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Post by JStokes on Sept 16, 2017 23:26:47 GMT -5
Gorgeous TD toss one play into OT.
Geez.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 17, 2017 0:09:13 GMT -5
Darnold is head and shoulders the best QB prospect. Josh Rosen is pretty far behind because he seems to lack instincts as to when it is OK to take a chance. Even with that though Rosen is still my #2 and IMO a far better prospect than the rest. Falk is #3 right now. And I wouldn't spend a first round pick on any of the others based on their play so far this season.
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Post by Paradis on Sept 17, 2017 1:13:30 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on Darnold is head and shoulders the best QB prospect. Josh Rosen is pretty far behind cause he seems to lack instincts as to when it is OK to take a chance. |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 17, 2017 6:50:54 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on Darnold is head and shoulders the best QB prospect. Josh Rosen is pretty far behind cause he seems to lack instincts as to when it is OK to take a chance.I tend to agree that Darnold isn't head and shoulders above Rosen right now. People react too much on a week to week basis with this stuff. I still take Darnold over Rosen but it's not this huge gap between them. You give Rosen the running game, O line and receivers that USC has, and people wouldn't be making such claims. But your boy Lamar last night, he's still showing why I can't take him seriously as a legit NFL prospect. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 17, 2017 7:37:51 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on Darnold is head and shoulders the best QB prospect. Josh Rosen is pretty far behind cause he seems to lack instincts as to when it is OK to take a chance.Maybe not. But Darnold had very little help from his offense. But despite many dropped passes and constant pressure in the pocket, he kept his head, didn't throw any ill advised passes, avoided rushers will keeping his eyes down the field and he ran the 2 minute (really 40 second) offense like an all pro. I really don't think Darnold played poorly in his first game. Even if it was a subpar game, if that's what his bad games look like, I'll take it. They are few and far between, and in the great games... Whoa Nelly! Anyway, my opinion is based on the view that Darnold has a higher "floor" than Rosen. I believe they have similar "ceilings". |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 17, 2017 7:41:00 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on I tend to agree that Darnold isn't head and shoulders above Rosen right now. People react too much on a week to week basis with this stuff. I still take Darnold over Rosen but it's not this huge gap between them. You give Rosen the running game, O line and receivers that USC has, and people wouldn't be making such claims. But your boy Lamar last night, he's still showing why I can't take him seriously as a legit NFL prospect. My boy Lamar? |
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Post by sec.101row23 on Sept 17, 2017 7:42:06 GMT -5
I tend to agree that Darnold isn't head and shoulders above Rosen right now. People react too much on a week to week basis with this stuff. I still take Darnold over Rosen but it's not this huge gap between them. You give Rosen the running game, O line and receivers that USC has, and people wouldn't be making such claims. But your boy Lamar last night, he's still showing why I can't take him seriously as a legit NFL prospect. My boy Lamar? I wasn't responding to you. |
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 17, 2017 7:47:19 GMT -5
I wasn't responding to you. Oh, my bad. It's tough to read this shit on my phone. |
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Post by Lithfan on Sept 17, 2017 8:32:17 GMT -5
What I liked about both guys -- Darnold and Rosen (and I am not ready to pick one over the other just yet) -- is that they are doing it under duress. They are not getting clean pockets, they don't have wide open receivers with huge windows to throw to. Rosen is constantly running for his life behind that sieve of an OL at UCLA, and Darnold was under a ton of pressure from the Texas front 7. Yet both guys, in less than ideal circumstances, made plays and show that they can make NFL caliber throws.
I am always a little bit leary of the QB who gets to stand in a clean pocket most of the year and throw to wide open receivers. I call in the Leinart syndrome. What could you possibly take from Mason Rudolph's performance last night. Standing in a clean pocket, hitting wide open receivers -- that is not what NFL QB play is about. He did make a couple of really nice throws -- throwing receivers open on a couple of occasions, but most of the huge numbers he put up yesterday were pretty easy.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 17, 2017 9:00:15 GMT -5
Despite having arguably the best physical tools in the class, I think Josh Allen is probably not a top 5 prospect in this class right now. He just hasn't made the jump many were expecting him to make. Ideally, he will be a day 2 pick in the draft and sit behind a vet QB for a couple of years.
