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Post by Touchable on Dec 30, 2014 12:56:38 GMT -5
What's with the perception that the majority of these owners are football lifers who know the ins and outs of the game?
Woody is a rich dummy owner just like 95% of the owners in pro sports.
In the NFL, unless it's a Rooney or some shit, what team features an owner that has grown up around football his entire life and oversees a team that has been kept in the family for generations?
The majority of these guys are CEO's, businessmen, philanthropists, and just billionaires in general.
A good owner stays the fuck out of the way and hires highly respected football guys with strong scouting and personnel backgrounds to do all of the heavy lifting. And at least it appears that Woody has learned that.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 30, 2014 13:58:50 GMT -5
Technically it is tampering but I don't think the league is going to do anything. He got asked a question and answered it. He was just trying to be complimentary towards the player. Yeah, if this kind of speak goes to tampering, we've got issues. You can't expect everyone to talk in lawyer overtones to cover every sentence spoken. It's a little much. Tampering? He didn't invite Darrelle for a drink. Someone here must be either hyper-sensitive or has an agenda to think this. That all said, Woody needs to know he cannot discuss players to the public. It's not that hard. It's just out of bounds in today's lawyer-driven society. Rex was good at that when our idiotic NY media (redundant) repeatedly tried to trip him up on this. The NFL lives and breathes contracts. There's no "lawyer-driven society" driving the way the NFL policies protect these contracts. They have an independent, internal motivation to enforce rules that promote good faith dealings among the teams. There is no question here that Woody tampered. His statement clearly violated the rule but the pats aren't going to push for punishment now. They will wait until negotiations with Revis end one way or another. If Revis asks for too much money or does not end up resigning with NE then the pats can point to the impact of Woody's statements and the probability for a more severe punishment goes up considerably. If the pats come out seeking punishment now then the NFL is likely to treat it as a non-issue and at most issue a minor fine. Then if Revis does not resign there will be no way for the pats to seek a greater punishment on the Jets. It's better for the pats to keep this in their back pocket for now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 14:18:01 GMT -5
Fuck Florio....that guy has a raging hardon for anything that he can twist into a Jets controversy. He's is the classic shit stirrer. Another one of these media types who have no accountability about anything they say, until I start running around kicking people in the nuts.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 14:35:30 GMT -5
Yeah, if this kind of speak goes to tampering, we've got issues. You can't expect everyone to talk in lawyer overtones to cover every sentence spoken. It's a little much. Tampering? He didn't invite Darrelle for a drink. Someone here must be either hyper-sensitive or has an agenda to think this. That all said, Woody needs to know he cannot discuss players to the public. It's not that hard. It's just out of bounds in today's lawyer-driven society. Rex was good at that when our idiotic NY media (redundant) repeatedly tried to trip him up on this. The NFL lives and breathes contracts. There's no "lawyer-driven society" driving the way the NFL policies protect these contracts. They have an independent, internal motivation to enforce rules that promote good faith dealings among the teams. There is no question here that Woody tampered. His statement clearly violated the rule but the Pats* aren't going to push for punishment now. They will wait until negotiations with Revis end one way or another. If Revis asks for too much money or does not end up resigning with NE then the Pats* can point to the impact of Woody's statements and the probability for a more severe punishment goes up considerably. If the Pats* come out seeking punishment now then the NFL is likely to treat it as a non-issue and at most issue a minor fine. Then if Revis does not resign there will be no way for the Pats* to seek a greater punishment on the Jets. It's better for the Pats* to keep this in their back pocket for now. If this is so clear cut, the league wouldn't need permission to dole out punishment. I find it all a bit ridiculous knowing that a legal tampering season proceeds free agency. This tip-toe act is downright stupid. And the questions need to stop from the media trying to trip up coaches, GM's and owners alike. Keeping this in a back pocket isn't going to do anything. Tampering is legal for a certain time and the Pats can't dictate to the league that the Jets are now somehow ineligible to talk to him or sign him. That's nuts. You sound like a hopeful Pats fan to me. The residual effect to what you suggest would be teams instructing media to entrap opposing management in their interview questions to protect a player from playing for a that team based on a reply. That's not going to work.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 14:36:38 GMT -5
