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Post by maury77 on Nov 3, 2016 21:10:33 GMT -5
We are 1/2 way through the offseason, so why not. Mind you, this is not what I think the team will do, but instead what I would do.
Cuts:
Revis
Harris
Giacomini
Fitzpatrick
Jarvis Jenkins (I'd like to cut him in-season to see if we could recoup a comp pick for losing Snacks)
Erin Henderson
Austin Sefarian Jenkins
Restructure:
Decker
Gilchrist
James Carpenter
Trade:
Sheldon to Dallas for a second rounder and a 4th rounder
I was really close to cutting Brandon Marshall as well, but I think his leadership is going to be needed next year with so many senior guys getting cut. I also think that Mangold may retire, which would free up another 9 million in cap space.
available cap space: about 40 million
FA signings:
Mike Glennon (QB) - 5 million per year
AJ Bouye (CB currently on Houston) - 8.5 million per year
Melvin Ingram (OLB) - 10 million per year
Brandon Winters resign - 3.5 million per year
Ben Ijalana resign - 1.5 million per year
Jack Doyle (TE from Indianapolis) 3 million per year
Draft
Round 1 - Dalvin Cook RB from FSU (I think we finish 6 & 10, so we will pick high enough to get him)
Round 2 - Cordrea Tankersley CB from Clemson
Round 2 - Mason Cole C/OT from Michigan
Round 3 - Jeremy Sprinkle TE from Arkansas
Round 4 - Julie’n Davenport OT from Bucknell
Round 4 - Marcus Williams S from Utah
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Post by RobR on Nov 3, 2016 21:51:58 GMT -5
Not bad and I agree with most but here are my critiques. Don't cut ASJ....why would we do that? He'll be suspended but he is by far the most viable TE on our roster with limited cap hit. Don't restructure Gilchrist....why lock him into future dollars? He's one tier above Dawan Landry and that comparison speaks for itself. Don't sign Mike Glennon....why bother with players like this? No thanks to Melvin Ingram at 10 mil per with a coach that has no clue how to use an OLB in a 3-4. Ironic considering our GM has been drafting those positions. We'll get to the draft in due time.  |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 3, 2016 22:01:07 GMT -5
Not bad and I agree with most but here are my critiques. Don't cut ASJ....why would we do that? He'll be suspended but he is by far the most viable TE on our roster with limited cap hit. Don't restructure Gilchrist....why lock him into future dollars? He's one tier above Dawan Landry and that comparison speaks for itself. Don't sign Mike Glennon....why bother with players like this? No thanks to Melvin Ingram at 10 mil per with a coach that has no clue how to use an OLB in a 3-4. Ironic considering our GM has been drafting those positions. We'll get to the draft in due time. Thanks Rob Re ASJ, the guy is always hurt. He was hurt at Tampa and he has already missed most of his games here. I'd rather save the money to pay him and use it on a TE that actually suits up on Sundays. Re Gilchrist, I may be higher on him than most, but I think he is a competent starter on a decent salary. I think Pryor is a bigger problem than Gilchrist. Re Glennon (and the QB situation in general), I don't see the team going into next season without some veteran experience at QB. I can't imagine any of us wants Fitz back and Geno isn't coming back either. I'm not interested in pursuing Cutler or Romo, so where does that leave us? I guess we can swap out Glennon for Brian Hoyer or Case Keenum (who I think is a dark horse to be here next year as he was drafted by Houston when Macc was there). At least with Glennon there is a remote possibility that he has some upside. I think with Sheldon gone, Bowles will play more 3-4 looks without having to worry about getting his 3 DTs in the game at the same time. Bowles has played that alignment plenty in the past, I just think he's been trying to get cute because of the team's personnel. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 3, 2016 22:14:10 GMT -5
