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Post by chadp on Feb 24, 2017 18:43:52 GMT -5
Boy to ascribe alot of thing to me without even asking. BTW...are you saying that young woman will have no debt because she is poor, black or a woman? The 3 demographic categories will definitely make her more eligible than a middle class, white man. My daughter is a senior and we are investigating college and funding and that is definitely the case. Omg - you have children! |
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Post by BushytheLobster on Feb 24, 2017 22:47:50 GMT -5
The struggle is real. I'm so sick of being a white man. Why couldn't I be a black woman, they have it made, |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 25, 2017 18:33:30 GMT -5
The struggle is real. I'm so sick of being a white man. Why couldn't I be a black woman, they have it made, Thing is, how comfortable are you saying that you're proud of your heritage in mixed company? On social media I stay in contact with literally hundreds of former co-workers from Rikers (where I was a distinct minority). Believe me, there's a definite double standard in proclaiming pride for your race. I know that's not what this thread was originally about, but you sorta took it down this road with your comment. To your point vis a vis the topic, why do you feel black woman don't have it made (I have my reasons, but you can go first). I would start with the fact that they are much more likely to be born into poverty, much more likely to be s single parent and have a shorter life span. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 26, 2017 11:35:57 GMT -5
Thing is, how comfortable are you saying that you're proud of your heritage in mixed company? On social media I stay in contact with literally hundreds of former co-workers from Rikers (where I was a distinct minority). Believe me, there's a definite double standard in proclaiming pride for your race. I know that's not what this thread was originally about, but you sorta took it down this road with your comment. To your point vis a vis the topic, why do you feel black woman don't have it made (I have my reasons, but you can go first). I would start with the fact that they are much more likely to be born into poverty, much more likely to be s single parent and have a shorter life span. This is a choice they have COMPLETE control over, if their mother hadn't made the same bad choice then she would have had a much better change of not bringing a child into poverty. The life span thing I have no idea on but a lot of that is life choices too. <edit> I looked it up. It is a 4 year difference between blacks and whites. 78.9 to 74.6. Negligible when it comes to this argument. |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 26, 2017 11:38:16 GMT -5
I would start with the fact that they are much more likely to be born into poverty, much more likely to be s single parent and have a shorter life span. This is a choice they have COMPLETE control over, if their mother hadn't made the same bad choice then she would have had a much better change of not bringing a child into poverty. The life span thing I have no idea on but a lot of that is life choices too. Yeah, they choose that men abandon them. The lifespan is because of poor diet fro poverty and lack of quality healthcare, |
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Post by Jets Things on Feb 26, 2017 12:05:52 GMT -5
This is a choice they have COMPLETE control over, if their mother hadn't made the same bad choice then she would have had a much better change of not bringing a child into poverty. The life span thing I have no idea on but a lot of that is life choices too. Yeah, they choose that men abandon them. The lifespan is because of poor diet fro poverty and lack of quality healthcare, Think of it as purposefully getting knocked up in order to increase the government handout. They don't care if the guy sticks around. |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 26, 2017 12:43:47 GMT -5
Yeah, they choose that men abandon them. The lifespan is because of poor diet fro poverty and lack of quality healthcare, Think of it as purposefully getting knocked up in order to increase the government handout. They don't care if the guy sticks around. Perhaps thats true in some cases. I'm sure you spoken with many young poor black women about this. Sad that they see that as their only path. Still doesn't make me wish I was born a young black female instead of a white male in the U.S. If its so hard to be a white man, I sure have beaten the odds! I must be amazing. I didn't let the system hold me back! Hey guys we should hold a march! A DAY WITHOUT WWCM!!!! I'll make t shirts, who's in??? Or maybe we should just work harder, pull ourselves up by the bootstraps...ya know, like we tell those others to do. |
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 26, 2017 18:27:34 GMT -5
Thing is, how comfortable are you saying that you're proud of your heritage in mixed company? On social media I stay in contact with literally hundreds of former co-workers from Rikers (where I was a distinct minority). Believe me, there's a definite double standard in proclaiming pride for your race. I know that's not what this thread was originally about, but you sorta took it down this road with your comment. To your point vis a vis the topic, why do you feel black woman don't have it made (I have my reasons, but you can go first). I would start with the fact that they are much more likely to be born into poverty, much more likely to be s single parent and have a shorter life span. Nature/nurture argument, will not participate. But realize you're on a slippery slope based on your subsequent responses, especially about being abandoned by men. |
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Post by Gunnails on Feb 26, 2017 18:38:30 GMT -5
Poor black women can have multiple orgasms, an I can't, does not seem at all fair to me.
