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Post by yankeejet22 on Dec 1, 2016 21:44:00 GMT -5
He can be a dynamic offensive player if he chose. He's a true two-way player. Even going back to high school, I always wondered why they didn't play him more at RB. I saw him scrimmage vs my son's High school Wayne Hills and he was like a rocket. They were using him as a wildcat QB, split end and WR. I've never seen a faster human being. I talked to one of the Paramus Catholic Dads, and he told me that Jabril left Don Bosco HS because the Bosco Coach was running him to the ground at practice as a RB. He wanted nothing to do with playing RB because of this. |
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Post by maury77 on Dec 1, 2016 21:48:58 GMT -5
Even going back to high school, I always wondered why they didn't play him more at RB. I saw him scrimmage vs my son's High school Wayne Hills and he was like a rocket. They were using him as a wildcat QB, split end and WR. I've never seen a faster human being. I talked to one of the Paramus Catholic Dads, and he told me that Jabril left Don Bosco HS because the Bosco Coach was running him to the ground at practice as a RB. He wanted nothing to do with playing RB because of this. What impressed me about him in high school (aside from the speed) is his size. The kid is jacked up. Rashan Gary is the other kid from Paramus Catholic at Michigan and he is another stud. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 1, 2016 22:08:53 GMT -5
How many two way players are in the NFL? The only one I can remember that made a slight impact was Troy Brown. He was one the most mediocre players ever to play the game. If you're great at something they have you do it. If you're playing a bunch of positions it's because you're not great at anything. That's my point about Peppers and why he is so overhyped at this point. People see a guy that is OK at defense that also plays offense, returns kicks, and is the jack of all trades. The question I ask is how does that skillset translate to the NFL? It doesn't. I think he'll be a good player in the NFL over time because he's a good athlete. When it comes to a top 5-10 pick....fuck no. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 1, 2016 22:15:47 GMT -5
That's my point about Peppers and why he is so overhyped at this point. People see a guy that is OK at defense that also plays offense, returns kicks, and is the jack of all trades. The question I ask is how does that skillset translate to the NFL? It doesn't. I think he'll be a good player in the NFL over time because he's a good athlete. When it comes to a top 5-10 pick....fuck no. Exactly, so many CBs and WRs get over drafted because they're ok at their position, and are great returners. That's why terrible players like Justin Gilbert, Ted Ginn, and Traye Waynes get over drafted. I don't get it. If they're a #1 CB/WR you'd never have them return kicks. That shouldn't factor into their draft position. They should get taken in the late 2nd round early 3rd round like Devin Hester. |
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Post by RobR on Dec 1, 2016 22:27:39 GMT -5
If they're a #1 CB/WR you'd never have them return kicks Good post but I don't agree with this statement. Some of the best CB's and Safeties in NFL history were great return men, guys like Sanders and Rod Woodson. Revis was one of the best in his class at the time so it's an inexact science. In todays NFL it seems to be frowned upon, so I agree on that part. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Dec 1, 2016 22:41:02 GMT -5
If they're a #1 CB/WR you'd never have them return kicks Good post but I don't agree with this statement. Some of the best CB's and Safeties in NFL history were great return men, guys like Sanders and Rod Woodson. Revis was one of the best in his class at the time so it's an inexact science. In todays NFL it seems to be frowned upon, so I agree on that part. The three CBs you mentioned were drafted cause they could COVER and were athletes. Just like Patrick Peterson. He was great at covering WRs in college, but was a little raw. The players I mentioned were super raw and got drafted high because of their athletic/return abilities. Idiot GMs were like "oh they're super athletic. We can teach them how to play their position." Like Rex said, "nobody knew who good Revis was because he didn't like WRs get off the line of scrimmage." A shitty more athlete CB in Aaron Ross went right after him. Almost everyone actually Ross ranked above Revis. |
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Post by Lithfan on Dec 1, 2016 22:42:10 GMT -5
He can be a dynamic offensive player if he chose. He's a true two-way player. How many two way players are in the NFL? None full time since Penn grad (and former Eagle) Chuck Bednarik.  Don't often get to plug Penn Quaker football on this site, so I am not going to let an opportunity go by. |
