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Post by Paradis on Mar 27, 2017 10:25:01 GMT -5
FWIW, I traded up for Basham in almost the same spot in the JN draft. Pick 69 vs pick 70. I reckon he's hugely underrated. I have him as my 4th edge guy. Only Garrett, Thomas and Barnett are ahead of him. Over McKinley and Williams. Don't think 98% of the NFL teams will agree with you there. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 27, 2017 10:27:31 GMT -5
FWIW, I traded up for Basham in almost the same spot in the JN draft. Pick 69 vs pick 70. I reckon he's hugely underrated. I have him as my 4th edge guy. Only Garrett, Thomas and Barnett are ahead of him. I don't have him in the same class with those 3 guys -- who I think are going to come in and play immediately, he is raw and will need some time to adjsut to the pro game. On the other hand, those guys are potential top 10 picks and in Basham we are talking about a likely day 2 pick. |
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Post by lray on Mar 27, 2017 10:34:41 GMT -5
I reckon he's hugely underrated. I have him as my 4th edge guy. Only Garrett, Thomas and Barnett are ahead of him. Over McKinley and Williams. Don't think 98% of the NFL teams will agree with you there. Definitely. McKinley is overrated because of his athleticism. He's talented but he's really raw. Then Tim Williams is just the beneficiary of a ridiculous Bama D. Anderson, Allen & co. do all the hard work causing most of his sacks. That and he's not a 3 down player and has off field issues. |
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Post by lray on Mar 27, 2017 10:35:43 GMT -5
I reckon he's hugely underrated. I have him as my 4th edge guy. Only Garrett, Thomas and Barnett are ahead of him. I don't have him in the same class with those 3 guys -- who I think are going to come in and play immediately, he is raw and will need some time to adjsut to the pro game. On the other hand, those guys are potential top 10 picks and in Basham we are talking about a likely day 2 pick. Agreed, there is a significant gap between the top 3 and Basham. |
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Post by lray on Mar 27, 2017 10:37:12 GMT -5
bitter sweet... C. Sutton was the Jets' selection, figured i'd get him at 10... glad I traded back i guess? Sucks that he won't be a Jet. Have to go back to the drawing board now. I'd be very happy to see him taken in the 3rd |
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Mar 27, 2017 10:42:59 GMT -5
I'm biased, but think fair as well. Whoever gets Desmond King in the 3rd round(if that's how it unfolds in the real draft) will be getting a steal.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 27, 2017 11:16:38 GMT -5
Over McKinley and Williams. Don't think 98% of the NFL teams will agree with you there. Definitely. McKinley is overrated because of his athleticism. He's talented but he's really raw. Then Tim Williams is just the beneficiary of a ridiculous Bama D. Anderson, Allen & co. do all the hard work causing most of his sacks. That and he's not a 3 down player and has off field issues. Couldn't disagree with you more. Tak's stiff hips are the only thing keeping him out of he top 10. He actually didn't test overly well at combine - which makes your assessment a little suspect. And look, the Tim Williams thing -- yes he's a bonehead, and that in itself has dropped him out of his top 10 spot. But you're grossly mistaken about the credit being all due to Allen/company. IMO. he can thank them for not getting double teamed sure, but that doesn't have any impact on his ability to walk around tackles like they're stuck in mudd I recently reminded myself who Williams was watching A/M, Tennessee etc. Pretty sick. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 27, 2017 11:18:45 GMT -5
NEW YORK still open for business if anyone is interested in moving up.
