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Post by Yankees45 on Feb 6, 2017 20:53:43 GMT -5
Best qb in draft , this years Prescott, he could really scramble and work the pocket really well. All he needs to improve on is footwork mechanics, but the guy can still launch the ball 65 plus off his back foot. There's a vid of him throwing 65 - 70 yards on his knees. He's also great off the field. He's also shown improvement from his soph. Year to now. This guy is going in the 1st, he's gonna have a great pro day and combine I guarantee it. Couple things; The Dak comparison is lazy. They share little. Secondly, for all the love Mahomes gets from people (like yourself), almost none of you point to anything of substance. It's the same grocery list of vague accolades, while you gush over some intangible NFL expectations. None of you Mahomesalites point a game and break down where the NFL throws are. Where the play is that Mahomes push a ball passed coverage. Made a read that didn't consist of scrambling for 20 minutes until a DB finally fell down. "Shown improvement"... really? explain. "there's a vid of him throw 65 yards on his knees".... seen it, in 2007 via a guy named Jamarcus Russell. "he can really scramble".... yes. cause that's a measure of success in the NFL "work the pocket really well".... opposite monday? He can't work a can opener, let a lone a pocket. he gets flushed out by phantom pass rushers virtually every 3rd play. In fact, as soon has his 1st read isn't open, the happy feet start. Way too much lusting for a highlight rainbow throws on broken coverages. Weren't you the guy who was all over lynchs knob last year ? How is he doing ? The guy is trash , I guarantee this kid will be a better pro than lynch . His footwork can improve its all on the player, if he shows that he's capable you take him , he's the best talent out of the bunch , and when I mentioned he improved each year , I meant statistically. Also who wouldn't run around in the pocket to save themselves behind a Texas tech o line? |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 6, 2017 21:16:32 GMT -5
Couple things; The Dak comparison is lazy. They share little. Secondly, for all the love Mahomes gets from people (like yourself), almost none of you point to anything of substance. It's the same grocery list of vague accolades, while you gush over some intangible NFL expectations. None of you Mahomesalites point a game and break down where the NFL throws are. Where the play is that Mahomes push a ball passed coverage. Made a read that didn't consist of scrambling for 20 minutes until a DB finally fell down. "Shown improvement"... really? explain. "there's a vid of him throw 65 yards on his knees".... seen it, in 2007 via a guy named Jamarcus Russell. "he can really scramble".... yes. cause that's a measure of success in the NFL "work the pocket really well".... opposite monday? He can't work a can opener, let a lone a pocket. he gets flushed out by phantom pass rushers virtually every 3rd play. In fact, as soon has his 1st read isn't open, the happy feet start. Way too much lusting for a highlight rainbow throws on broken coverages. Weren't you the guy who was all over lynchs knob last year ? How is he doing ? The guy is trash , I guarantee this kid will be a better pro than lynch . His footwork can improve its all on the player, if he shows that he's capable you take him , he's the best talent out of the bunch , and when I mentioned he improved each year , I meant statistically. Also who wouldn't run around in the pocket to save themselves behind a Texas tech o line? A sign a great argument; 1-- start with a " yea, but you...." statement. Nothing like opening a reply by saying Lynch sucks... a guy who's played 3 games and won 1. 2-- My favorite -- hey!! here's Mahomes who needs to work on his footwork and be developed! ...but hey!! Lynch sucks cause of his poor footwork and he didn't develop in 6 months!! Come at me when you're ready to have a discussion with some substance, instead of acting like a 13 year old chick. You can start by telling ALL of us why Lynch was looked at as a round 1 prospect by NFL scouts and Mahomes needs blowhards to convince the public he's a round 2 guy with upside. |
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Post by Touchable on Feb 6, 2017 21:25:06 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less about wasting picks on any more of these project, mid-round QB's in the hopes of finding the next Dak Prescott or something.
Build up the foundation of the team through the draft and FA this year and if Hackenberg falls flat on his face, do what it takes to land a Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Luke Falk next year.