Fuck Florio....that guy has a raging hardon for anything that he can twist into a Jets controversy. He's is the classic shit stirrer. Another one of these media types who have no accountability about anything they say, until I start running around kicking people in the nuts. Florio's a hack and he doesn't play fair. Usually, he has an agenda. He's been a major disappointment from when he first started his site.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 30, 2014 14:45:26 GMT -5
The NFL lives and breathes contracts. There's no "lawyer-driven society" driving the way the NFL policies protect these contracts. They have an independent, internal motivation to enforce rules that promote good faith dealings among the teams. There is no question here that Woody tampered. His statement clearly violated the rule but the Pats** aren't going to push for punishment now. They will wait until negotiations with Revis end one way or another. If Revis asks for too much money or does not end up resigning with NE then the Pats** can point to the impact of Woody's statements and the probability for a more severe punishment goes up considerably. If the Pats** come out seeking punishment now then the NFL is likely to treat it as a non-issue and at most issue a minor fine. Then if Revis does not resign there will be no way for the Pats** to seek a greater punishment on the Jets. It's better for the Pats** to keep this in their back pocket for now. If this is so clear cut, the league wouldn't need permission to dole out punishment. I find it all a bit ridiculous knowing that a legal tampering season proceeds free agency. This tip-toe act is downright stupid. And the questions need to stop from the media trying to trip up coaches, GM's and owners alike. Keeping this in a back pocket isn't going to do anything. Tampering is legal for a certain time and the Pats* can't dictate to the league that the Jets are now somehow ineligible to talk to him or sign him. That's nuts. You sound like a hopeful Pats* fan to me. The residual effect to what you suggest would be teams instructing media to entrap opposing management in their interview questions to protect a player from playing for a that team based on a reply. That's not going to work.
The league doesn't need permission to penalize the Jets but there is going to be less motivation to do it without the Pats complaining about it. The Pats are unlikely to make a serious complaint until they can show how the tampering affected negotiations. What you wrote just sounds like you don't understand the anti-tampering rule.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 14:48:22 GMT -5
If this is so clear cut, the league wouldn't need permission to dole out punishment. I find it all a bit ridiculous knowing that a legal tampering season proceeds free agency. This tip-toe act is downright stupid. And the questions need to stop from the media trying to trip up coaches, GM's and owners alike. Keeping this in a back pocket isn't going to do anything. Tampering is legal for a certain time and the Pats** can't dictate to the league that the Jets are now somehow ineligible to talk to him or sign him. That's nuts. You sound like a hopeful Pats** fan to me. The residual effect to what you suggest would be teams instructing media to entrap opposing management in their interview questions to protect a player from playing for a that team based on a reply. That's not going to work.
The league doesn't need permission to penalize the Jets but there is going to be less motivation to do it without the Pats* complaining about it. The Pats* are unlikely to make a serious complaint until they can show how the tampering affected negotiations. What you wrote just sounds like you don't understand the anti-tampering rule. If you are claiming that the Pats must wait and somehow prove tampering effected negotiations, then you're the one missing the boat.
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Post by tbp on Dec 30, 2014 15:10:30 GMT -5
I'm ambivalent, possibly!
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 30, 2014 15:12:24 GMT -5
The possibility of a Revis return to the Jets went to practically 0% when Rex was fired in my opinion. We already know the relationship between Woody and the agents is tenuous at best. Other than having been drafted here I'm not aware of any other reason Revis would want to return to the Jets. What's the attraction now that Rex is gone?
That's a reason why the idea that this was serious tampering doesn't really pass the sniff test. If you want to tamper and try to influence a player you back-channel it, you don't announce it in a press conference. This will be a fine or slap on the wrist is my guess.
