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Post by Big L on Dec 1, 2016 20:01:05 GMT -5
Libs trying to pooh pooh it. But here is some context. twitter is your sauces? $7m is now not going to the state of Indiana. Either they make it up by raising taxes, or cutting services. Unless Indiana had a surplus in their budget. There is cost to the taxpayer, no real way around it. Either way, I'm happy for the 800 or 1100 who still have jobs here.
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Post by Trades on Dec 1, 2016 20:20:43 GMT -5
Libs trying to pooh pooh it. But here is some context. twitter is your sauces? $7m is now not going to the state of Indiana. Either they make it up by raising taxes, or cutting services. Unless Indiana had a surplus in their budget. There is cost to the taxpayer, no real way around it. Either way, I'm happy for the 800 or 1100 who still have jobs here. Use some logic, how much in taxes was Indiana getting if carrier left? It is win/win. They are keeping jobs and promised to spend more money. How much were the unemployed people going to pay in?
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 1, 2016 20:22:52 GMT -5
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Post by Big L on Dec 1, 2016 20:23:32 GMT -5
twitter is your sauces? $7m is now not going to the state of Indiana. Either they make it up by raising taxes, or cutting services. Unless Indiana had a surplus in their budget. There is cost to the taxpayer, no real way around it. Either way, I'm happy for the 800 or 1100 who still have jobs here. Use some logic, how much in taxes was Indiana getting if carrier left? It is win/win. They are keeping jobs and promised to spend more money. How much were the unemployed people going to pay in? agreed.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 1, 2016 20:23:49 GMT -5
twitter is your sauces? $7m is now not going to the state of Indiana. Either they make it up by raising taxes, or cutting services. Unless Indiana had a surplus in their budget. There is cost to the taxpayer, no real way around it. Either way, I'm happy for the 800 or 1100 who still have jobs here. Use some logic, how much in taxes was Indiana getting if carrier left? It is win/win. They are keeping jobs and promised to spend more money. How much were the unemployed people going to pay in? How much does the unemployment cost the state? Then after unemployment how much is the welfare, medicaid, food stamps, etc that some of those people are going to be on if they dont find jobs? Unemployment is 6 months, the other could be in perpetuity.
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Post by Big L on Dec 1, 2016 20:24:43 GMT -5
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 1, 2016 21:50:59 GMT -5
The deal with United Technologies includes $7 million in incentives provided by Indiana. This means everyone in Indiana just paid $1 so that 800 people could keep their jobs.
Robert Shapiro had this to say during “Power Lunch” and it is spot on with what is wrong with this deal
"We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro.
"It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added.
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Post by Trades on Dec 1, 2016 21:55:51 GMT -5
The deal with United Technologies includes $7 million in incentives provided by Indiana. This means everyone in Indiana just paid $1 so that 800 people could keep their jobs. Robert Shapiro had this to say during “Power Lunch” and it is spot on with what is wrong with this deal "We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro. "It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added. Only if you don't understand what a tax break is. They were LOSING the money anyway. Carrier was leaving.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 1, 2016 22:15:18 GMT -5
Sounds like soshulism and crony capitalism
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Post by Hotman on Dec 2, 2016 4:02:13 GMT -5
You guys will like this. Short vid, 3 min, credit where due... Almost wanted to make a thread just for this, but it's relevant here... TYT. The commies... See what they say about this. They can't help but come around to the Donald... I enjoy how they call out the bullshit DNC and Hc on a regular basis. And some of these guys SKEWER Obama justifiably like the fraud he is. Particularly like the closing line "and Democrats, as usual, you oughta be embarrassed!" Love it.
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 2, 2016 21:23:23 GMT -5
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 2, 2016 21:28:22 GMT -5
How quickly we forget how much Solyndra cost the taxpayers. Even Obama's hand-picked winners ended up being losers.
$535 million was the tab for that one.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 4:25:23 GMT -5
The deal with United Technologies includes $7 million in incentives provided by Indiana. This means everyone in Indiana just paid $1 so that 800 people could keep their jobs. Robert Shapiro had this to say during “Power Lunch” and it is spot on with what is wrong with this deal "We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro. "It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added. Only if you don't understand what a tax break is. They were LOSING the money anyway. Carrier was leaving. "The". "The Tax Break". "A Tax Break" is a euphemism. BTW, WTF is the Tax Break?
