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Post by tkasper01 on Sept 24, 2018 11:14:25 GMT -5
LOL, just admit you made shit up. Also admit Obama spied on Trumps campaign after weaponizing our intelligence agencies. Get ahead of the curve for once. Does the government monitor US citizens under Section 702? Yes. Although the government cannot designate “United States persons” as the “targets” of its warrantless Section 702 monitoring, it can still capture or scan their internet or telephone conversations as part of this surveillance. “US person” is a legal term that includes US citizens and green-card holders as well as some corporations and associations. By law, the government must adopt “targeting procedures” that are “reasonably designed” to prevent it from gathering communications that are solely between people the intelligence agencies know to be in the United States – or US persons abroad. However, this restriction leaves plenty of legal room for the government to sweep up potentially huge numbers of communications to or from Americans. Both sides are corrupt. The Dems are just so much better at it. They continue to prove the Pubs to be a useless bunch of pussys. Let me guess Grassley is really mad about these scandalous accusations isn't he. Dipshit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:14:38 GMT -5
Huh? You don't think that if your home has smart appliances and the gov has a surveillance order on you they wouldn't use them to listen in on you? I like the pic though, it doesn't help your cause. They really cannot listen but glean info from the device in use. Now Google with this Alexa shit. That is a whole nother level of domestic, corporate spying. Amazon has Alexa not Google, but fair point. People are utilizing encrypted platforms now more than ever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:15:13 GMT -5
Does the government monitor US citizens under Section 702? Yes. Although the government cannot designate “United States persons” as the “targets” of its warrantless Section 702 monitoring, it can still capture or scan their internet or telephone conversations as part of this surveillance. “US person” is a legal term that includes US citizens and green-card holders as well as some corporations and associations. By law, the government must adopt “targeting procedures” that are “reasonably designed” to prevent it from gathering communications that are solely between people the intelligence agencies know to be in the United States – or US persons abroad. However, this restriction leaves plenty of legal room for the government to sweep up potentially huge numbers of communications to or from Americans. What is this bullshit? They had a FISA warrant on Page, you said the two hop rule doesn't apply. Show me where that is stated. Section 702 is the two hop.
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Post by tkasper01 on Sept 24, 2018 11:20:28 GMT -5
They really cannot listen but glean info from the device in use. Now Google with this Alexa shit. That is a whole nother level of domestic, corporate spying. Amazon has Alexa not Google, but fair point. People are utilizing encrypted platforms now more than ever. You really think the "encryption" protects you or your data? If so I have a bridge for sale. Cheap. 😀
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 24, 2018 11:21:36 GMT -5
Huh? You don't think that if your home has smart appliances and the gov has a surveillance order on you they wouldn't use them to listen in on you? I like the pic though, it doesn't help your cause. Apple doesn't even open up locked phones in school shooting investigations, but they're going to let obama spy on trump? Come on. Now the microwave... that's a different story. I don't like the way that thing looks at me. Never trusted it. Ahahahahaha, if you think Apple, Google or many others wouldn't trip over themselves to comply with a surveillance warrant on Trump from the Obama administration.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:24:40 GMT -5
Amazon has Alexa not Google, but fair point. People are utilizing encrypted platforms now more than ever. You really think the "encryption" protects you or your data? If so I have a bridge for sale. Cheap. 😀 Mostly speaking about communication, what’s app, wickr etc.
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 24, 2018 11:29:51 GMT -5
What is this bullshit? They had a FISA warrant on Page, you said the two hop rule doesn't apply. Show me where that is stated. Section 702 is the two hop. No 702 is warrantless surveillance between Americans and people overseas suspected of terrorism or espionage. A court ordered FISA warrant allows the whole ball of wax. Keep up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 11:40:29 GMT -5
Section 702 is the two hop. No 702 is warrantless surveillance between Americans and people overseas suspected of terrorism or espionage. A court ordered FISA warrant allows the whole ball of wax. Keep up. Read below www.thirdway.org/report/guide-to-section-702-reform
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 24, 2018 12:01:43 GMT -5
Great article and proves my point. No warrant is required to begin surveillance under 702. They got a warrant to surveill Page and used every method they had. Initially the Steele dossier was used primarily for the warrant and it was rejected, because it was bullshit. Now I'll speculate. If you ask our allies to spy on an American, there is a paper trail that supports the request. There is no paper trail in this case because Obamas people knew they were breaking the law. The reason the UK and Australia don't want the application coming out is because they don't want to be embarrassed about interfering in our election. If Hillary had won none of this would have come out. But the witch lost.
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Post by Trades on Sept 24, 2018 12:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 24, 2018 12:05:54 GMT -5
So roseesteins half assed attempt to get Trump to fire him didn't work. Now the lefties can't cry obstruction. Then the FISA will be declassified and it will be obvious what he did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:08:08 GMT -5
Great article and proves my point. No warrant is required to begin surveillance under 702. They got a warrant to surveill Page and used every method they had. Initially the Steele dossier was used primarily for the warrant and it was rejected, because it was bullshit. Now I'll speculate. If you ask our allies to spy on an American, there is a paper trail that supports the request. There is no paper trail in this case because Obamas people knew they were breaking the law. The reason the UK and Australia don't want the application coming out is because they don't want to be embarrassed about interfering in our election. If Hillary had won none of this would have come out. But the witch lost. Ok so now you understand that 702 is a section within FISA?
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 24, 2018 12:13:06 GMT -5
Great article and proves my point. No warrant is required to begin surveillance under 702. They got a warrant to surveill Page and used every method they had. Initially the Steele dossier was used primarily for the warrant and it was rejected, because it was bullshit. Now I'll speculate. If you ask our allies to spy on an American, there is a paper trail that supports the request. There is no paper trail in this case because Obamas people knew they were breaking the law. The reason the UK and Australia don't want the application coming out is because they don't want to be embarrassed about interfering in our election. If Hillary had won none of this would have come out. But the witch lost. Ok so now you understand that 702 is a section within FISA? They got a warrant to spy on Page where the two hop is used.they got a warrant. How stupid are you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 12:19:49 GMT -5
Ok so now you understand that 702 is a section within FISA? They got a warrant to spy on Page where the two hop is used.they got a warrant. How stupid are you? We are talking about the two hop which is section 702. Look at the link again, it states FOREIGN physically located outside US. You shouldn’t question my intelligence when you have consistently ignored the rules written within the FISA law. Page was believed to be working on the behalf of a foreign govt, that is why it was a FISA warrant.
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Post by bxjetfan on Sept 24, 2018 12:31:16 GMT -5
They got a warrant to spy on Page where the two hop is used.they got a warrant. How stupid are you? We are talking about the two hop which is section 702. Look at the link again, it states FOREIGN physically located outside US. You shouldn’t question my intelligence when you have consistently ignored the rules written within the FISA law. Page was believed to be working on the behalf of a foreign govt, that is why it was a FISA warrant. [br No, youre pretty stupid. 702 covers warrantless surveillance. It covers what the gov is allowed to collect witout a warrant. They got a warrant from the fisa court to expand surveillance on Page to include using the two hop rule. Will someone else jump in here cuz im not getting through.
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