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Post by lray on Mar 27, 2017 11:32:37 GMT -5
Definitely. McKinley is overrated because of his athleticism. He's talented but he's really raw. Then Tim Williams is just the beneficiary of a ridiculous Bama D. Anderson, Allen & co. do all the hard work causing most of his sacks. That and he's not a 3 down player and has off field issues. Couldn't disagree with you more. Tak's stiff hips are the only thing keeping him out of he top 10. He actually didn't test overly well at combine - which makes your assessment a little suspect. And look, the Tim Williams thing -- yes he's a bonehead, and that in itself has dropped him out of his top 10 spot. But you're grossly mistaken about the credit being all due to Allen/company. IMO. he can thank them for not getting double teamed sure, but that doesn't have any impact on his ability to walk around tackles like they're stuck in mudd I recently reminded myself who Williams was watching A/M, Tennessee etc. Pretty sick. With Takk's athleticism I'm referring to his track career as opposed to his combine results. People were raving about his sprinter speed and athleticism pre-combine and that's still inflating his worth. I think he's a good player don't get me wrong BUT he doesn't compare well to the other top players in this draft at his position. I think those stiff hips are more a case of slow reaction speed and a poor understanding of what's happening on offence. When Tim Williams jumps a snap he looks like an absolute demon but that seems to be all he has in his arsenal. I don't see NFL tackles and coaches having too much trouble dealing with him. Also as I said earlier about his inability to play the run, when the players he's being compared to can play all 3 downs, it just knocks him back. Not "bad" players, just obviously flawed when compared to their counterparts. |
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Post by Paradis on Mar 27, 2017 11:39:57 GMT -5
Couldn't disagree with you more. Tak's stiff hips are the only thing keeping him out of he top 10. He actually didn't test overly well at combine - which makes your assessment a little suspect. And look, the Tim Williams thing -- yes he's a bonehead, and that in itself has dropped him out of his top 10 spot. But you're grossly mistaken about the credit being all due to Allen/company. IMO. he can thank them for not getting double teamed sure, but that doesn't have any impact on his ability to walk around tackles like they're stuck in mudd I recently reminded myself who Williams was watching A/M, Tennessee etc. Pretty sick. With Takk's athleticism I'm referring to his track career as opposed to his combine results. People were raving about his sprinter speed and athleticism pre-combine and that's still inflating his worth. I think he's a good player don't get me wrong BUT he doesn't compare well to the other top players in this draft at his position. I think those stiff hips are more a case of slow reaction speed and a poor understanding of what's happening on offence. When Tim Williams jumps a snap he looks like an absolute demon but that seems to be all he has in his arsenal. I don't see NFL tackles and coaches having too much trouble dealing with him. Also as I said earlier about his inability to play the run, when the players he's being compared to can play all 3 downs, it just knocks him back. Not "bad" players, just obviously flawed when compared to their counterparts. You're splitting hairs with Williams. He gets after a QB and does it very well. That's the reason I'd draft him. If I wanted an all around above average OLB, I'd take Ryan Anderson instead. The ability to get after the QB at OLB is something you either have, or don't. He's got it. |
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Post by lray on Mar 27, 2017 11:44:15 GMT -5
With Takk's athleticism I'm referring to his track career as opposed to his combine results. People were raving about his sprinter speed and athleticism pre-combine and that's still inflating his worth. I think he's a good player don't get me wrong BUT he doesn't compare well to the other top players in this draft at his position. I think those stiff hips are more a case of slow reaction speed and a poor understanding of what's happening on offence. When Tim Williams jumps a snap he looks like an absolute demon but that seems to be all he has in his arsenal. I don't see NFL tackles and coaches having too much trouble dealing with him. Also as I said earlier about his inability to play the run, when the players he's being compared to can play all 3 downs, it just knocks him back. Not "bad" players, just obviously flawed when compared to their counterparts. You're splitting hairs with Williams. He gets after a QB and does it very well. That's the reason I'd draft him. If I wanted an all around above average OLB, I'd take Ryan Anderson instead. The ability to get after the QB at OLB is something you either have, or don't. He's got it. I completely agree. |
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Post by lray on Mar 27, 2017 11:45:02 GMT -5
Still prefer Basham though.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 27, 2017 11:57:12 GMT -5
Wish we could draft Jeff George.
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Post by Paradis on Mar 27, 2017 12:01:09 GMT -5
Lithfan would u be willing to temporarily put on the Jets GM cap while CLE makes an offer? The browns have someone in mind who we don't think will last till the end of round 3, and want to trade up. It's a realistic trading partner and NY has repeatedly stated it's desire to collect picks. If not that's fine.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 27, 2017 12:04:22 GMT -5
Lithfan would u be willing to temporarily put on the Jets GM cap while CLE makes an offer? The browns have someone in mind who we don't think will last till the end of round 3, and want to trade up. It's a realistic trading partner and NY has repeatedly stated it's desire to collect picks. If not that's fine. Paradis -- sorry but one of the rules of the draft is no trading between your two teams. I am not willing to sit in another team's spot to negotiate a trade. |
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