lray
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Post by lray on Mar 29, 2017 8:26:52 GMT -5
Best coverage safety in the draft, but the absolute worst tackler I've ever seen. The next time he takes the correct angle or tries to tackle will be the first time. I saw him purposely miss tackles a few times. Granted he's not a banger but in 4 games of tape I only saw him whiff on 2 tackles and he didn't seem afraid of getting involved. He wraps people up rather than putting them on their ass for sure but I prefer that in a FS. I was really impressed watching him and at no point did I think his tackling was an issue. You might say whiffing on 1/2 a tackle per game isn't good for a safety but I watched Obi Melinfonwu badly miss on a few tackles in 1 game and most people would say tackling is his strong suit. I'd love to see some tape of him purposely missing. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 29, 2017 8:35:07 GMT -5
Webb and Bowser are solid picks - though you paid premium price on Webb. I'd hazard a guess that it'll go down in similar fashion on draft weekend. If you like Webb you're gonna have to go get him. Didn't see enough Conley to be honest. Feels like there should have been better corners? Maybe not. Not familiar with Jones enough yet. Probably means the Jets will take him. Thanks. Right now I think where I selected Webb is considered a reach but come draft day I think he's moving up like most QB's do that have his skillset. Big guy, big arm, accurate but he played in a gimmicky offense. When you asked about your draft, I wanted to take a look at a bit of Webb's tape before commenting. I know that he looked good, especially throwing the deep ball at both the Sr Bowl (2 long TD passes if I recall) and the combine. I took a look at his game tape against Washington. Chose the WA game to take a look at him against NFL caliber players in the secondary. Again, threw a few really nice deep balls for a couple of big plays, not sure if it was Jones or King in coverage, but he dropped the ball in to the receivers in stride. Some beautiful deep throws on the sidelines. On the other hand, I thought his ball placement was off on the intermediate and short stuff and he did not handle pressure very well. Then I read his scouting report on NFL.com, and it is the exact opposite of what I am seeing -- saying he struggles deep especially outside the hashes, but is very accurate within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Handles the blitz well. So what the fuck do I know. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 29, 2017 8:53:56 GMT -5
Best coverage safety in the draft, but the absolute worst tackler I've ever seen. The next time he takes the correct angle or tries to tackle will be the first time. I saw him purposely miss tackles a few times. Granted he's not a banger but in 4 games of tape I only saw him whiff on 2 tackles and he didn't seem afraid of getting involved. He wraps people up rather than putting them on their ass for sure but I prefer that in a FS. I was really impressed watching him and at no point did I think his tackling was an issue. You might say whiffing on 1/2 a tackle per game isn't good for a safety but I watched Obi Melinfonwu badly miss on a few tackles in 1 game and most people would say tackling is his strong suit. I'd love to see some tape of him purposely missing. Idk what tape you were watching then if you only saw him wiff two tackles. I just put his Michigan tape on again and 2:40 in he's already wiffed on two and taken bad angles on a few others. :05 - zero effort to get off blocker. :18 pathetically dives at the feet of Peppers. If #25 wasn't there to also get a piece of him he would have kept going. 1:10 poor effort and gets his ankles broken (wiff #1). 1:52 freezes and allows himself to get blocked instead of making the tackle. 2:13 another pathetic dive at the feet (wiff #2). 4:08 clean shot at the QB and misses (wiff #3). 4:29 another pathetic dive at the feet (wiff #4). 6:43 bad angle and another dive at the feet (wiff #5). 8:23 completely runs himself out of the play and makes zero effort. At 8:30 the announcers show the previous play (8:23) and call him out on his poor effort. On other plays he's easily blocked and does a shit job of trying to get free. Even on tackles he makes he's hesitant and would rather let someone else do the dirty work. With that said if I had a strong secondary I'd still draft him, but with him and Pryor we'd have the worst tackling safeties in the league. |
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lray
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Post by lray on Mar 29, 2017 9:12:09 GMT -5
Hmmmm , I guess I watched him a little more mercifully last week. He made a couple of tackles on TEs and RBs that made me think he's willing. I just thought he didn't try to get off blocks but what's really bothering me is the ankle diving. That seems more like he's faking the effort. I've still got him in my top 5 purely as a deep safety (maybe he could be coached up in the tackle department) but you're right, I wouldn't want him near the LOS.
