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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 12:44:22 GMT -5
Not much left to speculate on. I surmise we'll sign QB J. McCown and then team visits will maybe give us some direction to go off of
No one cares and reads the rest of my mocks after Jets pick, so i'm just doing the top half
1) CLE - Garrett
2) SF - S. Thomas
3) CHI - M. Lattimore
4) CAR - (Trade w/ Jax); L. Fournette... per Cam's request
5) TEN - J. Adams
6) NYJ - M. Williams WR... best player on their board at position of need
7) LAC - J. Allen
8) JAX - OJ Howard
9) CIN - R. Foster
10) BUF - M. Trubisky... unexpected value for them
11) NOS - D. Barnett
12) NE (trade w/ CLE for JG) - M. Hooker
13) ARZ - D. Watson
14) TB (Trade w/Phi) D. Cook.... offense will be sick.
15) IND - Q. Wilson
16) BAL - C. Robinson
Rest of Jets draft
*Jets trade back w/ MIN who covet Kamara, gaining picks #48, #86 and #129, MIN also gets our #150
*Richardson is dealt for conditional 2018 pick to DAL
Jets select;
1st) M. Williams WR, Clemson
2nd) S. Jones, CB WSH
3rd) C. Sutton, CB Tennessee
3rd) E. Pocic, C/G LSU
3rd) J. Sprinkle, TE Arkansas
4th) A. Jones, RB UTEP
6th) J. Ware OT, Alabama State
7th) J. Calvin OLB/DE Miss State.... (jets spend a bunch of time with @ NFLPA bowl)
Thoughts? Let's hear it.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 19, 2017 13:09:36 GMT -5
I'm taking Howard in this scenario
I like Williams, but I don't see him ever being an elite #1.
Howard can be a total difference maker from the start and be a 10-12 year rock at a position that's plagued us for the last quarter century.
And even though I love Sidney Jones, I couldn't take him in the 2nd with that Achilles tear. That injury has the potential to be absolutely devastating for a CB. If he's there at the top of the 3rd, go for it. But I'd rather land a corner like Moreau/Conley/Jackson or an OLB like Watt/Anderson/Harris with that 2nd rounder.
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Post by maury77 on Mar 19, 2017 13:37:36 GMT -5
I can definitely see your top 5 going that way
Williams at 6? I wouldn't hate it, but I don't see the athleticism with him to warrant a top 10 pick. I like him a lot, but you have to be very special for me to love taking a WR in the top 10.
I'd probably take Watson at 6 in your scenario.
I'm fine with doubling up in the secondary, but, for the reasons UT stated, I don't love taking Jones at 38.
I'm happy with the 3rd and 4th round
I don't know enough about your 6th and 7th round guys to opine 1 way or the other
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 13:55:25 GMT -5
I can definitely see your top 5 going that way Williams at 6? I wouldn't hate it, but I don't see the athleticism with him to warrant a top 10 pick. I like him a lot, but you have to be very special for me to love taking a WR in the top 10. I'd probably take Watson at 6 in your scenario. I'm fine with doubling up in the secondary, but, for the reasons UT stated, I don't love taking Jones at 38. I'm happy with the 3rd and 4th round I don't know enough about your 6th and 7th round guys to opine 1 way or the other problem with Watson @ 6 is the margin for success is lulu-lemon tight. Taking him would suggest A) that hack was a mistake or isn't close to ready -- either way it's a red flag of incompetence. B) by taking watson you've basically tied yourself to his success in year #1... not even his development. He has to win now, or your ass is grass if you're Mike M... don't see him making that call. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 13:59:29 GMT -5
