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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 7, 2017 10:17:48 GMT -5
Glad to see you guys are finally catching up.
At this point I think we are more likely to go into a 10 year spiral than we are to bounce back in a couple of years. Browns, Raiders, Lions type futility. Heck, its already been 6 years without the playoffs. Tied for longest drought since the 70s. No end in sight.
Sure it can all change with a QB but we haven't had one in 50 years.
Cheers.
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Post by JStokes on Jun 7, 2017 10:35:30 GMT -5
I'm not as down on the entire roster as most, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
I like our interior d-line, I'm willing to give Lee a chance this year, I like Jenkins but I think we need more LBs (not sure Mauldin is anything). Not a great or deep group but some talent.
And depending on how the safeties work out, I'm not that down in the secondary. I really like Burress, Claiborne is servicable, and if Clark is healthy, he would have been a much higher draft pick and has great size for a press CB.
Pass rush has been an issue since Abe.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jun 7, 2017 10:49:44 GMT -5
3 years into a rebuild? According to who? More like 3 months.
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Post by chrebet80 on Jun 7, 2017 10:52:38 GMT -5
I'm not as down on the entire roster as most, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I like our interior d-line, I'm willing to give Lee a chance this year, I like Jenkins but I think we need more LBs (not sure Mauldin is anything). Not a great or deep group but some talent. And depending on how the safeties work out, I'm not that down in the secondary. I really like Burress, Claiborne is servicable, and if Clark is healthy, he would have been a much higher draft pick and has great size for a press CB. Pass rush has been an issue since Abe. _ I don't know man. I don't see the same talent. Our d line would be our strength, but there overrated. Leo is awesome. Wilkerson has no heart, and Sheldon is a head case. Also teams just get the ball out of the qbs hands quickly and that negates our pass rush Our lbers are atrocious. Jenkins flashed potential, but Lee and maudlin have been major dissapointments this far. And I don't see things getting better for Lee. I think he gets exposed big time this year. And Demario Davis, we all thought would get cut, is our starter. Our CB's are all question marks. Claiborne will be injured by week 6, buster skrine is average at best. I happen to like Burress, but at this point he has accomplished absolutely nothing. Safeties are 2 rookies, and I expect them to have some hiccups this year. Who is the veteran leader. Who holds the young guys accountable, and teach them how to practice and play like a pro. With how bad the offense will be this year, the defense will be on the field more than ever.
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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 7, 2017 10:53:19 GMT -5
3 years into a rebuild? According to who? More like 3 months. Some feel we have been rebuilding since Namath.
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Post by JStokes on Jun 7, 2017 10:57:23 GMT -5
I'm not as down on the entire roster as most, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I like our interior d-line, I'm willing to give Lee a chance this year, I like Jenkins but I think we need more LBs (not sure Mauldin is anything). Not a great or deep group but some talent. And depending on how the safeties work out, I'm not that down in the secondary. I really like Burress, Claiborne is servicable, and if Clark is healthy, he would have been a much higher draft pick and has great size for a press CB. Pass rush has been an issue since Abe. _ I don't know man. I don't see the same talent. Our d line would be our strength, but there overrated. Leo is awesome. Wilkerson has no heart, and Sheldon is a head case. Also teams just get the ball out of the qbs hands quickly and that negates our pass rush Our lbers are atrocious. Jenkins flashed potential, but Lee and maudlin have been major dissapointments this far. And I don't see things getting better for Lee. I think he gets exposed big time this year. And Demario Davis, we all thought would get cut, is our starter. Our CB's are all question marks. Claiborne will be injured by week 6, buster skrine is average at best. I happen to like Burress, but at this point he has accomplished absolutely nothing. Safeties are 2 rookies, and I expect them to have some hiccups this year. Who is the veteran leader. Who holds the young guys accountable, and teach them how to practice and play like a pro. With how bad the offense will be this year, the defense will be on the field more than ever. I'm trying to be partially positive. I'm hoping the defense surprises and we lose every game 6-3. _
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jun 7, 2017 11:09:57 GMT -5
Totally... i'm not saying the minuses were end of the world... the additions needed for a rebuild tho, are absent. Which means we're just stripping paint. If he would have just gone with popular vote, this is what our roster would look like 2015: Leo Williams DE Preston Smith (edge) John Miller OG 2016: Paxton Lynch QB Tyler Boyd WR Kyler Fackrell OLB 2017: Adams S Cook RB Garcia OT It's not that hard. Really. Exactly. I've only seen moronic GMs take the same position in the first 2 rounds - idiot Kotite when he was acting GM took keyshawn in rd 1 and alex van dyke in rd 2 (over tony brakens). He just seems to be missing on ALOT of picks, important, high picks. Can't do that and build a strong roster in this league. Cook was the pick in rd 2 this year. A potential game changing RB who would make the offense better and more dynamic and take pressure off a young QB. Instead we have dick at WR, old crap at RB, no QB, etc. But, macc is too blind, deaf and dumb. It's at the point where who really gives a crap. That's how bad it is. Yeah that draft were the Jets took Ferguson and Mangold with their first two picks really set the franchise back. Or when they took Ellis and Abraham back to back. I'm sure there are no other examples though, proving your insightful point.