Not bad and I agree with most but here are my critiques. Don't cut ASJ....why would we do that? He'll be suspended but he is by far the most viable TE on our roster with limited cap hit. Don't restructure Gilchrist....why lock him into future dollars? He's one tier above Dawan Landry and that comparison speaks for itself. Don't sign Mike Glennon....why bother with players like this? No thanks to Melvin Ingram at 10 mil per with a coach that has no clue how to use an OLB in a 3-4. Ironic considering our GM has been drafting those positions. We'll get to the draft in due time. Thanks Rob Re ASJ, the guy is always hurt. He was hurt at Tampa and he has already missed most of his games here. I'd rather save the money to pay him and use it on a TE that actually suits up on Sundays. Re Gilchrist, I may be higher on him than most, but I think he is a competent starter on a decent salary. I think Pryor is a bigger problem than Gilchrist. Re Glennon (and the QB situation in general), I don't see the team going into next season without some veteran experience at QB. I can't imagine any of us wants Fitz back and Geno isn't coming back either. I'm not interested in pursuing Cutler or Romo, so where does that leave us? I guess we can swap out Glennon for Brian Hoyer or Case Keenum (who I think is a dark horse to be here next year as he was drafted by Houston when Macc was there). At least with Glennon there is a remote possibility that he has some upside. I think with Sheldon gone, Bowles will play more 3-4 looks without having to worry about getting his 3 DTs in the game at the same time. Bowles has played that alignment plenty in the past, I just think he's been trying to get cute because of the team's personnel. Good retort I could agree with you about ASJ but we literally have no one else....not even a warm body. I don't like Pryor but I left him off the list because he's not going anywhere. There is a good chance Gilchrist is gone and we'll never miss him. He's the QB of one of the worst pass defenses in the league and never makes impact plays, or should I say rarely. When it comes to the QB position lets see what Mac is made of. He moved up into the fourth for Petty and drafted Hack pretty high. Time to sink or swim for this GM, so why shouldn't the QB he has chosen high be put into action? They're not rookies. FTR I don't believe this will happen, but it's what I would do. I agree about Sheldon, it's just a shame this coach can't integrate these players into his system after two year of drafting. |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 4, 2016 5:43:00 GMT -5
Thanks Rob Re ASJ, the guy is always hurt. He was hurt at Tampa and he has already missed most of his games here. I'd rather save the money to pay him and use it on a TE that actually suits up on Sundays. Re Gilchrist, I may be higher on him than most, but I think he is a competent starter on a decent salary. I think Pryor is a bigger problem than Gilchrist. Re Glennon (and the QB situation in general), I don't see the team going into next season without some veteran experience at QB. I can't imagine any of us wants Fitz back and Geno isn't coming back either. I'm not interested in pursuing Cutler or Romo, so where does that leave us? I guess we can swap out Glennon for Brian Hoyer or Case Keenum (who I think is a dark horse to be here next year as he was drafted by Houston when Macc was there). At least with Glennon there is a remote possibility that he has some upside. I think with Sheldon gone, Bowles will play more 3-4 looks without having to worry about getting his 3 DTs in the game at the same time. Bowles has played that alignment plenty in the past, I just think he's been trying to get cute because of the team's personnel. Good retort I could agree with you about ASJ but we literally have no one else....not even a warm body. I don't like Pryor but I left him off the list because he's not going anywhere. There is a good chance Gilchrist is gone and we'll never miss him. He's the QB of one of the worst pass defenses in the league and never makes impact plays, or should I say rarely. When it comes to the QB position lets see what Mac is made of. He moved up into the fourth for Petty and drafted Hack pretty high. Time to sink or swim for this GM, so why shouldn't the QB he has chosen high be put into action? They're not rookies. FTR I don't believe this will happen, but it's what I would do. I agree about Sheldon, it's just a shame this coach can't integrate these players into his system after two year of drafting. Re QB, would you be willing to just roll with Petty & Hack next year, let the best man win and then sit through a 2-4 win season while our young QB experiences growing pains? I'd be fine with it as long as the QB showed growth throughout the season, but I suspect I'm in the minority. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Nov 4, 2016 7:53:58 GMT -5
If Winston's knee keeps him out for an extended period of time, Glennon will have the opportunity to make himself a lot of money. If he plays well you can pretty much double that $5 million per year estimate.