What was Jerry Jones' punishment for speaking directly with Adrian Peterson about coming to Dallas?
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Post by Hotman on Dec 30, 2014 15:22:16 GMT -5
agree completely JS... Revis would want to come here for REX not because he just can't get enough of the Jets organization...
He will go to wherever Rex is, and will be overpaid for doing so.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 30, 2014 15:22:25 GMT -5
The league doesn't need permission to penalize the Jets but there is going to be less motivation to do it without the Pats** complaining about it. The Pats** are unlikely to make a serious complaint until they can show how the tampering affected negotiations. What you wrote just sounds like you don't understand the anti-tampering rule. If you are claiming that the Pats* must wait and somehow prove tampering effected negotiations, then you're the one missing the boat.
I take back what I said. It's not that you don't understand the rule it's that you generally do not understand how to read.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 30, 2014 15:26:38 GMT -5
If you are claiming that the Pats*** must wait and somehow prove tampering effected negotiations, then you're the one missing the boat.
I take back what I said. It's not that you don't understand the rule it's that you generally do not understand how to read. That's nice.
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Post by Eternal Champion on Dec 30, 2014 16:48:28 GMT -5
The league doesn't need permission to penalize the Jets but there is going to be less motivation to do it without the Pats* complaining about it. The Pats* are unlikely to make a serious complaint until they can show how the tampering affected negotiations. A team could never prove that tampering is what affected negotiations unless the player or his agent were stupid enough to come out and say it. If Revis' agent is smart, he'll just ask the Pats for more than he otherwise would have (or refuse to renegotiate the second year of the deal entirely), knowing there's a second option if the team refuses. On the other hand, intent matters. In the legal system one needs mens rea (criminal intent) to be guilty of a crime, and while the NFL disciplinary process doesn't have that requirement, the league will obviously look at a slip of the tongue differently than an actual, intentional attempt to tamper.
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Post by jetssjumets on Dec 30, 2014 16:50:11 GMT -5
agree completely JS... Revis would want to come here for REX not because he just can't get enough of the Jets organization... He will go to wherever Rex is, and will be overpaid for doing so. Agree. Another reason why firing Rex was not a good idea imo. Woody's tampered with his comments. Jetstream makes an excellent point that the NFL selectively enforces the rule, if it enforces it at all (citing Jerry Jones' comments on AP as JS said). I will throw another wrinkle into the equation and show why the League cannot take action against the Jets because it will be inconsistent: the NFl demands that it's clubs make themselves available to the media for questions. That is not an option. Woody was responding to a question from the media. Yes, imo, he did tamper. However, he did so as he was complying with the NFL mandate regarding media access and participation. Therefore, if the NFL decides the Jets should be punished (again selective as it can be well establised that other franchises have tampered without being fined or losing draft picks), what will the NFL do regarding Belicheat not speaking to the media?
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Post by Eternal Champion on Dec 30, 2014 17:02:49 GMT -5
agree completely JS... Revis would want to come here for REX not because he just can't get enough of the Jets organization... He will go to wherever Rex is, and will be overpaid for doing so. Agree. Another reason why firing Rex was not a good idea imo. Woody's tampered with his comments. Jetstream makes an excellent point that the NFL selectively enforces the rule, if it enforces it at all (citing Jerry Jones' comments on AP as JS said). I will throw another wrinkle into the equation and show why the League cannot take action against the Jets because it will be inconsistent: the NFl demands that it's clubs make themselves available to the media for questions. That is not an option. Woody was responding to a question from the media. Yes, imo, he did tamper. However, he did so as he was complying with the NFL mandate regarding media access and participation. Therefore, if the NFL decides the Jets should be punished (again selective as it can be well establised that other franchises have tampered without being fined or losing draft picks), what will the NFL do regarding Belicheat not speaking to the media? I don't think teams being required to speak to the media means they have to answer every question that's asked of them. E.g., they can't criticize officiating even if they're asked.
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