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Post by 2foolish on Dec 19, 2016 12:16:22 GMT -5
No prob ://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/18/leak-rex-tillerson-director-bahamas-based-us-russian-oil-company Rex Tillerson, the businessman nominated by Donald Trump to be the next US secretary of state, is the long-time director of a US-Russian oil firm based in the tax haven of the Bahamas, leaked documents show. The Russians leaked it so it doesn't count! you know there is a difference between a leak and a hack... |
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 19, 2016 12:19:20 GMT -5
Are you saying you think the Russians changed people's votes or are you saying that you think they were behind Wikileaks? If it is the former then yes I would expect the government to explain to the American people what was done. If it is the latter then maybe Hillary and the DNC needs to understand that their actions behind the scenes were corrupt and unacceptable and stop blaming the messenger. I'm gonna go with what our 17 intelligence agencies said about it. Corrupt. Yeah lol Our 17 intelligence agencies - who apparently can't detect a cybersecurity threat - said emails were hacked. They didn't mention anything about voting machines. But if you'd rather blindly trust the government, blindly support your party and candidate, and blindly believe that everything they were communicating in those emails was above board, go right ahead and enjoy your echo chamber. Personally, I'd rather the corruption be exposed and be allowed to make my own decision based on the truth. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 19, 2016 12:20:01 GMT -5
Trump the Appeaser. Oh the irony.
Like never in modern history, the incoming Trump team has made it clear they believe Putin’s Russia is an ally, not an adversary despite the obvious actions of a Russian government that has put American lives, values, and interests around the globe at risk. Putin’s U.S. allies, sympathizers, and fellow travelers may well be the Guilty Men in the new Cold War.
We can debate where we are in Cold War 2.0, but we shouldn’t mistake the fact that we are in fact in one
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Post by 2foolish on Dec 19, 2016 12:21:33 GMT -5
Are you saying you think the Russians changed people's votes or are you saying that you think they were behind Wikileaks? If it is the former then yes I would expect the government to explain to the American people what was done. If it is the latter then maybe Hillary and the DNC needs to understand that their actions behind the scenes were corrupt and unacceptable and stop blaming the messenger. I'm gonna go with what our 17 intelligence agencies said about it. Corrupt. Yeah lol first of all it wasn't 17 intelligence agencies...also as soon as something is HACKED,the NSA would almost immdiately know where it came from...yes the Ruskies did try to HACK both the DNC and the RNC but the emails that hurt the election and did way more damage than anything the Russians tried was the emails that were LEAKED to Wikipidia from inside the DNC... |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 19, 2016 12:53:26 GMT -5
So our outgoing Administration and SoS did a deal that allowed the leading state sponsor of terror to advance its nuclear program but I am supposed to be up in arms about Tillerson making deals with Russia for oil.
Decisions, decisions. Giving savages nukes or poking a few holes in the ground with Russia?
This is why libtards will continue to lose. The arguments simply dont stand up to the least bit of cross examination. The average person sees through this bullshit.
On our current trajectory, which Hillary would have continued, we were forcing Russia into an alliance with China. Not to mention Hillary would have destabilized the ME more by supplanting Assad. So Russia and China form a superpower alliance and more power vacuums to be filled by terrorists in the ME and more migrants off to Europe.
But Im supposed to be angry about a phone call with Taiwan and DNC corruption and tyranny getting exposed by a leak.