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Post by tinstar on Dec 8, 2016 20:27:43 GMT -5
I think if you put him at CB, you have a very good, legit #1 CB after a year or two. If you put him at FS, you have a franchise type of player on defense for the next decade along the lines of Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu. Him and Fournette are neck and neck as my top player in the draft for the Jets, assuming Garrett is out of the discussion. Projects to be an Eric Berry type at safety IMO Personally my ideal scenario would be drafting Fournette and signing Berry himself in FA after we cut dead weight like Revis, Gilchrist, etc. IMO, Jabril Peppers is the player Rex Ryan thought he was getting when the Jets drafted Calvin Pryor . The kid is a SS who can come down in the box against the run and drop into coverage and play the Pass . It will be interesting to see what his time is at the combines or pro day . Personally, I am not a fan of drafting certain positions in the 1st round, and safety is one of those positions. There's no QB worth talking in the 1st round this draft, and the top 2 OTs are not worth taking that high . The player that's interesting right now is Tim Williams of Bama, but I have to see his combine measurements before I commit to him . Fournette is interesting, but his 40 is going to have to make up for his pass catching skills for me to consider him with a 1st round pick . While he catches the football ok, he's not a natural pass catcher .
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Post by maury77 on Dec 9, 2016 6:25:43 GMT -5
I think if you put him at CB, you have a very good, legit #1 CB after a year or two. If you put him at FS, you have a franchise type of player on defense for the next decade along the lines of Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu. Him and Fournette are neck and neck as my top player in the draft for the Jets, assuming Garrett is out of the discussion. Projects to be an Eric Berry type at safety IMO Personally my ideal scenario would be drafting Fournette and signing Berry himself in FA after we cut dead weight like Revis, Gilchrist, etc. IMO, Jabril Peppers is the player Rex Ryan thought he was getting when the Jets drafted Calvin Pryor . The kid is a SS who can come down in the box against the run and drop into coverage and play the Pass . It will be interesting to see what his time is at the combines or pro day . Personally, I am not a fan of drafting certain positions in the 1st round, and safety is one of those positions. There's no QB worth talking in the 1st round this draft, and the top 2 OTs are not worth taking that high . The player that's interesting right now is Tim Williams of Bama, but I have to see his combine measurements before I commit to him . Fournette is interesting, but his 40 is going to have to make up for his pass catching skills for me to consider him with a 1st round pick . While he catches the football ok, he's not a natural pass catcher .
I could be completely wrong, but Fournette looks like a low 4.4 guy to me. |
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Post by tinstar on Dec 9, 2016 9:17:37 GMT -5
IMO, Jabril Peppers is the player Rex Ryan thought he was getting when the Jets drafted Calvin Pryor . The kid is a SS who can come down in the box against the run and drop into coverage and play the Pass . It will be interesting to see what his time is at the combines or pro day . Personally, I am not a fan of drafting certain positions in the 1st round, and safety is one of those positions. There's no QB worth talking in the 1st round this draft, and the top 2 OTs are not worth taking that high . The player that's interesting right now is Tim Williams of Bama, but I have to see his combine measurements before I commit to him . Fournette is interesting, but his 40 is going to have to make up for his pass catching skills for me to consider him with a 1st round pick . While he catches the football ok, he's not a natural pass catcher .
I could be completely wrong, but Fournette looks like a low 4.4 guy to me. If true, at his size, he's a no brainer pick . The only issue would be his ability to stay on the field . |
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Post by Paradis on Dec 9, 2016 12:04:49 GMT -5
Apparently we're not totally crazy in the scepticism of Peppers
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 9, 2016 22:10:49 GMT -5
Apparently we're not totally crazy in the scepticism of Peppers That sums up my entire premise of starting this thread. Where is the production and where will play? In what world does a 205 pound kid play LB in the NFL? Athletic kid but he is being vastly overrated as an NFL prospect. |
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Post by tinstar on Dec 10, 2016 21:18:39 GMT -5
The kid has the speed to run with TEs and RBs and the strength and power to play along the LOS. He's going to make an awesome SS .
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