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Post by maury77 on Feb 2, 2017 20:39:02 GMT -5
I added a 2015 tape because I wanted to see him against an SEC defense.
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Post by RobR on Feb 2, 2017 20:48:52 GMT -5
I'll start off and remember I'm only going off of one tape, 2016 OU game.
Pros:
Big athletic kid
Big arm
Some plays I see a little Big Ben.....that's it for the pros.
Cons:
Funky motion that looks slow and low
Footwork is horrible
Downfield accuracy was non existent, all over the place
Has a terrible habit of going backwards when he feels pressure
Where are the tight window throws?
He will go through progressions somewhat but he locks on the first one for a long time
Bad accuracy down the sidelines
Almost all of his completions in that game were swing passes to the RB or a quick hitting slant
Accuracy is a huge issue, even in the intermediate area.
Overall:
Another giant project I want no part of. He'll probably be overdrafted just like every other QB but I see a 4th-5th round talent.
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Post by Paradis on Feb 2, 2017 21:23:17 GMT -5
I'll start off and remember I'm only going off of one tape, 2016 OU game. Pros: Big athletic kid Big arm Some plays I see a little Big Ben.....that's it for the pros. Cons: Funky motion that looks slow and low Footwork is horrible Downfield accuracy was non existent, all over the place Has a terrible habit of going backwards when he feels pressure Where are the tight window throws? He will go through progressions somewhat but he locks on the first one for a long time Bad accuracy down the sidelines Almost all of his completions in that game were swing passes to the RB or a quick hitting slant Accuracy is a huge issue, even in the intermediate area. Overall: Another giant project I want no part of. He'll probably be overdrafted just like every other QB but I see a 4th-5th round talent. Thank god someone else is seeing what I see. You wouldn't believe the legion of zealots over at JN who believe he's going to be taken in the top 10, possibly worth a look at #6. I rewatched the LSU and OKL games, and I came away completely uninspired. -few (if any) NFL throws. -Footwork is nonexistent -Totally unable to come off his first read. Scrambles for no reason. -Does not push the ball into coverage in a place where the WR can make a play -all of his downfield throws are busted coverages or the occasional touch base on a flag route. -Has an arm, but i don't see him use it effectively other than just heaving it on seam routes. -Accuracy plummets when the first guy isn't open. -no pocket presence. - No anticipation. Those big out route rainbows he throws with a nice touch are deceiving and (I think) tricking people into believing he can read a defense and anticipate ball placement.. but the timing? He's waiting until coverage basically trails the WR. The balls needs to come quick and accurately -- and i don't see any of that unless it's on a quick slant/drag... a throw that just about anyone in college should be making. To be fair, he's just doesn't look refined. I wouldn't say impossible that he can developed, but Bryce Petty is a good comparison what that might look like. Patient, arm strength, confident, and hot and cold touch... but the NFL requires so much more. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 2, 2017 21:43:27 GMT -5
OK, just watched the 2015 LSU tape to be fair to the kid. The only difference I noted from 2015 to the 2016 tape was that his release was faster in 2015.....go figure. He still delivers the ball very low and when he ends up under center in the NFL I see a ton of batted balls. The offense he plays in at TT hides that deficiency. To the kids credit he did make some freakish throws in that game but I hate the release point.
I do like his competitiveness but that only gets you so far in the NFL.
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Post by RobR on Feb 2, 2017 21:51:14 GMT -5
Thank god someone else is seeing what I see. You wouldn't believe the legion of zealots over at JN who believe he's going to be taken in the top 10, possibly worth a look at #6. I don't go over to JN but that sounds like some crazy shit. This kid is a project no matter how you slice it and dice it, but never forget that Hack was drafted 51st overall and he was much worse in college. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 3, 2017 8:52:23 GMT -5
Thank god someone else is seeing what I see. You wouldn't believe the legion of zealots over at JN who believe he's going to be taken in the top 10, possibly worth a look at #6. I don't go over to JN but that sounds like some crazy shit. This kid is a project no matter how you slice it and dice it, but never forget that Hack was drafted 51st overall and he was much worse in college. I see a similar rise for Mahomes during this pre draft process. Much like I said about Hack last January that he will impress more in shorts and private workouts, I think the same will apply to Mahomes this year, and he will be drafted WAY higher than where he should be. He has some stuff to work with, but nothing worth drafting before the 4th round. This QB class is just so poor that it won't be surprising to see a team or two reach badly on one of these kids. |
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Post by jif on Feb 3, 2017 10:22:56 GMT -5
He's got some major flaws that I'm honestly not sure are correctable. You swing is your swing and most of the time his footwork is terrible and his motion is slow and low...it doesnt need to be. He's got time. Which just means no matter what, he resorts to what's comfortable for him. He's just a monster athlete with a crazy arm.
I think he's going to have a HUGE adjustment in the NFL. Not only has he never had to read a defense in his life, he's played in a conference that doesnt realize they're allowed to stop another team's offense. It's terrible Football and impossible to watch. Besides that, the conference has literally never produced an NFL QB (unless you're a fan of Sam Bradford and RGIII).
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Post by Paradis on Feb 3, 2017 11:18:31 GMT -5
The argument about Lynch vs Mahomes came up, with many stating "how much better" of a prospect Mahomes is... which IMO is obviously stupid. There's a reason why Lynch was always looked at as Rnd 1 guy, while a guy like a Mahomes needs a lawyer to plead the 2nd. It's actually a nice little case study that illustrates what NFL teams look for:
--Neither player had(have) anything resembling NFL footwork, pro-QB mechanics or ready to face on NFL defense; their respective schemes just didn't prepare them.
