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Post by Paradis on Nov 5, 2016 19:14:26 GMT -5
Round 3 - Jeremy Sprinkle TE from Arkansas That would be nice. I'm watching him today and he's so smooth with great hands and size. He's got the highest ceiling of this vaunted TE class. I wouldn't bat an eye if he ended as the first one off the board in rnd 1. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 5, 2016 20:20:06 GMT -5
I know you sit on the other end of this spectrum. I personally just believe it's easier to buy an oline, than it is to buy a playmaker. A significant number of the best centers, tackles and guards move around throughout their career. AJ Green, Dez, AP, Manning, etc... they'll never play for more than 1 team while they're worth their salt. It's just as simple as that to me. When is the last time you've seen a top tier LT on the free agent market? Look at what Dallas is doing by investing high picks in the Oline.....hell we've had our most success as a team in the last three decades when we drafted two of them in the first round. Brick never left and I can't see Mangold playing more than one season on another team before he hangs it up. You know I'm ALWAYS banging the drum for playmakers, but we've neglected the offense forever and now we need to fortify just about every position. Nothing wrong with starting with the big fatties up front unless we're in a position to get a QB. You can draft the best RB in the world, put him behind a shit line and he's going to suck. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 5, 2016 20:37:45 GMT -5
I know you sit on the other end of this spectrum. I personally just believe it's easier to buy an oline, than it is to buy a playmaker. A significant number of the best centers, tackles and guards move around throughout their career. AJ Green, Dez, AP, Manning, etc... they'll never play for more than 1 team while they're worth their salt. It's just as simple as that to me. When is the last time you've seen a top tier LT on the free agent market? Look at what Dallas is doing by investing high picks in the Oline.....hell we've had our most success as a team in the last three decades when we drafted two of them in the first round. Brick never left and I can't see Mangold playing more than one season on another team before he hangs it up. You know I'm ALWAYS banging the drum for playmakers, but we've neglected the offense forever and now we need to fortify just about every position. Nothing wrong with starting with the big fatties up front unless we're in a position to get a QB. You can draft the best RB in the world, put him behind a shit line and he's going to suck. Can't argue with anything you said there -- but until we've got our Green, Carr, Gronk & Peterson -- drafting Oline just isn't a priority to me. The former will never hit the market. The latter does. It's definitely in our best interest to get these guys in the draft, over FA market, but if you're ranking needs -- I'm going with the studs that never get out of their respective cities. If we can get a QB, WR and TE even, then we're free to draft a ranch worth of tackles and guards. Alex Mack, R. Okung, Beachum, Clady, those guys in TB and OAK (names elude me) have moved around within the last year or so. They've all proven to be worthy startable tackles and centers. Some better than others, but compared to the fact that we had to overpay the #3 WR from DEN says everything about that markets like. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 5, 2016 21:03:59 GMT -5
When is the last time you've seen a top tier LT on the free agent market? Look at what Dallas is doing by investing high picks in the Oline.....hell we've had our most success as a team in the last three decades when we drafted two of them in the first round. Brick never left and I can't see Mangold playing more than one season on another team before he hangs it up. You know I'm ALWAYS banging the drum for playmakers, but we've neglected the offense forever and now we need to fortify just about every position. Nothing wrong with starting with the big fatties up front unless we're in a position to get a QB. You can draft the best RB in the world, put him behind a shit line and he's going to suck. Can't argue with anything you said there -- but until we've got our Green, Carr, Gronk & Peterson -- drafting Oline just isn't a priority to me. The former will never hit the market. The latter does. It's definitely in our best interest to get these guys in the draft, over FA market, but if you're ranking needs -- I'm going with the studs that never get out of their respective cities. If we can get a QB, WR and TE even, then we're free to draft a ranch worth of tackles and guards. Alex Mack, R. Okung, Beachum, Clady, those guys in TB and OAK (names elude me) have moved around within the last year or so. They've all proven to be worthy