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Post by Jets Things on Dec 19, 2016 12:57:07 GMT -5
So our outgoing Administration and SoS did a deal that allowed the leading state sponsor of terror to advance its nuclear program but I am supposed to be up in arms about Tillerson making deals with Russia for oil. Decisions, decisions. Giving savages nukes or poking a few holes in the ground with Russia? This is why libtards will continue to lose. The arguments simply dont stand up to the least bit of cross examination. The average person sees through this bullshit. On our current trajectory, which Hillary would have continued, we were forcing Russia into an alliance with China. Not to mention Hillary would have destabilized the ME more by supplanting Assad. So Russia and China form a superpower alliance and more power vacuums to be filled by terrorists in the ME and more migrants off to Europe. But Im supposed to be angry about a phone call with Taiwan and DNC corruption and tyranny getting exposed by a leak. It's how the liberal brain works. |
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Post by quantum on Dec 19, 2016 14:19:50 GMT -5
VTN - the 80s called and want their foreign policy back.  |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 19, 2016 15:14:23 GMT -5
I'd assassinate their ambassador to Turkey and blame it on the Syrian rebels.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 9:42:07 GMT -5
On the contrary. I know you meant that to somehow be funny but it doesn't make any sense. You clearly did not read the article, the info is from the leaked Panama Papers exposing tax havens which forced the resignation of Icelands PM for example - if you recall. This is terrible news for Russia and they would be insane to make this public. Tillerson's appointment has been hailed by high ranking Russians as their "Christmas gift " as by removing sanctions he will single handedly rescue their economy which has been crippled by them and salvage Putins standing in Russia. The deal Tillerson signed with Putin to drill in the Arctic is estimated to be worth half a trillion dollars and has been put on hold. Yeah. Russia is going to jeopardize that. Watch for the sanctions to be lifted January 21. Investors are already counting on it. You'd have to be really ignorant of world issues to think Russia would harm themselves this way. What has Russia ever done for Trump that he would bestow this enormous gift on them? All quotes are real  Yes it was a joke. Are we at war with Russia? Why are you acting like it is the height of the cold war? Wouldn't a better relationship with Russia be a good thing? A secretary of state that understands business in Russia could help with a lot of international relations. The Clintons are completely tied to China. China is at least as much of an adversary as Russia is. Many people felt that China financed Bill's election. Just because the left is acting like Russia is the worst country on Earth doesn't make it true. Hillary was backed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries with horrible human rights records and possible terrorist ties. I didn't hear you complaining about that. I'm still waiting to hear the evidence about how Russia "hacked" our election. If they did then there is a problem but no evidence has been released. Even if they are behind Wikileaks which has not been proven, then they just shined light on the Dems dark side. Don't blame the messenger. FYI it's not a new cold war, Putin just won the old one "It was not only about Trump, though, or even just about sowing chaos. It was an operation whose point was its existence, proof that Russia was now a strong enough power to sway the most important kind of election in the most important country in the world. And when you pull off a gamble like that, and pull it off so spectacularly that you help elect a new U.S. president who has already positioned himself as Putin’s junior partner, well, what’s left of Western moral supremacy? Which kind of government really is better?" |
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Post by Trades on Dec 24, 2016 9:56:13 GMT -5
Yes it was a joke. Are we at war with Russia? Why are you acting like it is the height of the cold war? Wouldn't a better relationship with Russia be a good thing? A secretary of state that understands business in Russia could help with a lot of international relations. The Clintons are completely tied to China. China is at least as much of an adversary as Russia is. Many people felt that China financed Bill's election. Just because the left is acting like Russia is the worst country on Earth doesn't make it true. Hillary was backed by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries with horrible human rights records and possible terrorist ties. I didn't hear you complaining about that. I'm still waiting to hear the evidence about how Russia "hacked" our election. If they did then there is a problem but no evidence has been released. Even if they are behind Wikileaks which has not been proven, then they just shined light on the Dems dark side. Don't blame the messenger. FYI it's not a new cold war, Putin just won the old one "It was not only about Trump, though, or even just about sowing chaos. It was an operation whose point was its existence, proof that Russia was now a strong enough power to sway the most important kind of election in the most important country in the world. And when you pull off a gamble like that, and pull it off so spectacularly that you help elect a new U.S. president who has