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Post by RobR on Feb 6, 2017 21:40:36 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less about wasting picks on any more of these project, mid-round QB's in the hopes of finding the next Dak Prescott or something. Build up the foundation of the team through the draft and FA this year and if Hackenberg falls flat on his face, do what it takes to land a Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Luke Falk next year. Nailed it. I couldn't agree more and that also means a big fuck no to Glennon or Taylor. |
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Post by maury77 on Feb 6, 2017 21:50:19 GMT -5
Agree with both of the posters above me. My goal is to get the team younger and finish around 500 next year. Then, trade up into the top ten for one of Darnold/Allen/Rosen/Falk.
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Post by Touchable on Feb 6, 2017 21:57:25 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less about wasting picks on any more of these project, mid-round QB's in the hopes of finding the next Dak Prescott or something. Build up the foundation of the team through the draft and FA this year and if Hackenberg falls flat on his face, do what it takes to land a Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Luke Falk next year. Nailed it. I couldn't agree more and that also means a big fuck no to Glennon or Taylor. Yep, I want nothing to do with Taylor and I'm only interested in Glennon if it's on a reasonable 3 year deal that's easy to walk away from after 2 years. Otherwise, sign a cheap, young vet like Matt McGloin or Matt Barkley for $5-6 million a year to come in and challenge Hackenberg. |
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Post by Touchable on Feb 6, 2017 22:03:45 GMT -5
Another guy that I wouldn't mind taking a look at is Nick Foles.
The Chiefs aren't keeping him around at $10+ million next year.
May be a bit more pricey than a McGloin, Hoyer or Barkley but not as much as a Glennon or Tyrod. Plus there's no doubt that he flashed some pretty crazy potential in the past.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 6, 2017 22:07:20 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less about wasting picks on any more of these project, mid-round QB's in the hopes of finding the next Dak Prescott or something. Build up the foundation of the team through the draft and FA this year and if Hackenberg falls flat on his face, do what it takes to land a Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Luke Falk next year. This regime has to understand they've burned their "dart throw" QB picks. Another fuckshow like Mahomes serves only to tell the world they have no idea what they hell they're doing. If it's not #1 overall quality, GTFO... *ftr i wish mahomes the best, maybe he can develop into something. Just do it somewhere else. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 6, 2017 22:07:57 GMT -5
Another guy that I wouldn't mind taking a look at is Nick Foles. The Chiefs aren't keeping him around at $10+ million next year. May be a bit more pricey than a McGloin, Hoyer or Barkley but not as much as a Glennon or Tyrod. Plus there's no doubt that he flashed some pretty crazy potential in the past. Why do you want some scrub that has no chance of delivering the Lombardi to be a Jet? That is the worst case scenario because most of those names will probably inflate our win total by a couple of games and yet again we'll be missing out on the QB this team really needs. Sink or swim with Hack, Petty, and someone like McGloin. |
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Post by Touchable on Feb 6, 2017 22:24:45 GMT -5
Another guy that I wouldn't mind taking a look at is Nick Foles. The Chiefs aren't keeping him around at $10+ million next year. May be a bit more pricey than a McGloin, Hoyer or Barkley but not as much as a Glennon or Tyrod. Plus there's no doubt that he flashed some pretty crazy potential in the past. Why do you want some scrub that has no chance of delivering the Lombardi to be a Jet? That is the worst case scenario because most of those names will probably inflate our win total by a couple of games and yet again we'll be missing out on the QB this team really needs. Sink or swim with Hack, Petty, and someone like McGloin. Perfect world, that's what I'd want the Jets to do. Give a young vet like McGloin $5-6 million to come in and push Hackenberg and the Jets roll with Petty or someone else (Aaron Murray?) as the #3. But who the hell knows what the Jets will do. I just hope to Christ they don't go and pay Cutler $14-16 million a year or even talk to someone like Kaepernick, much less give him $8-10 million per. Glennon to me is the only one who has a decent chance of being a longterm solution based on his physical traits and intangibles coupled with a pretty impressive, although limited sample size. If he wants some sort of Osweiler type of deal...then he can go fuck himself. But I would't be opposed to a 3 year deal averaging $12 million per that would be easy to walk away from after 2 years if it isn't particularly working out. I have no delusions of a guy like Foles repeating his crazy 27 TD/2 INT season from a few years ago. But if Morton thinks he's a comfy fit for his offense at around $7-8 million a year, I wouldn't be totally against it and giving Hackenberg another year to develop, or just an extra 4-6 weeks if Foles ends up stinking up the place to start the season. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 6, 2017 22:32:21 GMT -5