I agree with RobR that next year is all about Petty and Hack, one becomes the starter the other the back up, bring in some vet that has no viable chance to be a starter to be a third body in camp.
As far as the rest of the roster goes.... this is a rebuild, get younger, acquire draft picks and bring in a bunch of mid level vets on short money. There is no quick fix for any of this UNTIL YOU HAVE A LEGIT QB. If one of these QBs shows promise in 2017, then in 2018 you can go spend a few dollars and build a roster with a 3-4 year window to win a championship. Until then I do nothing to hamstring myself in the next couple years.
NO 30 year old RBs, NO 33 year old WRs, NO CBs making $17M per year. The problem is that this owner does not have the patience to actually rebuild this team properly.
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Post by RobR on Nov 4, 2016 9:35:45 GMT -5
Good retort I could agree with you about ASJ but we literally have no one else....not even a warm body. I don't like Pryor but I left him off the list because he's not going anywhere. There is a good chance Gilchrist is gone and we'll never miss him. He's the QB of one of the worst pass defenses in the league and never makes impact plays, or should I say rarely. When it comes to the QB position lets see what Mac is made of. He moved up into the fourth for Petty and drafted Hack pretty high. Time to sink or swim for this GM, so why shouldn't the QB he has chosen high be put into action? They're not rookies. FTR I don't believe this will happen, but it's what I would do. I agree about Sheldon, it's just a shame this coach can't integrate these players into his system after two year of drafting. Re QB, would you be willing to just roll with Petty & Hack next year, let the best man win and then sit through a 2-4 win season while our young QB experiences growing pains? I'd be fine with it as long as the QB showed growth throughout the season, but I suspect I'm in the minority. Not only would I be fine with it I'd encourage it. Petty will be in his third year and Hack will be a second round pick in his second year. The ole saying "shit or get off the pot" applies here. |
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Post by Touchable on Nov 4, 2016 10:24:37 GMT -5
Good retort I could agree with you about ASJ but we literally have no one else....not even a warm body. I don't like Pryor but I left him off the list because he's not going anywhere. There is a good chance Gilchrist is gone and we'll never miss him. He's the QB of one of the worst pass defenses in the league and never makes impact plays, or should I say rarely. When it comes to the QB position lets see what Mac is made of. He moved up into the fourth for Petty and drafted Hack pretty high. Time to sink or swim for this GM, so why shouldn't the QB he has chosen high be put into action? They're not rookies. FTR I don't believe this will happen, but it's what I would do. I agree about Sheldon, it's just a shame this coach can't integrate these players into his system after two year of drafting. Re QB, would you be willing to just roll with Petty & Hack next year, let the best man win and then sit through a 2-4 win season while our young QB experiences growing pains? I'd be fine with it as long as the QB showed growth throughout the season, but I suspect I'm in the minority. I would Worst comes to worst, we go 2-14, neither Hack or Petty look to be the answer, and we're at the head of the Josh Rosen sweepstakes. |
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Post by Lithfan on Nov 4, 2016 13:24:16 GMT -5
As far as the rest of the roster goes.... this is a rebuild, get younger, acquire draft picks and bring in a bunch of mid level vets on short money. There is no quick fix for any of this UNTIL YOU HAVE A LEGIT QB. If one of these QBs shows promise in 2017, then in 2018 you can go spend a few dollars and build a roster with a 3-4 year window to win a championship. Until then I do nothing to hamstring myself in the next couple years. NO 30 year old RBs, NO 33 year old WRs, NO CBs making $17M per year. The problem is that this owner does not have the patience to actually rebuild this team properly.This is what concerns me most about this team. Woody does not seem to be willing to commit to a true long term rebuild that includes a roster overhaul. Instead, we sign veterans for top dollar and trade mid round picks for aging veterans, also at top dollar. If we are lucky, we win 9 or 10 games & sneak into the playoffs as a wild card. Then as the older vets skills erode, we fall off a cliff, with no cap space and only 5 or 6 draft picks per year. Macc's last offseason concerns me as well. With Ivory, Davis and Snacks leaving, we could easily have accumulated at least 2 comp picks. I have no problem with the McLendon signing since we needed to replace Snacks, but we also sign Forte (there goes one pick) and Jarvis Jenkins (there goes another pick -- in exchange for his 6 snaps per game). As of now, we only have 6 picks this season. We gotta find more picks and rebuild through the draft. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 4, 2016 17:53:16 GMT -5
I always enjoy a good Maury off season mock...