startable tackles and centers. Some better than others, but compared to the fact that we had to overpay the #3 WR from DEN says everything about that markets like. I'd rather build the line first and then fill in the rest of the team, only exception being a QB. The problem going forward with our Offense is we've been drafting a ton of Olineman late and the only one that panned out was Winters and he was a third. All of the lineman you listed are nothing more than meh. Just watch Clady every week and you can see why we absorbed his contract for peanuts. I agree that you can get good guards for a low cap number, maybe even a center. When it comes to premier Tackles they almost never leave except for injury or age. Joe Thomas is still in Cleveland, Brick played his entire career here, Tyron Smith aint going anywhere. RB's, WR's, and TE's are no different when it comes to free agency or trade regarding age and injury. We got Marshall for a fifth, a broken down Forte for cheap in FA, and a starting Tackle from the Superbowl winning Seahawks in Breno. |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 5, 2016 21:40:21 GMT -5
Can't argue with anything you said there -- but until we've got our Green, Carr, Gronk & Peterson -- drafting Oline just isn't a priority to me. The former will never hit the market. The latter does. It's definitely in our best interest to get these guys in the draft, over FA market, but if you're ranking needs -- I'm going with the studs that never get out of their respective cities. If we can get a QB, WR and TE even, then we're free to draft a ranch worth of tackles and guards. Alex Mack, R. Okung, Beachum, Clady, those guys in TB and OAK (names elude me) have moved around within the last year or so. They've all proven to be worthy startable tackles and centers. Some better than others, but compared to the fact that we had to overpay the #3 WR from DEN says everything about that markets like. I'd rather build the line first and then fill in the rest of the team, only exception being a QB. The problem going forward with our Offense is we've been drafting a ton of Olineman late and the only one that panned out was Winters and he was a third. All of the lineman you listed are nothing more than meh. Just watch Clady every week and you can see why we absorbed his contract for peanuts. I agree that you can get good guards for a low cap number, maybe even a center. When it comes to premier Tackles they almost never leave except for injury or age. Joe Thomas is still in Cleveland, Brick played his entire career here, Tyron Smith aint going anywhere. RB's, WR's, and TE's are no different when it comes to free agency or trade regarding age and injury. We got Marshall for a fifth, a broken down Forte for cheap in FA, and a starting Tackle from the Superbowl winning Seahawks in Breno. I think you also have to account for what's available on the market. For example, while I would love to grab Dalvin Cook if I'm picking in the teens, I wonder if the team would not be better off picking Cam Robinson. Robinson may be the only blue chip tackle in the draft (it appears the Notre Dame kid is returning for his senior year), while it is generally considered to be a loaded RB class. |
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Post by RobR on Nov 5, 2016 22:25:58 GMT -5
I'd rather build the line first and then fill in the rest of the team, only exception being a QB. The problem going forward with our Offense is we've been drafting a ton of Olineman late and the only one that panned out was Winters and he was a third. All of the lineman you listed are nothing more than meh. Just watch Clady every week and you can see why we absorbed his contract for peanuts. I agree that you can get good guards for a low cap number, maybe even a center. When it comes to premier Tackles they almost never leave except for injury or age. Joe Thomas is still in Cleveland, Brick played his entire career here, Tyron Smith aint going anywhere. RB's, WR's, and TE's are no different when it comes to free agency or trade regarding age and injury. We got Marshall for a fifth, a broken down Forte for cheap in FA, and a starting Tackle from the Superbowl winning Seahawks in Breno. I think you also have to account for what's available on the market. For example, while I would love to grab Dalvin Cook if I'm picking in the teens, I wonder if the team would not be better off picking Cam Robinson. Robinson may be the only blue chip tackle in the draft (it appears the Notre Dame kid is returning for his senior year), while it is generally considered to be a loaded RB class. It's all relative and fluid.....that I think we can agree on. I'm not taking an OT just for the sake of it in the first but we have too start addressing it and making it a priority. Just look at Fournette tonight against the Bama Defense and look at Elliot. Zeke has to be up there among the league leaders in rushing and has one of the worst (yards after contact) in the league. Prescott is thriving and it's all because they fortified that line and hit on their picks. We're rebuilding whether we like it or not, why not start in the trenches? Some Olineman always move up the board later in the season...it's a given because good ones are so valuable. |