I'm taking Howard in this scenario I like Williams, but I don't see him ever being an elite #1. Howard can be a total difference maker from the start and be a 10-12 year rock at a position that's plagued us for the last quarter century. And even though I love Sidney Jones, I couldn't take him in the 2nd with that Achilles tear. That injury has the potential to be absolutely devastating for a CB. If he's there at the top of the 3rd, go for it. But I'd rather land a corner like Moreau/Conley/Jackson or an OLB like Watt/Anderson/Harris with that 2nd rounder. middle 2nd round is reasonable risk for a top 10 pick who was injured (significantly but not permanently)... that's my opinion anyway. The other options mid-second just aren't passing on Jones in 2018 for. I think some of you are maybe letting superfluous agility smoke from the combine cloud the judgement room. Mike Williams is undeniable someone's #1 WR. he's the definition of a X/split end. He wins against top corners and basically put the team on his back for big plays vs 'Bama. This team needs a #1 WR, and will never get one like Williams in FA... does it matter in 2 or 3 years if we took him at #6 or #16?... I don't think so. PS> love Howard, but he's not a good enough receiver to warrant picking over Williams. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 19, 2017 14:00:23 GMT -5
I'd prefer Howard, Cook or Hooker here I think. I don't have a huge problem with Williams but I definitely do NOT want a QB at 6.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 19, 2017 14:09:19 GMT -5
I'm taking Howard in this scenario I like Williams, but I don't see him ever being an elite #1. Howard can be a total difference maker from the start and be a 10-12 year rock at a position that's plagued us for the last quarter century. And even though I love Sidney Jones, I couldn't take him in the 2nd with that Achilles tear. That injury has the potential to be absolutely devastating for a CB. If he's there at the top of the 3rd, go for it. But I'd rather land a corner like Moreau/Conley/Jackson or an OLB like Watt/Anderson/Harris with that 2nd rounder. middle 2nd round is reasonable risk for a top 10 pick who was injured (significantly but not permanently)... that's my opinion anyway. The other options mid-second just aren't passing on Jones in 2018 for. I think some of you are maybe letting superfluous agility smoke from the combine cloud the judgement room. Mike Williams is undeniable someone's #1 WR. he's not the definition of a X/split end. He wins against top corners and basically put the team on his back for big plays vs 'Bama. This team needs a #1 WR, and will never get one like Williams in FA... does it matter in 2 or 3 years if we took him at #6 or #16?... I don't think so. PS> love Howard, but he's not a good enough receiver to warrant picking over Williams. I think they could've gotten a WR in FA similar to Williams in Alshon Jeffery if they really wanted. The more I watch of Williams, the more I think he's a borderline Top 15 pick in a very stacked draft class. The more I watch of Howard, the more I agree with the experts that he's the best TE prospect to come out in a decade and a matchup nightmare Day 1. He's also hands down the best inline blocker of any of the Top 6-8 or so guys at the position this year. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 19, 2017 14:16:42 GMT -5
Getting Howard would probably represent the single biggest improvement at a position year-over-year that the Jets could make on the field. Any other player would be an upgrade to something we already have but we've literally had nothing at TE for years. Nothing. It's almost as if opponents simply had to prep against the run and a couple of good Jets WRs in order to stop us. Howard would be a true X-factor. He would help in the running game. He would benefit whoever our QB is as a safety valve. On a rebuilding team I think selecting Howard would check a box for the Jets for a long time to come.
Teams that have had an elite TE recently (Patriots, Chiefs, Panthers, etc.) have typically had very good offenses.
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Post by yankeejet22 on Mar 19, 2017 14:40:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't have an issue with Williams, Howard, or even trading down a few spots. I think too early to take S Jones.
Par, any thoughts on Mixon in the 3rd/4th round area?