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Post by Trades on Dec 3, 2016 8:07:38 GMT -5
Only if you don't understand what a tax break is. They were LOSING the money anyway. Carrier was leaving. "The". "The Tax Break". "A Tax Break" is a euphemism. BTW, WTF is the Tax Break? Basically they get a 7 million dollar exemption. They aren't getting 7 million dollars they just aren't going to pay taxes on $7 million and that could be over time. Many states do this to attract or keep businesses from moving. It is basically a form of crony capitalism but it is also the way our system is designed, sadly. Everyone gets tax breaks. Also consider that if Carrier left completely then they wouldn't have been paying any taxes to Indiana for that facility, those employees wouldn't have been paying taxes AND they would have been collecting unemployment for at least up to 6 months. They might also qualify for other handouts like food stamps. As part of the deal carrier also promised to spend another $12 million in state which will create many more jobs and, wait for it, generate more taxes for the state. Is it perfect? Nothing is. Is it a win for Trump, the people who were going to lose their jobs at Carrier, Indiana, etc? Absolutely From TurboTatwitter.com A tax break means the government is offering you a reduction in your taxes. When the government offers you a tax break, it means you’re getting a reduction in your taxes. A tax break can come in a variety of forms, such as claiming deductions or excluding income from your tax return. In some situations, a tax break may not even require any action on your part at all if it relates to a reduction in the overall income tax rates or an increase in the value of the exemptions you claim. Who creates tax breaks? Behind every tax break is a tax law that the government passes which explains how the tax break works. When it comes to your federal income tax, all changes in tax law must be approved by the U.S. Congress and the President. For example, when you fill out your tax return this year you may encounter a new tax credit that allows you to reduce your tax bill for the year. This new tax credit is a tax break that the federal government has approved. The motivation for issuing tax breaks is commonly to stimulate the economy by increasing the amount of money taxpayers have to spend or to promote certain types of behaviors such as purchasing energy-efficient appliances or attending college. Tax deductions as tax breaks You are probably familiar with the most common types of tax breaks – you get them every year when you claim deductions to reduce your taxable income on your tax return. Governments have no obligation to offer you deductions, but when they do, it is a tax break. For example, the federal government has a longstanding practice of allowing you to claim a wide range of itemized deductions, which effectively provide more tax savings than the standard deduction. This by itself is a tax break. However, the government sometimes amends the requirements and limitations for claiming deductions. For example, during the 2010 tax year, Congress eliminated the adjusted gross income limitation on itemized deductions, whereas, in prior tax years, you have to reduce your itemized deductions when your income is too high. Income exclusions are tax breaks The best tax break of all is being able to entirely eliminate certain types of income from your tax return. Generally, these types of tax breaks apply to specific taxpayers. One example is your ability to exclude most, if not all, of your Social Security income from income taxation during your retirement years. Another significant exclusion applies only to taxpayers who live and work abroad. Generally, these expatriates can eliminate a portion of their foreign earnings from U.S. taxation. In 2016, this exclusion amount applies to your first $101,300 of earnings. Tax breaks for having dependents When preparing your return, one of the first tax breaks you claim is likely to be the exemptions for your dependents. These exemptions work just like deductions in reducing your taxable income, but the amount is fixed by the government each year. Like all other tax breaks, just because dependents exemptions are available each year doesn’t mean that it’s permanent. Congress can decide tomorrow to fundamentally change the way it collects income tax and can eliminate all dependent exemptions entirely.
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Post by tkasper01 on Dec 3, 2016 8:12:15 GMT -5
The deal with United Technologies includes $7 million in incentives provided by Indiana. This means everyone in Indiana just paid $1 so that 800 people could keep their jobs. Robert Shapiro had this to say during “Power Lunch” and it is spot on with what is wrong with this deal "We certainly don't want to take as our guide to creating jobs special tax breaks for a company that earned $7.5 billion in profits last year, got $6 billion in defense contracts, paid its top five executives $50 million, in order to preserve 1,000 out of 2,100 jobs," said Shapiro. "It's essentially a transfer from the taxpayers of Indiana, who are providing these tax breaks, to the shareholders of United Technology plus those 1,000 workers. That's really not a model for creating jobs across America," he added. This was the hammer that should have been used. If he is smart he will review this type of stuff and use it and not lead with tax breaks. I am not being critical of this deal. 1100 people will have Christmas this year and work in the foreseeable future. Well done. I'd like to see the Gubermint become as bit of a bully on company's the US is making rich is all.
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