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Post by Paradis on Nov 6, 2016 1:34:19 GMT -5
Can't argue with anything you said there -- but until we've got our Green, Carr, Gronk & Peterson -- drafting Oline just isn't a priority to me. The former will never hit the market. The latter does. It's definitely in our best interest to get these guys in the draft, over FA market, but if you're ranking needs -- I'm going with the studs that never get out of their respective cities. If we can get a QB, WR and TE even, then we're free to draft a ranch worth of tackles and guards. Alex Mack, R. Okung, Beachum, Clady, those guys in TB and OAK (names elude me) have moved around within the last year or so. They've all proven to be worthy startable tackles and centers. Some better than others, but compared to the fact that we had to overpay the #3 WR from DEN says everything about that markets like. I'd rather build the line first and then fill in the rest of the team, only exception being a QB. The problem going forward with our Offense is we've been drafting a ton of Olineman late and the only one that panned out was Winters and he was a third. All of the lineman you listed are nothing more than meh. Just watch Clady every week and you can see why we absorbed his contract for peanuts. I agree that you can get good guards for a low cap number, maybe even a center. When it comes to premier Tackles they almost never leave except for injury or age. Joe Thomas is still in Cleveland, Brick played his entire career here, Tyron Smith aint going anywhere. RB's, WR's, and TE's are no different when it comes to free agency or trade regarding age and injury. We got Marshall for a fifth, a broken down Forte for cheap in FA, and a starting Tackle from the Superbowl winning Seahawks in Breno. I hear you, and it's tough to mount a proper rebuttle... but I still like addressing the Oline in FA is more doable at times than trying to staff the rest of the offense. Really good LTs don't get away too often, you're right on that account. |
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Post by maury77 on Nov 6, 2016 7:48:25 GMT -5
I think you also have to account for what's available on the market. For example, while I would love to grab Dalvin Cook if I'm picking in the teens, I wonder if the team would not be better off picking Cam Robinson. Robinson may be the only blue chip tackle in the draft (it appears the Notre Dame kid is returning for his senior year), while it is generally considered to be a loaded RB class. It's all relative and fluid.....that I think we can agree on. I'm not taking an OT just for the sake of it in the first but we have too start addressing it and making it a priority. Just look at Fournette tonight against the Bama Defense and look at Elliot. Zeke has to be up there among the league leaders in rushing and has one of the worst (yards after contact) in the league. Prescott is thriving and it's all because they fortified that line and hit on their picks. We're rebuilding whether we like it or not, why not start in the trenches? Some Olineman always move up the board later in the season...it's a given because good ones are so valuable. What do you think about Cam Robinson? Do you like any of the other OTs in the draft? |
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Post by RobR on Nov 6, 2016 9:30:18 GMT -5
It's all relative and fluid.....that I think we can agree on. I'm not taking an OT just for the sake of it in the first but we have too start addressing it and making it a priority. Just look at Fournette tonight against the Bama Defense and look at Elliot. Zeke has to be up there among the league leaders in rushing and has one of the worst (yards after contact) in the league. Prescott is thriving and it's all because they fortified that line and hit on their picks. We're rebuilding whether we like it or not, why not start in the trenches? Some Olineman always move up the board later in the season...it's a given because good ones are so valuable. What do you think about Cam Robinson? Do you like any of the other OTs in the draft? I honestly don't know yet. I always do player evaluations after the season is over and really start ramping up senior bowl week. During the season I just watch and enjoy the games instead of focusing in on one player all game. Re: Robinson. Dude is lucky he's not in jail now and how he is allowed to play for Bama, I have no idea......well maybe an idea  |
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