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Post by Big L on Jul 18, 2017 8:31:47 GMT -5
The true problem is cost. Both parties plans do nothing about it, and are going about the problem all wrong. Enact or enforce current price gouging laws. The reason the costs are so high is because of the mandates. Mandates that the Dems who wrote this law put in. They own it. The only thing they could do to lower costs would be to open up the exchanges so they could be sold across state lines. But that change would require 60 votes. And even that would fail eventually. If we have any chance of not ending up with single-payer (which is where I believe this is all heading regardless) it needs to be torn down. But this is Obama's biggest legacy and the Dems will not, under any circumstances, repeal it. And like Chuck Shumer said yesterday. There is a significant portion of the "middle class" that now relies on and receives Medicaid subsidy. Obama gave the working class some of the the sweet gubmint milk and that is impossible to take away now. That was the poison pill. Not true. Costs were high way before Obamacare. Hence the Affordable Care Act. Except making it affordable wasn't reducing costs, it was throwing money at the problem to cover costs. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 18, 2017 9:19:40 GMT -5
The reason the costs are so high is because of the mandates. Mandates that the Dems who wrote this law put in. They own it. The only thing they could do to lower costs would be to open up the exchanges so they could be sold across state lines. But that change would require 60 votes. And even that would fail eventually. If we have any chance of not ending up with single-payer (which is where I believe this is all heading regardless) it needs to be torn down. But this is Obama's biggest legacy and the Dems will not, under any circumstances, repeal it. And like Chuck Shumer said yesterday. There is a significant portion of the "middle class" that now relies on and receives Medicaid subsidy. Obama gave the working class some of the the sweet gubmint milk and that is impossible to take away now. That was the poison pill. Not true. Costs were high way before Obamacare. Hence the Affordable Care Act. Except making it affordable wasn't reducing costs, it was throwing money at the problem to cover costs. You simply cannot reduce individual costs without subsidy. Thats how Obamacare works. Redistribution. And what you are describing is a government takeover of insurance companies. That is what you are saying when you suggest they go after them for price gouging and forcing them to charge a certain rate. And none of that addresses the need for tort reform which would also help improve costs. Its very simple. There will be winners and losers regardless of what they do. Go back to the pre-Obamacare free market and people lose their "healthcare" that was only given to them because others were forced to pay. Only way everyone gets healthcare is single payer. And I dont see how we can afford that whilst keeping our current role as the world's bodyguard. Two sides to everything. Media will only tell you one of those. |
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Post by flushingjet on Jul 18, 2017 9:20:15 GMT -5
The reason the costs are so high is because of the mandates. Mandates that the Dems who wrote this law put in. They own it. The only thing they could do to lower costs would be to open up the exchanges so they could be sold across state lines. But that change would require 60 votes. And even that would fail eventually. If we have any chance of not ending up with single-payer (which is where I believe this is all heading regardless) it needs to be torn down. But this is Obama's biggest legacy and the Dems will not, under any circumstances, repeal it. And like Chuck Shumer said yesterday. There is a significant portion of the "middle class" that now relies on and receives Medicaid subsidy. Obama gave the working class some of the the sweet gubmint milk and that is impossible to take away now. That was the poison pill. Not true. Costs were high way before Obamacare. Hence the Affordable Care Act. Except making it affordable wasn't reducing costs, it was throwing money at the problem to cover costs. More crypto-liberal claptrap The poor people who faced financial difficulties due to catastrophic illnesses and those who fecklessly neglected their health to suffer preexisting conditions, bully for them. How they faring now? Link? What about the 95% of everyone else who were ok with our insurance choices? Libertarianly speaking, feeling good about the govmint forcing you to pay for a plan, no matter what?? since nonnaturalborn Marxistmuslimpreezycare, insurance premiums up, costs up, deductibles up all exponentially with all matter of taxes up, Illegal parasites get healthcare+ on demand free care for a bad taco /Szechuan/jerk chicken/doner kabab tummy ache and an ambulance ride lollipops and diapers for the whole fam What's "done" can be undone, and it will. |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 18, 2017 9:22:27 GMT -5
