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Post by BEAC0NJET on Nov 14, 2016 16:53:34 GMT -5
Pence wants to send gay people to conversion camp and he's ridiculously Christian. Not my cup of tea. He's also let the biggest HIV outbreak in US history happen on his watch (in Indiana). Fully preventable, too. Never heard about his being into gay conversion therapy, but to call him ridiculously Christian? The country is Christian. The dems are about to elect a muslim as the leader of the DNC. Just sayin'. The gay conversion therapy stuff is a little out there. I agree to a point, in that 80+% of the country identifies as Christian or something like that, but at the same time, our founding fathers emphasized separation of church and state for a reason, and I think what JT is calling ridiculously Christian is around imposing ones beliefs on others in an over the top way politically and through legislation. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Nov 14, 2016 16:59:02 GMT -5
Pence wants to send gay people to conversion camp and he's ridiculously Christian. Not my cup of tea. He's also let the biggest HIV outbreak in US history happen on his watch (in Indiana). Fully preventable, too. Do you believe we are morally obligated to provide addicts with needles? Morally no. From a practical standpoint, maybe. I see the pros and cons. Heroin addiction is a shit show. I dont know anyone personally but know many people whose friends and families have been impacted. The rate of backsliding and using again after rehab must be ridiculously high, as Ive heard of virtually no one who has kicked it. There's no easy answer. Do we decriminalize marijuana and free folks in prison, and use those funds to pay for needles to at least stop the spread of other diseases? Maybe. At least to limit the collateral damage. |
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Post by Jets Things on Nov 14, 2016 17:10:29 GMT -5
Never heard about his being into gay conversion therapy, but to call him ridiculously Christian? The country is Christian. The dems are about to elect a muslim as the leader of the DNC. Just sayin'. The gay conversion therapy stuff is a little out there. I agree to a point, in that 80+% of the country identifies as Christian or something like that, but at the same time, our founding fathers emphasized separation of church and state for a reason, and I think what JT is calling ridiculously Christian is around imposing ones beliefs on others in an over the top way politically and through legislation.This. And anyone who subscribes to Young Earth creationism shouldn't be allowed to run for public office. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Nov 14, 2016 17:10:50 GMT -5
Are we also going to supply product at these clinics? Because thats all thats left to do for these people. Maybe a nice bed for them to tweak out on. Personally, I dont want them in jail either. Especially if they are only hurting themselves. But I also think rehab is a joke for heroin. And I dont want to publicly fund that either. I only know one person who ever got off heroin and he didnt go to rehab. He was basically held prisoner in his house for about a year. I know three that have died and they all went to rehab. And thats because they had access to the drugs. Give a junkie an opportunity to use and they will use. Only real way to get people off these hard drugs is to prevent them from getting them. Stopping it right at the border and the ports. And that is a pipe dream too. There definitely is no easy answer. I agree with releasing all nonviolent offenders. It is just a waste of money. On the surface I agree with legalizing everything because like Things says it should be their choice of what to put in their bodies. That being said there is the point DD makes of why should we pay for that. I think it has to be the better of 2 evils and we will never know that without trying something different because EVERY choice has unintended consequences. The 2nd point could also be the slippery slope to soda taxes among other things because why should we pay for diabetics and fatties. No easy answers. And chips, and ice cream. And beer and other alcohol, cause why should I pay for someones liver transplant? Very slippery slope. |
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Post by BEAC0NJET on Nov 14, 2016 17:11:40 GMT -5
The gay conversion therapy stuff is a little out there. I agree to a point, in that 80+% of the country identifies as Christian or something like that, but at the same time, our founding fathers emphasized separation of church and state for a reason, and I think what JT is calling ridiculously Christian is around imposing ones beliefs on others in an over the top way politically and through legislation.This. And anyone who subscribes to Young Earth creationism shouldn't be allowed to run for public office. Its a pretty good litmus test. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Nov 14, 2016 17:46:08 GMT -5
Who doesn't like camp amirite? Oh, and outlaw Narcan. That will help lower the junkie population quickly.
