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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 7, 2017 6:58:13 GMT -5
Its either fake news or they were doing it. Either way we have these Obama people trying to sabotage our current administration. And BTW General Mike Flynn was operating out of Trump Tower during the transition. We know his phone recordings got out.
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Post by rc726 on Mar 7, 2017 7:42:37 GMT -5
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 7, 2017 7:54:47 GMT -5
And what about all the politicians making claims he is in bed with the Russians despite the heads of our intelligence agencies, under Obama, conducting investigations and concluding there was no evidence of foul play? Whats good for the goose... And Trump has more empirical and circumstantial evidence on his side than they do. We know the Obama administration wiretapped and/or conducted electronic surveillance of foreign official as well as journalists. American citizens as well. And that statement that Obama's spokesperson put out was pretty lawyered up. Im sure he made sure he was left with plausible deniability. Obama is conniving and vindictive, not cavalier. |
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Post by Touchable on Mar 7, 2017 8:08:13 GMT -5
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 7, 2017 8:09:06 GMT -5
I think the point is there is about as much proof that Trump was tapped during that campaign as there is proof that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Ruskies.
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Post by rc726 on Mar 7, 2017 8:59:42 GMT -5
I think the point is there is about as much proof that Trump was tapped during that campaign as there is proof that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Ruskies. Everyone is in agreement the Russian Government interfered with the Presidential election. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Mar 7, 2017 9:16:24 GMT -5
I think the point is there is about as much proof that Trump was tapped during that campaign as there is proof that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Ruskies. Everyone is in agreement the Russian Government interfered with the Presidential election. Not what I said. The press and Dems have been accusing Trumps campaign of colluding with the Ruskies. There is no evidence that this happened. Now Trump has accused the prior Admin of tapping his line. Likewise, their is no proof that this happened. The point would be that that the Dems and press ran with the former, but question the credibility of the latter. This is hypocrisy. If you do not see it, you are refusing to view these occurrences objectively and are, instead, evaluating the situation through the lens of partisanship. I am all for an investigation of the Ruskies' interference with our election so we can prevent it from happening in the future. But, every powerful country seeks to influence (by hook or by crook) elections in foreign countries where the outcome is important to them. The US has done it plenty. Regardless, IMO the Ruskies intended to get "caught". It was a shot over our bow, to show what they are capable of doing, and done with the hope of weakening President Hillary. The fact that Trump won and that we are now in the midst of a media shit storm over the issue which has crippled our government's ability to function is just a fortuitous outcome for them. But if you are going to investigate the baseless claim that Trump people engaged in an illegal conspiracy with the Ruskies, then you have to investigate the equally baseless claim that Obama bugged Trump Tower. |
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Post by rc726 on Mar 7, 2017 9:45:01 GMT -5
Everyone is in agreement the Russian Government interfered with the Presidential election. Not what I said. The press and Dems have been accusing Trumps campaign of colluding with the Ruskies. There is no evidence that this happened. Now Trump has accused the prior Admin of tapping his line. Likewise, their is no proof that this happened. The point would be that that the Dems and press ran with the former, but question the credibility of the latter. This is hypocrisy. If you do not see it, you are refusing to view these occurrences objectively and are, instead, evaluating the situation through the lens of partisanship. I am all for an investigation of the Ruskies' interference with our election so we can prevent it from happening in the future. But, every powerful country seeks to influence (by hook or by crook) elections in foreign countries where the outcome is important to them. The US has done it plenty. Regardless, IMO the Ruskies intended to get "caught". It was a shot over our bow, to show what they are capable of doing, and done with the hope of weakening President Hillary. The fact that Trump won and that we are now in the midst of a media shit storm over the issue which has crippled our government's ability to function is just a fortuitous outcome for them. But if you are going to investigate the baseless claim that Trump people engaged in an illegal conspiracy with the Ruskies, then you have to investigate the equally baseless claim that Obama bugged Trump Tower. It is the same with both parties, it's never the actual act it's the cover up. Start with Manafort and then throw in Flynn and it becomes a concern. Trump not releasing his taxes to prove there isn't conflict of interest doesn't help, but I agree with you to throw out baseless claims doesn't help anyone. It becomes a bigger problem when the leader of the free world throws stuff out there just to do it. All Presidents get too much praise and too much criticism, just depends on if he is your guy or not. For the record Hillary deserved to lose. |
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Post by flushingjet on Mar 7, 2017 11:49:01 GMT -5
I think the point is there is about as much proof that Trump was tapped during that campaign as there is proof that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Ruskies. Everyone is in agreement the Russian Government interfered with the Presidential election. One closet door closes, another one opens... |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 7, 2017 12:37:56 GMT -5
I think the point is there is about as much proof that Trump was tapped during that campaign as there is proof that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Ruskies. Everyone is in agreement the Russian Government interfered with the Presidential election. LOL no. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 7, 2017 12:44:57 GMT -5
I think the point is there is about as much proof that Trump was tapped during that campaign as there is proof that the Trump campaign was conspiring with the Ruskies. Huh? The NYT and Wash Post wrote articles citing unnamed sources in the Intel community about conversations that were recorded. Are you saying that the NYTs and Wash Post have evidence that Trump was conspiring with the Russians and haven't published it? You know if they had it they would have published it and you know they asked. So I disagree with you here Sonny. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 7, 2017 13:03:05 GMT -5
Still looking for the "Evidence suggests/shows/implies Obama ordered Trump's phone tapped" sentence. You know he meant the Obama administration right? |
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Post by Trades on Mar 7, 2017 15:26:39 GMT -5
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Post by bxjetfan on Mar 7, 2017 15:30:32 GMT -5
All of the MSM are buddies with Obama. Why don't they just ask him to deny that Trump was bugged.
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Post by Big L on Mar 7, 2017 16:02:54 GMT -5
It was the Russian operatives that were wiretapped, in which it was heard trumpers people conversing with the Russians. Not the other way around.
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