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Post by Dcat on Mar 29, 2017 9:19:03 GMT -5
Big fan of Skipper True RT who can provide some nice depth and competition for Shell. Man, is he tall! He measures 6'10". Huge. As a tackle, that can work a bit against him; higher center of gravity and all. It will be interesting to see where he goes. He went 107 here and 147 over at JN. |
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Post by beerfish on Mar 29, 2017 9:22:58 GMT -5
The year before this past one I thought Perrine was going to one of the best backs in this draft. He gets hurt too much and seems a bit soft at times but the guy has ability.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 29, 2017 9:23:56 GMT -5
Hmmmm , I guess I watched him a little more mercifully last week. He made a couple of tackles on TEs and RBs that made me think he's willing. I just thought he didn't try to get off blocks but what's really bothering me is the ankle diving. That seems more like he's faking the effort. I've still got him in my top 5 purely as a deep safety (maybe he could be coached up in the tackle department) but you're right, I wouldn't want him near the LOS. Yeah, his effort on tackles pisses me off. Otherwise he'd be one of my favorites. His coverage is elite. I think it's even better than Hookers which is why I'd still take a gamble on him if I had a strong secondary to surround him with. |
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Post by RobR on Mar 29, 2017 9:44:36 GMT -5
Thanks. Right now I think where I selected Webb is considered a reach but come draft day I think he's moving up like most QB's do that have his skillset. Big guy, big arm, accurate but he played in a gimmicky offense. Just one? What are you going to do? Because if you stop drafting QB's from a gimmicky offense then we'll never have new QB's in the league. |
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Post by RobR on Mar 29, 2017 9:48:51 GMT -5
Thanks. Right now I think where I selected Webb is considered a reach but come draft day I think he's moving up like most QB's do that have his skillset. Big guy, big arm, accurate but he played in a gimmicky offense. When you asked about your draft, I wanted to take a look at a bit of Webb's tape before commenting. I know that he looked good, especially throwing the deep ball at both the Sr Bowl (2 long TD passes if I recall) and the combine. I took a look at his game tape against Washington. Chose the WA game to take a look at him against NFL caliber players in the secondary. Again, threw a few really nice deep balls for a couple of big plays, not sure if it was Jones or King in coverage, but he dropped the ball in to the receivers in stride. Some beautiful deep throws on the sidelines. On the other hand, I thought his ball placement was off on the intermediate and short stuff and he did not handle pressure very well. Then I read his scouting report on NFL.com, and it is the exact opposite of what I am seeing -- saying he struggles deep especially outside the hashes, but is very accurate within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Handles the blitz well. So what the fuck do I know. I tend to agree with your assessment. It's also another reason why I never read draft reports and form my own opinion. Remember KRo......he used to write some of those reports and he had no fucking clue what he was looking at. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 29, 2017 9:58:27 GMT -5
When you asked about your draft, I wanted to take a look at a bit of Webb's tape before commenting. I know that he looked good, especially throwing the deep ball at both the Sr Bowl (2 long TD passes if I recall) and the combine. I took a look at his game tape against Washington. Chose the WA game to take a look at him against NFL caliber players in the secondary. Again, threw a few really nice deep balls for a couple of big plays, not sure if it was Jones or King in coverage, but he dropped the ball in to the receivers in stride. Some beautiful deep throws on the sidelines. On the other hand, I thought his ball placement was off on the intermediate and short stuff and he did not handle pressure very well. Then I read his scouting report on NFL.com, and it is the exact opposite of what I am seeing -- saying he struggles deep especially outside the hashes, but is very accurate within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Handles the blitz well. So what the fuck do I know. I tend to agree with your assessment. It's also another reason why I never read draft reports and form my own opinion. Remember KRo......he used to write some of those reports and he had no fucking clue what he was looking at. I will read scouting reports either after I have watched a bit of a player and formed an opinion, usually to see if I agree with the so-called experts. Another time that I read scouting reports is when the player I want is taken a few picks before me (Anzalone in the last round) and i have no idea who to take and no time to evaluate prospects on my own. Thats how I ended up picking Jalen Myrick and I immediately had buyer's remorse. I knew he looked good at the Shrine Game and blew up the combine with his athleticism, then I read his scouting report on CBS.com and decided to take him. Now I think I probably took him about a round too early with a couple of better CBs on the board. May cost me that non-existent hat this year. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 29, 2017 10:01:06 GMT -5
When you asked about your draft, I wanted to take a look at a bit of Webb's tape before commenting. I know that he looked good, especially throwing the deep ball at both the Sr Bowl (2 long TD passes if I recall) and the combine. I took a look at his game tape against Washington. Chose the WA game to take a look at him against NFL caliber players in the secondary. Again, threw a few really nice deep balls for a couple of big plays, not sure if it was Jones or King in coverage, but he dropped the ball in to the receivers in stride. Some beautiful deep throws on the sidelines. On the other hand, I thought his ball placement was off on the intermediate and short stuff and he did not handle pressure very well. Then I read his scouting report on NFL.com, and it is the exact opposite of what I am seeing -- saying he struggles deep especially outside the hashes, but is very accurate within 10-15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Handles the blitz well. So what the fuck do I know. I tend to agree with your assessment. It's also another reason why I never read draft reports and form my own opinion. Remember KRo......he used to write some of those reports and he had no fucking clue what he was looking at. Those TE comparisons were sooooo fucking bad that they were funny. Then he got pissy when people disagreed with him. He even accused me of following and harrassing him on JI which I didn't. I can't believe he got a job. Part of me thinks he was just an intern and was lying about it. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 29, 2017 10:54:32 GMT -5
Edler and Howard are two of my favorite mid round CB prospects. I'd love to grab Witherspoon in the 2nd and one of those two in the 4th.
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Post by Touchable on Mar 29, 2017 11:00:34 GMT -5
Edler and Howard are two of my favorite mid round CB prospects. I'd love to grab Witherspoon in the 2nd and one of those two in the 4th. I love Elder He along with Kazee may be undersized, but I love their scrappiness. I came into this draft with the priority of improving the Titans secondary and adding a few weapons for Mariota. I'm satisfied so far. Adams, Kazee and Elder sure as hell aren't going to shrink away when it comes to defending the run. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 29, 2017 11:04:37 GMT -5
Edler and Howard are two of my favorite mid round CB prospects. I'd love to grab Witherspoon in the 2nd and one of those two in the 4th. Sorry I did not take Elder at 4-10 when I took Myrick instead.  |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Mar 29, 2017 11:05:22 GMT -5
Edler and Howard are two of my favorite mid round CB prospects. I'd love to grab Witherspoon in the 2nd and one of those two in the 4th. I love Elder He along with Kazee may be undersized, but I love their scrappiness. I came into this draft with the priority of improving the Titans secondary and adding a few weapons for Mariota. I'm satisfied so far. Adams, Kazee and Elder sure as hell aren't going to shrink away when it comes to defending the run. Hell I'd love it if the Jets drafted all three of those players. All 3 of them are leaders too. |
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