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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 9:51:32 GMT -5
If I am part of the problem for simply stating that white men historically have had advantages in the US then go ahead and blame everything on me. This whole woe is me white guy whining is laughable. We've spent decades tell others to get over it...now we're suddenly victims? I am not claiming any race of people is worse off. You are missing the point of the article and as someone said, "moving the goal posts". The point is that SOME/Many poor white men have been forgotten by the party elite. If the liberals can't or won't understand that and choose to pander to small minorities then the left will continue their decline. I get that but forgotten HOW? In what way? And specifically how by the "left," who haven't always been in power? What drives this? A chart without reasons behind it in meaningless. Also, I dont think they mean "poor" when they say "working class."
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 9:56:01 GMT -5
I am not claiming any race of people is worse off. You are missing the point of the article and as someone said, "moving the goal posts". The point is that SOME/Many poor white men have been forgotten by the party elite. If the liberals can't or won't understand that and choose to pander to small minorities then the left will continue their decline. I get that but forgotten HOW? In what way? And specifically how by the left, who haven't always been in power? What drives this? A policy that pushes to bring/accept poor illegals to take jobs here while also rewarding companies for moving jobs offshore. CONSTANTLY dismissing white people as a BLOC and telling them that they should be quiet. Stop playing identity politics. For Example: www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/24/dnc-chair-candidate-wants-to-shut-other-white-people-down.html
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 10:07:38 GMT -5
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 10:08:57 GMT -5
Since 1994 what liberal "policy" specifically pushed to bring/accept poor illegals to take jobs here while also "rewarding" companies for moving jobs offshore? And what GOP policy in that time fought against it? And that quote is from January...doesn't really apply to the charts timeline. No one party drove the numbers in that chart. Simple economics of the time did.
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 10:09:39 GMT -5
PROVEN RIGHT AGAIN!!!
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 10:23:14 GMT -5
Since 1994 what liberal "policy" specifically pushed to bring/accept poor illegals to take jobs here while also "rewarding" companies for moving jobs offshore? And what GOP policy in that time fought against it? And that quote is from January...doesn't really apply to the charts timeline. No one party drove the numbers in that chart. Simple economics of the time did. NAFTA and not enforcing immigration laws. You are right it was both parties which led to this however one party woke up and elected the anti-establishment non-politician. The other party gamed the primaries and buried their "anti-establishment" career politician because it was "her turn" and because the status quo was the most important thing.
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 10:31:12 GMT -5
Since 1994 what liberal "policy" specifically pushed to bring/accept poor illegals to take jobs here while also "rewarding" companies for moving jobs offshore? And what GOP policy in that time fought against it? And that quote is from January...doesn't really apply to the charts timeline. No one party drove the numbers in that chart. Simple economics of the time did. You are right it was both parties which led to this Im so tired of being right.
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 10:33:04 GMT -5
You are right it was both parties which led to this Im so tired of being right. You are wrong a lot though so you can take solace in that.
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Post by BushytheLobster on Feb 27, 2017 10:46:28 GMT -5
Kinda raises the question why she shouldn't be allowed to identify as black if she wants? After all, if a male can legally identify as female then why shouldn't the same identify to race?
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 10:56:14 GMT -5
Kinda raises the question why she shouldn't be allowed to identify as black if she wants? After all, if a male can legally identify as female then why shouldn't the same identify to race? Never understood why anyone cared about this.
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 11:11:32 GMT -5
Kinda raises the question why she shouldn't be allowed to identify as black if she wants? After all, if a male can legally identify as female then why shouldn't the same identify to race? I think it was more that she was in charge of the NAACP but yes the hypocrisy of the left is amazing. There are a lot of videos online of conservatives asking if a man can identify as a woman then why can't someone identify as a different race, age or anything else. The questioned liberal always says, "That is just silly" yet they can never say why it is silly for one but not the other. Here is one:
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 27, 2017 13:59:29 GMT -5
Kinda raises the question why she shouldn't be allowed to identify as black if she wants? After all, if a male can legally identify as female then why shouldn't the same identify to race? I think it was more that she was in charge of the NAACP but yes the hypocrisy of the left is amazing. There are a lot of videos online of conservatives asking if a man can identify as a woman then why can't someone identify as a different race, age or anything else. The questioned liberal always says, "That is just silly" yet they can never say why it is silly for one but not the other. The real question is: Who cares?
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 14:12:03 GMT -5
I think it was more that she was in charge of the NAACP but yes the hypocrisy of the left is amazing. There are a lot of videos online of conservatives asking if a man can identify as a woman then why can't someone identify as a different race, age or anything else. The questioned liberal always says, "That is just silly" yet they can never say why it is silly for one but not the other. The real question is: Who cares? Who cares about what? About he saying she was black? I guess the NAACP did, they fired her. About making up nonsense and calling it biological certainty because people identify a certain way and then not understanding the hypocrisy of identifying as a different age, race or species? I think a lot of people care because they are being called bigots and racists for not believing in the latest cause whenever the wind changes. Why should we all have to participate in someone else's fairy tale? I don't think that people should be harassed for their choices but people also shouldn't be harassed for not indulging people in their fantasies.
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Post by BushytheLobster on Feb 27, 2017 14:17:26 GMT -5
The real question is: Who cares? Who cares about what? About he saying she was black? I guess the NAACP did, they fired her. About making up nonsense and calling it biological certainty because people identify a certain way and then not understanding the hypocrisy of identifying as a different age, race or species? I think a lot of people care because they are being called bigots and racists for not believing in the latest cause whenever the wind changes. Why should we all have to participate in someone else's fairy tale? I don't think that people should be harassed for their choices but people also shouldn't be harassed for not indulging people in their fantasies. +1. btw, my son will be filling out college applications in a couple years. Anyone see any reason he shouldn't be allowed to identify as any race or gender he chooses on the forms?
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Post by Trades on Feb 27, 2017 14:21:35 GMT -5
Who cares about what? About he saying she was black? I guess the NAACP did, they fired her. About making up nonsense and calling it biological certainty because people identify a certain way and then not understanding the hypocrisy of identifying as a different age, race or species? I think a lot of people care because they are being called bigots and racists for not believing in the latest cause whenever the wind changes. Why should we all have to participate in someone else's fairy tale? I don't think that people should be harassed for their choices but people also shouldn't be harassed for not indulging people in their fantasies. +1. btw, my son will be filling out college applications in a couple years. Anyone see any reason he shouldn't be allowed to identify as any race or gender he chooses on the forms? Or age or religion or anything else. Go with what gets you the best benefit.
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