2 new names to add to the QB derby: Nick Fitzgerald out of MSU and Drew Lock from Mizzou. I'm going to find some tape of theirs to post.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 17, 2017 9:01:49 GMT -5
Drew Lock
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Post by JStokes on Sept 17, 2017 9:41:04 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on Darnold is head and shoulders the best QB prospect. Josh Rosen is pretty far behind cause he seems to lack instincts as to when it is OK to take a chance.I wasn't a huge Rosen fan coming into this year-mostly about the potential personality issues but as a player he has completely grown on me. I actually think they are pretty neck and neck at this point. Like you said it's week to week. Some weeks I have Rosen ahead, some weeks Darnold. Hell even half to half its changing. This is shaping up to be a Winston (Darnold) v Mariota (Rosen) type draft. Different players but both franchise type QBs. _ |
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Post by Paradis on Sept 17, 2017 10:07:26 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on I tend to agree that Darnold isn't head and shoulders above Rosen right now. People react too much on a week to week basis with this stuff. I still take Darnold over Rosen but it's not this huge gap between them. You give Rosen the running game, O line and receivers that USC has, and people wouldn't be making such claims. But your boy Lamar last night, he's still showing why I can't take him seriously as a legit NFL prospect. I have figured who i like more, or if i ever will. Lots of football left, but this shaping up to be a pick your poison with no wrong answer scenario. Dunno if LJ was my boi! ...but yea i've been vocal about his being underrated and deserved to be looked at in these conversations... yesterday was a recalibration on that front. Clemson owned his ass... but his team didn't show up. Like you said, you put LJ into USC's offense with their Oline and WRs... don't think it's quite so one-sided. |
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Post by Paradis on Sept 17, 2017 10:18:59 GMT -5
You sound crazy. Far behind? when to take a chance?.. did you ERASE two weeks ago from you memory... Beyond that, Rosen has played more consistently, hands down. Look they're both legit franchise prospects. but you take the inflated 50+ attempts and 4th quarter star wars stuff -- and look at both thru an NFL lense? 30-35 attempts, games not running up into the 40 burgers? Cmon.... Is someone going to seriously tell me that Darnold can read defenses better than Rosen at this point? I'm just saying, it's nowhere near as black and white as you're letting on Maybe not. But Darnold had very little help from his offense. But despite many dropped passes and constant pressure in the pocket, he kept his head, didn't throw any ill advised passes, avoided rushers will keeping his eyes down the field and he ran the 2 minute (really 40 second) offense like an all pro. I really don't think Darnold played poorly in his first game. Even if it was a subpar game, if that's what his bad games look like, I'll take it. They are few and far between, and in the great games... Whoa Nelly! Anyway, my opinion is based on the view that Darnold has a higher "floor" than Rosen. I believe they have similar "ceilings". I hear you, and even in rough spots, Darnold still demonstrates NFL tangibles. Off-field/mental stuff aside with Rosen, i feel i know what i'm getting with him, more so than Darnold - at this point. No rush to get to the end of this thing, lots of good ball left. |
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Post by ryu79 on Sept 17, 2017 10:23:14 GMT -5
Despite having arguably the best physical tools in the class, I think Josh Allen is probably not a top 5 prospect in this class right now. He just hasn't made the jump many were expecting him to make. Ideally, he will be a day 2 pick in the draft and sit behind a vet QB for a couple of years. 2 new names to add to the QB derby: Nick Fitzgerald out of MSU and Drew Lock from Mizzou. I'm going to find some tape of theirs to post. I just feel so bad for Allen. While Rosen is operating with less talent than Darnold (although CHRIST, USC could catch nothing last night and game shouldnt of been close), Wyoming is giving Allen nothing to work with, he has no time, they can't run and he has no open receivers ever. You add in the hype and opposing Ds eager to hit the hero and the kid is getting lit up every couple of minutes. Tough to watch as he seems like a great kid, has great escapability and his arm is terrific - like that he keeps eyes downfield too but his stock is way down for now. Agree with consensus here that Rosen and Darnold are cut above and a ton of fun to watch. Im worried Rosen is gonna get hurt with that o-line... |
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