YES to;
--cutting those players (sauf below)
--your draft for most part. Cook? Sign me up yesterday. Sprinkle? *shpritza* Like the secondary players
--restructuring Decker & cutting Gilchrist
NO to;
--Cutting ASJ... With so little at the position, there's just reason to cut him. And frankly, I want to see him on the field after a full offseason with the team. from mini camps to training camps.
--Signing Glennon... I agree we'll need a veteran in camp to go with Petty/Hack, but Glennon is going to want to compete for a starting position. Keenum is more likely/fitting.
meh... the FAs... ingram's always hurt. AJ Bouye would be nice but he's looked really good at times this year. I wonder if he won't command more money.
Tweaks --> more money spend on the Oline, more picks on playmakers.
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Post by RobR on Nov 4, 2016 19:28:38 GMT -5
Tweaks --> more money spend on the Oline You feeling Ok? |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 5, 2016 16:20:32 GMT -5
I always enjoy a good Maury off season mock... YES to; --cutting those players (sauf below) --your draft for most part. Cook? Sign me up yesterday. Sprinkle? *shpritza* Like the secondary players --restructuring Decker & cutting Gilchrist NO to; --Cutting ASJ... With so little at the position, there's just reason to cut him. And frankly, I want to see him on the field after a full offseason with the team. from mini camps to training camps. --Signing Glennon... I agree we'll need a veteran in camp to go with Petty/Hack, but Glennon is going to want to compete for a starting position. Keenum is more likely/fitting. meh... the FAs... ingram's always hurt. AJ Bouye would be nice but he's looked really good at times this year. I wonder if he won't command more money. Tweaks --> more money spend on the Oline, more picks on playmakers. I knew you would hate cutting ASJ Truth be told, I'd love to upgrade the OL, but this just isn't a great tackle class in FA or the draft. I think the middle of the OL is very solid with Mangold, Carpenter and Winters getting re-signed, its on the edges that we need help. Clady has been underwhelming on the whole, but his performance has been trending up the last couple of games, so maybe he is finally rounding into form after shaking off some injury rust. |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 5, 2016 16:22:25 GMT -5
If Winston's knee keeps him out for an extended period of time, Glennon will have the opportunity to make himself a lot of money. If he plays well you can pretty much double that $5 million per year estimate. I agree with RobR that next year is all about Petty and Hack, one becomes the starter the other the back up, bring in some vet that has no viable chance to be a starter to be a third body in camp. As far as the rest of the roster goes.... this is a rebuild, get younger, acquire draft picks and bring in a bunch of mid level vets on short money. There is no quick fix for any of this UNTIL YOU HAVE A LEGIT QB. If one of these QBs shows promise in 2017, then in 2018 you can go spend a few dollars and build a roster with a 3-4 year window to win a championship. Until then I do nothing to hamstring myself in the next couple years. NO 30 year old RBs, NO 33 year old WRs, NO CBs making $17M per year. The problem is that this owner does not have the patience to actually rebuild this team properly. He certainly wasn't very patient with Idzik when he went into the 2014 season with 20 million in cap space. To be honest, I think Idzik may have survived 2014 if his draft had not been so dreadful. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 5, 2016 16:22:56 GMT -5
Round 3 - Jeremy Sprinkle TE from Arkansas That would be nice. I'm watching him today and he's so smooth with great hands and size. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 5, 2016 19:13:36 GMT -5
Tweaks --> more money spend on the Oline You feeling Ok? I know you sit on the other end of this spectrum. I personally just believe it's easier to buy an oline, than it is to buy a playmaker. A significant number of the best centers, tackles and guards move around throughout their career. AJ Green, Dez, AP, Manning, etc... they'll never play for more than 1 team while they're worth their salt. It's just as simple as that to me. |
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