Not true. Costs were high way before Obamacare. Hence the Affordable Care Act. Except making it affordable wasn't reducing costs, it was throwing money at the problem to cover costs. More crypto-liberal claptrap The poor people who faced financial difficulties due to catastrophic illnesses and those who fecklessly neglected their health to suffer preexisting conditions, bully for them. How they faring now? Link? What about the 95% of everyone else who were ok with our insurance choices? Libertarianly speaking, feeling good about the govmint forcing you to pay for a plan, no matter what?? since nonnaturalborn Marxistmuslimpreezycare, insurance premiums up, costs up, deductibles up all exponentially with all matter of taxes up, Illegal parasites get healthcare+ on demand free care for a bad taco /Szechuan/jerk chicken/doner kabab tummy ache and an ambulance ride lollipops and diapers for the whole fam What's "done" can be undone, and it will. Can you imagine the flood if we ever go single payer? They would start rafting across the Atlantic instead of the Mediterranean. |
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Post by flushingjet on Jul 18, 2017 9:51:25 GMT -5
More crypto-liberal claptrap The poor people who faced financial difficulties due to catastrophic illnesses and those who fecklessly neglected their health to suffer preexisting conditions, bully for them. How they faring now? Link? What about the 95% of everyone else who were ok with our insurance choices? Libertarianly speaking, feeling good about the govmint forcing you to pay for a plan, no matter what?? since nonnaturalborn Marxistmuslimpreezycare, insurance premiums up, costs up, deductibles up all exponentially with all matter of taxes up, Illegal parasites get healthcare+ on demand free care for a bad taco /Szechuan/jerk chicken/doner kabab tummy ache and an ambulance ride lollipops and diapers for the whole fam What's "done" can be undone, and it will. Can you imagine the flood if we ever go single payer? They would start rafting across the Atlantic instead of the Mediterranean. Single payer has been the wet dream of progressives since at least Truman even though it never results in better care or outcomes. I toughed out passing a giant kidney stone in Toronto rather than see a sandal wearing md in a steampunk ER |
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Post by flushingjet on Jul 18, 2017 10:04:15 GMT -5
Meanwhile the cvnts on The View are happy nothing is changing proclaiming its great, going anti-GOP full bore
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Post by Touchable on Jul 18, 2017 11:15:38 GMT -5
LOLZ
There's still hope for our youth yet
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 18, 2017 11:48:08 GMT -5
Meanwhile the cvnts on The View are happy nothing is changing proclaiming its great, going anti-GOP full bore Which is why they should just let it collapse. Its obvious no Democrats want to help. They say they do but their conditions are more mandates, more money and more redistribution. Just let it die. Unfortunately people are going to get hurt by it but I dont see how else anything gets done. |
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Post by Trades on Jul 18, 2017 12:19:59 GMT -5
LOLZ There's still hope for our youth yet No sense of humor and shouldn't teachers speak properly? |
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Post by flushingjet on Jul 20, 2017 10:11:53 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Jul 21, 2017 9:08:26 GMT -5
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Post by Touchable on Jul 21, 2017 11:17:09 GMT -5
Spicer out, Scaramucci in.
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Post by DDNYjets on Jul 21, 2017 11:23:35 GMT -5
Spicer out, Scaramucci in. Good. Spicer was loyal but he isnt much of a spin doctor. Hopefully this means they ban CNN. If you remember CNN ran a hit piece on Scaramucci last month that they were forced to retract and 3 people resigned over. |
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Post by Touchable on Jul 21, 2017 11:30:07 GMT -5
Spicer out, Scaramucci in. Good. Spicer was loyal but he isnt much of a spin doctor. Hopefully this means they ban CNN. If you remember CNN ran a hit piece on Scaramucci last month that they were forced to retract and 3 people resigned over. Yep Scaramucci is a goddamn pitbull and that's what Trump needs around him. Hopefully Priebus is next out the door. A lot of speculation that McMaster has been leaking shit as well. |
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jul 21, 2017 11:34:29 GMT -5
Spicey... out. Can't say i blame the guy.  |
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