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 26, 2017 18:59:13 GMT -5
I would start with the fact that they are much more likely to be born into poverty, much more likely to be s single parent and have a shorter life span. Nature/nurture argument, will not participate. But realize you're on a slippery slope based on your subsequent responses, especially about being abandoned by men. I ain't on a slope of any kind. I'm looking at statistics. Are you saying there is something in a black womans nature to be poor? |
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 26, 2017 19:41:02 GMT -5
Nature/nurture argument, will not participate. But realize you're on a slippery slope based on your subsequent responses, especially about being abandoned by men. I ain't on a slope of any kind. I'm looking at statistics. Are you saying there is something in a black womans nature to be poor? No, but apparently you want me to? Again, not going down this road with you, you're a master of shifting the goalposts, and quite frankly, I don't want to expend the energy. Hang on to your milquetoast views on what it means to be a minority in this country, but just know that you're part of the problem. |
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Post by BushytheLobster on Feb 26, 2017 19:45:58 GMT -5
Nature/nurture argument, will not participate. But realize you're on a slippery slope based on your subsequent responses, especially about being abandoned by men. I ain't on a slope of any kind. I'm looking at statistics. Are you saying there is something in a black womans nature to be poor? In the US people of Asian descent have the highest income as a group, so I guess that makes them the privileged ones. In studies where religion is taken into account jews make more money than christians or muslims. Of course, Americans as a group, including yes, black female Americans, are exponentially richer than, say, Africans. There's always going to be someone whose got it better than you. That doesn't make them responsible for all the ills of the world or mean you are a victim with nothing to be thankful for. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Feb 27, 2017 8:57:14 GMT -5
This is a choice they have COMPLETE control over, if their mother hadn't made the same bad choice then she would have had a much better change of not bringing a child into poverty. The life span thing I have no idea on but a lot of that is life choices too. Yeah, they choose that men abandon them. The lifespan is because of poor diet fro poverty and lack of quality healthcare, Yes. They chose to have sex with a boy who was far more likely to abandon them than to stick around mainly because they are simply repeating their cycle of poverty. My wife grew up very poor. Her single mother was a non-diagnosed schizophrenic who was self medicating with gallons of alcohol. Neither my wife nor her sister had a father growing up as each of their sperm donors were likely anonymous drunkards who made their donation in a back alley way. My wife -- who by the way is my hero -- got her GED after getting kicked out of high school and spending time in Juvee. She then went to community college and transferred to a 4 year college earning a degree in psychology. Her sister, however, repeated the cycle of a single mom living on welfare. Sadly, our niece has also repeated the cycle. When you grow up and your own personal experiences are limited to the people around you who perpetually make bad choices, I think the chances that you will repeat those bad choices are very, very high. I do not understand it one bit. But I've told my wife that I refuse to allow my fatherless grand-niece to be victim to it as well. She is only in first grade, but I constantly remind her that a better life requires only that she work hard in school and be a good girl. Education, as it always has been, IS the way out. I will be devastated if she becomes just another statistic in her teenage years, and if that happens the person who bears the greatest responsibility is her mother because she failed to break out of the cycle of poverty. She has self-destructed every single opportunity that has been given to her, to the point that my wife and I simply refuse to help her because it is futile. |
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 9:14:51 GMT -5
I ain't on a slope of any kind. I'm looking at statistics. Are you saying there is something in a black womans nature to be poor? No, but apparently you want me to? Again, not going down this road with you, you're a master of shifting the goalposts, and quite frankly, I don't want to expend the energy. Hang on to your milquetoast views on what it means to be a minority in this country, but just know that you're part of the problem. If I am part of the problem for simply stating that white men historically have had advantages in the US then go ahead and blame everything on me. This whole woe is me white guy whining is laughable. We've spent decades tell others to get over it...now we're suddenly victims? |
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 9:43:31 GMT -5
No, but apparently you want me to? Again, not going down this road with you, you're a master of shifting the goalposts, and quite frankly, I don't want to expend the energy. Hang on to your milquetoast views on what it means to be a minority in this country, but just know that you're part of the problem. If I am part of the problem for simply stating that white men historically have had advantages in the US then go ahead and blame everything on me. This whole woe is me white guy whining is laughable. We've spent decades tell others to get over it...now we're suddenly victims? I am not claiming any race of people is worse off. You are missing the point of the article and as someone said, "moving the goal posts". The point is that SOME/Many poor white men have been forgotten by the party elite. If the liberals can't or won't understand that and choose to pander to small minorities then the left will continue their decline. |
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