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Post by maury77 on Mar 19, 2017 15:13:25 GMT -5
I can definitely see your top 5 going that way Williams at 6? I wouldn't hate it, but I don't see the athleticism with him to warrant a top 10 pick. I like him a lot, but you have to be very special for me to love taking a WR in the top 10. I'd probably take Watson at 6 in your scenario. I'm fine with doubling up in the secondary, but, for the reasons UT stated, I don't love taking Jones at 38. I'm happy with the 3rd and 4th round I don't know enough about your 6th and 7th round guys to opine 1 way or the other problem with Watson @ 6 is the margin for success is lulu-lemon tight. Taking him would suggest A) that hack was a mistake or isn't close to ready -- either way it's a red flag of incompetence. B) by taking watson you've basically tied yourself to his success in year #1... not even his development. He has to win now, or your ass is grass if you're Mike M... don't see him making that call. 1. You and I are on the same page with Hack as a prospect. We hated the pick and we have seen NOTHING to make us think we are wrong. I can't pass on a solid QB prospect because of the Hack selection and, frankly, passing on Watson because we have Hack is even greater incompetence than picking Hack in the second round. Don't compound the mistake. 2. I disagree that he has to win now. In fact, I think picking a QB high buys you time with the fanbase. Watson is also has a high enough profile that Woody may be willing to be more patient with Bowles and Macc. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 16:29:40 GMT -5
I respect the logic from you fellas. I just see more for Williams -- he's just coming into his own. Jeffery? Yea he was a FA Touchable cause his hammies are cheese strings he got suspended in a contract year. Brandon Marshall had lots of personal problems over the years and different color jerseys to show for it. Green, Julio, Calvin. Fitz... 1 color. 1 team. I personally prefer Cook too jetstream23 but i don't think Mike has the balls. Howard is legit, but he's not the quite the Receiver people are making out to be. Engram & Everett have better hands and catch the ball more naturally. So you're overpaying for his blocking ability at #6... remember Ebron? |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 19, 2017 16:31:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't have an issue with Williams, Howard, or even trading down a few spots. I think too early to take S Jones. Par, any thoughts on Mixon in the 3rd/4th round area? I think Mixon's sexy as hell on the field.. but same reasons why i don't think they take Cook, is the same why they pass on Mixon. Management doesn't have the locker-room infrastructure and stable PR yet. |
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Post by yankeejet22 on Mar 19, 2017 19:10:48 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys are feeling regarding the RB situation, but I for one am off the Fournette/Cook at 6 train. This is a very talented RB class.
Give me Mike Williams and Leggett 1,2 and maybe D'Onta Foreman (or Mixon) in the 3rd. Let them grow with Hackenberg and we have the makings of an offense.
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Post by RobR on Mar 19, 2017 20:35:28 GMT -5
I don't know what you guys are feeling regarding the RB situation, but I for one am off the Fournette/Cook at 6 train. This is a very talented RB class. Give me Mike Williams and Leggett 1,2 and maybe D'Onta Foreman (or Mixon) in the 3rd. Let them grow with Hackenberg and we have the makings of an offense. You had me up until let them grow with Hackenberg. Also agree with most that taking Jones that early is a mistake. That is a devastating injury for a CB and since the group is deep this year I'd rather gamble on someone healthy.....or pick an OT in that spot. |
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Post by JStokes on Mar 19, 2017 20:40:41 GMT -5
Not much left to speculate on. I surmise we'll sign QB J. McCown and then team visits will maybe give us some direction to go off of No one cares and reads the rest of my mocks after Jets pick, so i'm just doing the top half 1) CLE - Garrett 2) SF - S. Thomas 3) CHI - M. Lattimore 4) CAR - (Trade w/ Jax); L. Fournette... per Cam's request 5) TEN - J. Adams 6) NYJ - M. Williams WR... best player on their board at position of need 7) LAC - J. Allen 8) JAX - OJ Howard 9) CIN - R. Foster 10) BUF - M. Trubisky... unexpected value for them 11) NOS - D. Barnett 12) NE (trade w/ CLE for JG) - M. Hooker 13) ARZ - D. Watson 14) TB (Trade w/Phi) D. Cook.... offense will be sick. 15) IND - Q. Wilson 16) BAL - C. Robinson Rest of Jets draft*Jets trade back w/ MIN who covet Kamara, gaining picks #48, #86 and #129, MIN also gets our #150 *Richardson is dealt for conditional 2018 pick to DAL Jets select;1st) M. Williams WR, Clemson 2nd) S. Jones, CB WSH 3rd) C. Sutton, CB Tennessee 3rd) E. Pocic, C/G LSU 3rd) J. Sprinkle, TE Arkansas 4th) A. Jones, RB UTEP 6th) J. Ware OT, Alabama State 7th) J. Calvin OLB/DE Miss State.... (jets spend a bunch of time with @ NFLPA bowl) Thoughts? Let's hear it. WR is almost the last position of need on the team. Right behind long snapper. We have needs all over the roster and while there are no superstar WRs, we have more than enough talent and depth at that position. _ |
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