already positioned himself as Putin’s junior partner, well, what’s left of Western moral supremacy? Which kind of government really is better?" Please. What rag did you clip that from? A better relationship with Russia is in our best interests. Acting like we didn't win the cold war 30 years ago is just a liberal wet dream. Russia is a vestige of what the USSR was. Obama and Hillary gave Russia a nuclear agreement where we were the only ones accountable for a reduction of weapons and access to a lot more fissionable material. They only made Russia the bogeyman to attack Trump. If Hillary and her clan wasn't so underhanded and deceitful there wouldn't have been anything to leak. She screwed Bernie over in the primaries and hand picked Trump. She should be careful what she asks for... |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 10:12:11 GMT -5
FYI it's not a new cold war, Putin just won the old one "It was not only about Trump, though, or even just about sowing chaos. It was an operation whose point was its existence, proof that Russia was now a strong enough power to sway the most important kind of election in the most important country in the world. And when you pull off a gamble like that, and pull it off so spectacularly that you help elect a new U.S. president who has already positioned himself as Putin’s junior partner, well, what’s left of Western moral supremacy? Which kind of government really is better?" Please. What rag did you clip that from? A better relationship with Russia is in our best interests. Acting like we didn't win the cold war 30 years ago is just a liberal wet dream. Russia is a vestige of what the USSR was. Obama and Hillary gave Russia a nuclear agreement where we were the only ones accountable for a reduction of weapons and access to a lot more fissionable material. They only made Russia the bogeyman to attack Trump. If Hillary and her clan wasn't so underhanded and deceitful there wouldn't have been anything to leak. She screwed Bernie over in the primaries and hand picked Trump. She should be careful what she asks for... Yes whatver keeps the GOP in power is in "our" best interest. The question which you ignorex was what's left of western moral supremacy |
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Post by DDNYjets on Dec 24, 2016 10:33:28 GMT -5
Please. What rag did you clip that from? A better relationship with Russia is in our best interests. Acting like we didn't win the cold war 30 years ago is just a liberal wet dream. Russia is a vestige of what the USSR was. Obama and Hillary gave Russia a nuclear agreement where we were the only ones accountable for a reduction of weapons and access to a lot more fissionable material. They only made Russia the bogeyman to attack Trump. If Hillary and her clan wasn't so underhanded and deceitful there wouldn't have been anything to leak. She screwed Bernie over in the primaries and hand picked Trump. She should be careful what she asks for... Yes whatver keeps the GOP in power is in "our" best interest. The question which you ignorex was what's left of western moral supremacy The alternative is returning to the Cold War bc that is where Obama was sending us and Hillary would have made sure we arrived. And that would have a domino effect. They would be allying with China and probably Iran as well. So yes, having a functional relationship with Russia is in our best interests. Doesn't mean we are in love with Russia or Putin. Just like we aren't in love with Assad. But we know the alternatives are worse so we deal with it accordingly. Thats how life works. Not everything is black and white and fits into a nice tidy box you can keep under your bed. The West will always have moral supremacy. We are competing against cultures where women are basically owned by their husbands, cant go to school, cant drive, etc. Not really that much of a competition if you ask me. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 10:50:44 GMT -5
Yes whatver keeps the GOP in power is in "our" best interest. The question which you ignorex was what's left of western moral supremacy The alternative is returning to the Cold War bc that is where Obama was sending us and Hillary would have made sure we arrived. And that would have a domino effect. They would be allying with China and probably Iran as well. So yes, having a functional relationship with Russia is in our best interests. Doesn't mean we are in love with Russia or Putin. Just like we aren't in love with Assad. But we know the alternatives are worse so we deal with it accordingly. Thats how life works. Not everything is black and white and fits into a nice tidy box you can keep under your bed. The West will always have moral supremacy. We are competing against cultures where women are basically owned by their husbands, cant go to school, cant drive, etc. Not really that much of a competition if you ask me. the war is over because trump surrendered |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 10:55:47 GMT -5
Oops!
Gingrich mocks Russia over Israel vote
In a jab at Russia that could also be taken as one against President-elect Donald Trump, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich mocked Russia for its vote Friday in the U.N. Security Council.
"So Russia having illegally occupied Crimea and eastern Ukraine votes to condemn Israel for "occupied lands." We are supposed to be impressed," he tweeted Saturday morning.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 24, 2016 11:29:55 GMT -5
LOL!!!
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