Sink or swim with Hack, Petty This is what should happen -- but for obvious reasons, I'm not holding my breath. Despite a bunch RayRay Jet fans who continue to act like Mac is the second coming of Ted Thompson, I'm sure in real life he knows the lack of success at QB is catching up with him. If he went ahead with just those two QBs, and they predictably faceplant (hard), would you let him pick our future in 2018? Would you trust his judgement?.. I hope I'm wrong, but the smart money says he's try to cover his ass with something this year at QB. Dunno what, but something. (now if he did actually have the balls to field a team with just Petty and Hackenberg, that would actually earn some points with me and probably another year) |
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Post by RobR on Feb 6, 2017 22:40:38 GMT -5
Why do you want some scrub that has no chance of delivering the Lombardi to be a Jet? That is the worst case scenario because most of those names will probably inflate our win total by a couple of games and yet again we'll be missing out on the QB this team really needs. Sink or swim with Hack, Petty, and someone like McGloin. Perfect world, that's what I'd want the Jets to do. Give a young vet like McGloin $5-6 million to come in and push Hackenberg and the Jets roll with Petty or someone else (Aaron Murray?) as the #3. But who the hell knows what the Jets will do. I just hope to Christ they don't go and pay Cutler $14-16 million a year or even talk to someone like Kaepernick, much less give him $8-10 million per. Glennon to me is the only one who has a decent chance of being a longterm solution based on his physical traits and intangibles coupled with a pretty impressive, although limited sample size. If he wants some sort of Osweiler type of deal...then he can go fuck himself. But I would't be opposed to a 3 year deal averaging $12 million per that would be easy to walk away from after 2 years if it isn't particularly working out. I have no delusions of a guy like Foles repeating his crazy 27 TD/2 INT season from a few years ago. But if Morton thinks he's a comfy fit for his offense at around $7-8 million a year, I wouldn't be totally against it and giving Hackenberg another year to develop, or just an extra 4-6 weeks if Foles ends up stinking up the place to start the season. Every name you mentioned will continue the perpetual mediocrity that the Jets have been for almost 50 years now...no thanks. Let Mac and Bowles sink or swim with what they have drafted at the QB position, because 2018 will be a stellar QB class and if they fail, the Jets coaching and GM positions should look tempting to the top candidates. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 6, 2017 22:45:03 GMT -5
Would you trust his judgement?.. I've been questioning this guy since day one, so that would be a no. Overall throughout his two years as a GM he has been horrible, I'm not sure how anyone could argue that. |
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Post by Yankees45 on Feb 6, 2017 23:20:33 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't care less about wasting picks on any more of these project, mid-round QB's in the hopes of finding the next Dak Prescott or something. Build up the foundation of the team through the draft and FA this year and if Hackenberg falls flat on his face, do what it takes to land a Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen or Luke Falk next year. This regime has to understand they've burned their "dart throw" QB picks. Another fuckshow like Mahomes serves only to tell the world they have no idea what they hell they're doing. If it's not #1 overall quality, GTFO... *ftr i wish mahomes the best, maybe he can develop into something. Just do it somewhere else. So every qb has to come out the gate like tom fuckin Brady , Peyton and luck? So guys like Brady , romo, Brees , dak, Russell , mccarron, siemian, Derek Carr don't exist to you huh |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 7, 2017 0:04:04 GMT -5
This regime has to understand they've burned their "dart throw" QB picks. Another fuckshow like Mahomes serves only to tell the world they have no idea what they hell they're doing. If it's not #1 overall quality, GTFO... *ftr i wish mahomes the best, maybe he can develop into something. Just do it somewhere else. So every qb has to come out the gate like tom fuckin Brady , Peyton and luck? Apparently -- didn't you just slam Lynch for not winning a fucking Lombardi in his rookie year? |
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