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Post by chrebet80 on Jun 7, 2017 11:16:11 GMT -5
The scary part of the tank is that our roster is so epically bad that darnold and rosen will stay in school. Why leave and go to the jets where you have no shot to succeed.
Peyton manning all over again
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jun 7, 2017 11:25:05 GMT -5
Exactly. I've only seen moronic GMs take the same position in the first 2 rounds - idiot Kotite when he was acting GM took keyshawn in rd 1 and alex van dyke in rd 2 (over tony brakens). He just seems to be missing on ALOT of picks, important, high picks. Can't do that and build a strong roster in this league. Cook was the pick in rd 2 this year. A potential game changing RB who would make the offense better and more dynamic and take pressure off a young QB. Instead we have dick at WR, old crap at RB, no QB, etc. But, macc is too blind, deaf and dumb. It's at the point where who really gives a crap. That's how bad it is. Yeah that draft were the Jets took Ferguson and Mangold with their first two picks really set the franchise back. Or when they took Ellis and Abraham back to back. I'm sure there are no other examples though, proving your insightful point. RG and C are different than taking S and S. In the Ellis/ Abraham draft the Jets had 4 first round picks providing them that luxury.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jun 7, 2017 11:30:24 GMT -5
3 years into a rebuild? According to who? More like 3 months. The problem is, is that we should have started the rebuild 3 years ago not 3 months ago. That's why we're back to where we started. Probably even worse than before.
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Post by yankeejet22 on Jun 7, 2017 11:33:11 GMT -5
Yeah that draft were the Jets took Ferguson and Mangold with their first two picks really set the franchise back. Or when they took Ellis and Abraham back to back. I'm sure there are no other examples though, proving your insightful point. RG and C are different than taking S and S. In the Ellis/ Abraham draft the Jets had 4 first round picks providing them that luxury. I try and ignore you because you're such an asshole jerkoff, but I'll respond. I once thought the same thing about drafting Safeties high in the draft, but times have changed. This is a passing league and you need above average Safety play to combat that style of offense. So if they're both really good, who cares that they were picks 1&2?
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jun 7, 2017 11:40:41 GMT -5
RG and C are different than taking S and S. In the Ellis/ Abraham draft the Jets had 4 first round picks providing them that luxury. I try and ignore you because you're such an asshole jerkoff, but I'll respond. I once thought the same thing about drafting Safeties high in the draft, but times have changed. This is a passing league and you need above average Safety play to combat that style of offense. So if they're both really good, who cares that they were picks 1&2? Fuck off. Glad you love the draft and this roster. Someone has too I guess. You do not take safties in rd. 1 and 2 when you have a million other needs to address as well (especially on offense). Just utter and complete stupidity. But whatever, I don't give a flying fuck actually.
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Post by JStokes on Jun 7, 2017 11:43:35 GMT -5
The scary part of the tank is that our roster is so epically bad that darnold and rosen will stay in school. Why leave and go to the jets where you have no shot to succeed. Peyton manning all over again Luke Falk and Josh Allen are seniors. Can't see them taking a year off to avoid the Jets. _
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jun 7, 2017 11:48:17 GMT -5
3 years into a rebuild? According to who? More like 3 months. The problem is, is that we should have started the rebuild 3 years ago not 3 months ago. That's why we're back to where we started. Probably even worse than before. Totally agree there. Should have been done 3 years ago. But it wasn't, so I have a tough time buying the dread that we are "this far" into a rebuild and have "nothing" to show. That's not to say Mac has been crushing the draft, but it's not apples to apples to compare drafting for a team in complete teardown mode vs a team that was trying to contend. Not saying you are saying they are, or said the other stuff, just speaking in general.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on Jun 7, 2017 11:49:32 GMT -5
Yeah that draft were the Jets took Ferguson and Mangold with their first two picks really set the franchise back. Or when they took Ellis and Abraham back to back. I'm sure there are no other examples though, proving your insightful point. RG and C are different than taking S and S. In the Ellis/ Abraham draft the Jets had 4 first round picks providing them that luxury. FS and SS aren't the same position, spanky. I suspect you know that though.
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