--Why was Lynch always in the conversation as a 1st round pick? cause he made NFL throws. He drove the ball into windows that NFL QBs do. his touch, ball placement, anticipation, and ability to find the coverage he wanted made him that pick. Right or wrong that's why.
--Mahomes has shown little in that department.. He doesn't put the ball in NFL places, at NFL speeds, against NFL coverage. He just doesn't, and that's why he's been a middle round guy, and he'll probably continue to be in that conversation.
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Post by RobR on Feb 3, 2017 11:22:18 GMT -5
I don't go over to JN but that sounds like some crazy shit. This kid is a project no matter how you slice it and dice it, but never forget that Hack was drafted 51st overall and he was much worse in college. I see a similar rise for Mahomes during this pre draft process. Much like I said about Hack last January that he will impress more in shorts and private workouts, I think the same will apply to Mahomes this year, and he will be drafted WAY higher than where he should be. He has some stuff to work with, but nothing worth drafting before the 4th round. This QB class is just so poor that it won't be surprising to see a team or two reach badly on one of these kids. So what are your thoughts on the player? The good, the bad, and the ugly. |
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Post by RobR on Feb 3, 2017 20:15:24 GMT -5
I added a 2015 tape because I wanted to see him against an SEC defense. You can't start a thread like this without your own synopsis, it's against the hampur rules. |
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Post by Lithfan on Feb 3, 2017 21:32:59 GMT -5
One thing about Mahomes -- he is fun to watch. Did not see much Texas tech during the season, but there is nothing the kid won't try. Does some nice things -- saw him looking off the defense quite a few times, he doesn't stare down receivers, strong arm and he is a playmaker. But man, does he sometimes look awful out there. Throwing off the back foot, across his body, sidearm throws, not protecting the ball. The kid will try anything from any spot on the field.
The kid has some arm talent, but he is raw and inconsistent and the throws he got away with against Big 12 defenses wont work at the next level. We don't need another project QB. I would pass, but he could be a lot of fun to watch some day.
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Post by maury77 on Feb 3, 2017 22:06:35 GMT -5
* Like Lith said, the kid is a lot of fun to watch. He reminds me of a poor man's Stafford. Mahomes would be awesome in a flag football league.
* Decent size and good athleticism for the position
* Best arm out of all the QBs in the draft, an absolute cannon
* good mobility in the pocket and can pick up some yards
* He does a nice job of keeping his eyes downfield when he scrambles and can make a lot of broken plays
* Accuracy can be spotty
* His feet are a fucking mess, which affects his accuracy
* He throws sidearm way too often and is going to get a lot of passes batted down in the pros
* Operates almost exclusively out of the shotgun
* Makes one read ... and that's it. If the initial guy isn't open, he is going to start running around until he bails or throws a crazy pass elsewhere (which he often completes)
* He is going to get picked off A LOT in the pros unless his game matures
* I like Mahomes. Honestly, I liked him more than I liked Hack coming out (FML). The tools are there, but he is going to have to sit for a couple of years and even then he may not pan out
* I would not touch him before the 3rd round
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Post by Yankees45 on Feb 6, 2017 11:58:35 GMT -5
Best qb in draft , this years Prescott, he could really scramble and work the pocket really well. All he needs to improve on is footwork mechanics, but the guy can still launch the ball 65 plus off his back foot. There's a vid of him throwing 65 - 70 yards on his knees. He's also great off the field. He's also shown improvement from his soph. Year to now. This guy is going in the 1st, he's gonna have a great pro day and combine I guarantee it.
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Post by Yankees45 on Feb 6, 2017 12:07:52 GMT -5
This throwing motion crap is bullshit , if a guy can get the ball from point a to b with fuckin zip and accuracy let it be . Look at rivers , he throws side arm and this guy is one of the best in the nfl. He could improve footwork. Look at dak , the guy never been under center and his work ethic allowed him to improve, if our FO feels and sees that this guy has the ethics and the will to become great we take him period. This guy has the Highest ceiling of the entire class.watson a close second
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Post by Paradis on Feb 6, 2017 18:43:37 GMT -5
Best qb in draft , this years Prescott, he could really scramble and work the pocket really well. All he needs to improve on is footwork mechanics, but the guy can still launch the ball 65 plus off his back foot. There's a vid of him throwing 65 - 70 yards on his knees. He's also great off the field. He's also shown improvement from his soph. Year to now. This guy is going in the 1st, he's gonna have a great pro day and combine I guarantee it. Couple things; The Dak comparison is lazy. They share little. Secondly, for all the love Mahomes gets from people (like yourself), almost none of you point to anything of substance. It's the same grocery list of vague accolades, while you gush over some intangible NFL expectations. None of you Mahomesalites point a game and break down where the NFL throws are. Where the play is that Mahomes push a ball passed coverage. Made a read that didn't consist of scrambling for 20 minutes until a DB finally fell down. "Shown improvement"... really? explain. "there's a vid of him throw 65 yards on his knees".... seen it, in 2007 via a guy named Jamarcus Russell. "he can really scramble".... yes. cause that's a measure of success in the NFL "work the pocket really well".... opposite monday? He can't work a can opener, let a lone a pocket. he gets flushed out by phantom pass rushers virtually every 3rd play. In fact, as soon has his 1st read isn't open, the happy feet start. Way too much lusting for a highlight rainbow throws on broken coverages. |
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