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Post by flushingjet on Nov 14, 2016 18:44:46 GMT -5
Never heard about his being into gay conversion therapy, but to call him ridiculously Christian? The country is Christian. The dems are about to elect a muslim as the leader of the DNC. Just sayin'. The gay conversion therapy stuff is a little out there. I agree to a point, in that 80+% of the country identifies as Christian or something like that, but at the same time, our founding fathers emphasized separation of church and state for a reason, and I think what JT is calling ridiculously Christian is around imposing ones beliefs on others in an over the top way politically and through legislation. Again what the founding fathers emphasized was freedom of religion not freedom from religion. They did not want a state religion The king of England was also the nominal head of the C of E. |
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Nov 14, 2016 20:22:20 GMT -5
Is it me or are all the republicans that had been against Trump (i.e. McConnell, Ryan, etc) now acting like pig vomit after Howard sterns high ratings came came in the movie private parts? So similar. |
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Post by chadp on Nov 14, 2016 22:44:02 GMT -5
and yet you have no problem with all the shit the Clinton crime family has done? you're a hypocritical sheep You have no idea what I do or do not have a problem with - so have a cold one and troll on.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 0:20:49 GMT -5
Pence wants to send gay people to conversion camp and he's ridiculously Christian. Not my cup of tea. He's also let the biggest HIV outbreak in US history happen on his watch (in Indiana). Fully preventable, too. Do you believe we are morally obligated to provide addicts with needles? Morally obligated to prevent the spread of disease. Add in the Hippocratic Oath...a truckfull of needles is nine bucks; it's elementary. Naivete and knee-jerk righteous anger will get you nowhere in life, son |
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Post by Hotman on Nov 15, 2016 1:15:58 GMT -5
What's wrong with pence? He seems like a good guy and he helped bring a sense of stability, maturity, honesty, humility and seriousness to his campaign. He helped trump win. I like him. As do millions of Americans. Pence wants to send gay people to conversion camp and he's ridiculously Christian. Not my cup of tea. He's also let the biggest HIV outbreak in US history happen on his watch (in Indiana). Fully preventable, too. Also the ABSOLUTE WORST STATE re cannabis or anything in general. They are against personal liberties especially if Big Pharma says no bueno. Terrible police state. Which has always been my biggest worry about Trump. But also Hitlery. Can't fucking win. Just let ppl fuckin live and let live. Fuck. |
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Post by Hotman on Nov 15, 2016 1:24:59 GMT -5
But I also think rehab is a joke for heroin. And I dont want to publicly fund that either. I only know one person who ever got off heroin and he didnt go to rehab. He was basically held prisoner in his house for about a year. I know three that have died and they all went to rehab. And thats because they had access to the drugs. Give a junkie an opportunity to use and they will use. Only real way to get people off these hard drugs is to prevent them from getting them. Stopping it right at the border and the ports. And that is a pipe dream too. You take a hard line stance against "drugs" and you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to this. Not busting balls, but just saying, it;s true. You think rehab is a joke?! WTF?? Because you don;t know of personal antidotes? I know a LOT of ppl who were saved by rehab. People who got hooked by the big pharma Rx industry you love so much after being injured and unable to move... Well guess what? There is a plant called Kratom that has helped countless people kick heroin and other Rx pill form heroin. It works. And your precious DEA wants to ban it because shooting fish in a barrel and easy targets are their bread and butter. Are you against Kratom??? The DEA is.. Big Pharma is... And Big Pharma just patented the alkaloids in Kratom because it works the same opioid receptors in the brain that their legal heroin does... but without the added shit and highly addictive properties and minus the breath suppression. Can't be having natural herbs heal people of countless ailments.. That's like a handout!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 1:41:14 GMT -5
HuffPost. whateva
[W]ith Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, an evangelical with a record of legislating against abortion and same-sex marriage, as vice president, Christian leaders say they feel reassured they will have access to the White House and a seat at the table. “I am confident he will do as president what he said he would do as a candidate,” said Ralph Reed, chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, who helped mobilize Christian voters for Mr. Trump.
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Post by Hotman on Nov 15, 2016 1:51:19 GMT -5
My biggest fear was that scumbag Christie. Admit I know very little about Pence but he comes from a TERRIBLE state of affairs, against civil liberties and was pushed onto an unsuspecting Trump and that worries me just a little.
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Post by DDNYjets on Nov 15, 2016 7:26:53 GMT -5
But I also think rehab is a joke for heroin. And I dont want to publicly fund that either. I only know one person who ever got off heroin and he didnt go to rehab. He was basically held prisoner in his house for about a year. I know three that have died and they all went to rehab. And thats because they had access to the drugs. Give a junkie an opportunity to use and they will use. Only real way to get people off these hard drugs is to prevent them from getting them. Stopping it right at the border and the ports. And that is a pipe dream too. You take a hard line stance against "drugs" and you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to this. Not busting balls, but just saying, it;s true. You think rehab is a joke?! WTF?? Because you don;t know of personal antidotes? I know a LOT of ppl who were saved by rehab. People who got hooked by the big pharma Rx industry you love so much after being injured and unable to move... Well guess what? There is a plant called Kratom that has helped countless people kick heroin and other Rx pill form heroin. It works. And your precious DEA wants to ban it because shooting fish in a barrel and easy targets are their bread and butter. Are you against Kratom??? The DEA is.. Big Pharma is... And Big Pharma just patented the alkaloids in Kratom because it works the same opioid receptors in the brain that their legal heroin does... but without the added shit and highly addictive properties and minus the breath suppression. Can't be having natural herbs heal people of countless ailments.. That's like a handout!!! Im talking about heroin. I am aware of Kratom but like everything else we need to study it. And I am not anti-rehab, I just dont want to pay for your rehab. And believe me I know there are plenty of prescription drugs that are worse than stuff that grows from the dirt. I am pro-medical marijuana. I would rather see more data before we started legalizing it everywhere for recreation but that data will come now anyway. |
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