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Post by Trades on Jun 24, 2017 8:22:58 GMT -5
People should read "The Art of the Deal". It gives a totally different perspective on the things Trump says. He isn't an idiot. He is playing everyone. As for the con artist, greedy nonsense. He is a human being. He has pros and cons, flaws and features just like all of us. If you believe the media narrative of the past 2 years he is a greedy monster. If you look at what they said about him for the 30 years before that then maybe you can see he isn't a bad guy. The media loved him before he came out as a republican Hillary crusher. Where do you think the truth lies? There were interviews in the 80s and 90s where the MSM were hoping he would run for president. The government has changed a lot since then. For example politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/12/26/that-time-when-donald-trump-saved-a-georgia-farm/ |
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Post by southparkcpa on Jun 24, 2017 15:37:14 GMT -5
People should read "The Art of the Deal". It gives a totally different perspective on the things Trump says. He isn't an idiot. He is playing everyone. As for the con artist, greedy nonsense. He is a human being. He has pros and cons, flaws and features just like all of us. If you believe the media narrative of the past 2 years he is a greedy monster. If you look at what they said about him for the 30 years before that then maybe you can see he isn't a bad guy. The media loved him before he came out as a republican Hillary crusher. Where do you think the truth lies? There were interviews in the 80s and 90s where the MSM were hoping he would run for president. The government has changed a lot since then. For example politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/12/26/that-time-when-donald-trump-saved-a-georgia-farm/ I read that book MANY years ago and absolutely recommended it to clients. Great insight to how a "get it done" businessman thinks. He is easy to ridicule, no doubt. BUT any NYer should pause and think about the Ice Rink, what his 1st hotel was before he took it over etc. I cant think of any politician who can or has done more for their constituents than TRUMP and he is not even near perfect. 32G's post above is spot on. The vacuum created by our politicians allowed TRUMP in the door. From my vantage point, as a child of welfare, food stamps and free lunch I can tell you 1st hand, government handouts help politicians more than the poor. The only thing that got me out of poverty was education, a job, a mentor and then working 60 hours a week without worrying about overtime. I simply wanted to get good at a profession. |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jun 24, 2017 16:15:30 GMT -5
I thought this thread was about Comey and the title was More lies from the leaker. He was spotted going into the NY Times yesterday.
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Post by Frank Reynolds on Jun 24, 2017 18:09:18 GMT -5
Once again, Hillary or Obama. Question for the Trumpsters. How do you feel about being lied to, over and over again? Does it at least bother you on some level? Or is your attitude just, fuck it. It doesn't affect me personally? I'm genuinely interested in your answers. I love how when he speaks he makes liberals more crazier than they already are. It's my favoritist thing in the whole world. Trump loves to drive them mad. Someone explained it the other day on the news by comarparing trump to this kinda guy: "So, an Irishman walks down the street and sees two guys fighting. He asks both - so, is this a private fight or can anyone join?" That's trump. A fighter. He loves it. And we finally have someone on our side who will smack the liberbal louts in the mouth. Each and every day. So our president is basically a troll. Great. |
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Post by JStokes on Jun 24, 2017 18:09:40 GMT -5
I heard a dog bit a man today.
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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Jun 24, 2017 19:59:27 GMT -5
I love how when he speaks he makes liberals more crazier than they already are. It's my favoritist thing in the whole world. Trump loves to drive them mad. Someone explained it the other day on the news by comarparing trump to this kinda guy: "So, an Irishman walks down the street and sees two guys fighting. He asks both - so, is this a private fight or can anyone join?" That's trump. A fighter. He loves it. And we finally have someone on our side who will smack the liberbal louts in the mouth. Each and every day. So our president is basically a troll. Great. A troll is better than the witch! |
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Post by bxjetfan on Jun 24, 2017 23:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by Hotman on Jun 25, 2017 7:00:02 GMT -5
So our president is basically a troll. Great. A troll is better than the witch! way more entertaining thats for sure lol |
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Post by maury77 on Jun 25, 2017 8:27:03 GMT -5
Courtesy of Robert Reich....here are the latest lies from the Oval Office. Trump’s rally last night in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, was filled with lies. Now that he's doing more rallies and fewer press conferences, his lies must be countered with the truth. 1. Trump said he is pushing repeal of the federal estate tax so “farms can be passed on” to farmers’ children and grandchildren. Baloney. The estate tax falls on fewer than one-half of 1 percent of farm estates. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates that only 50 farms and closely held businesses will pay any estate tax in 2017. All are multimillion-dollar farms. Only estates worth $5.45 million or more must file a return, and most of them don’t owe any tax. For those who do owe tax, the Tax Policy Center estimates that the average effective rate would be 20 percent — with the option of spreading payments over 14 years. 2. Trump said “all” insurance companies have “fled the state of Iowa” and that “they’re leaving all of the states.” Rubbish. Health insurer Medica Health announced Monday it would stay in the Iowa market statewide. As of June 21, there were just 44 counties in 3 states (Ohio, Missouri and Washington) in any danger of losing health insurers. But insurer Centene now says it will expand coverage in these states. Note also that the major reason given by insurance companies for leaving the Affordable Care Act is uncertainty from the Trump administration about whether it will continue to subsidize low-income enrollees. 3. Trump claimed he has reversed the trend of coal mining job losses because of his rollback of coal regulations, and pointed to the opening of a new coal mine in Pennsylvania as evidence that his policies have led to a resurgence in coal mining. Utter nonsense. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, nearly 40,000 coal mining jobs have been lost over the last 5 years. Since January, a minuscule 1,000 new coal mining jobs have been added, largely due to the opening of the Corsa Coal Company’s Acosta Deep Mine near Pittsburgh on June 8. But that had nothing to do Trump. The development of the Acosta mine began 2 months before his election victory. Also, the Acosta mine produces a type of coal used to make steel, a niche market in the coal industry, and the opening was due to problems mining such coal overseas. The vast majority of coal produced in the U.S. is thermal coal, used to generate electricity, whose consumption has declined by nearly 18 percent between 2012 and 2016 due to the surge in cheaper natural gas production driven by the shale revolution and to competition from renewable energy. 4. Trump touted his decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, which he said would have been an economic “catastrophe” for the U.S. He's lying. The Paris agreement was on the way to stimulating renewable energy in the U.S. Now, China is about to take the lead on renewables. And failure to control carbon in the planet's atmosphere will be an economic, political, and social catastrophe. The agreement, which took effect last year, was signed by 195 countries and aims to keep warming “well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels” and to pursue “efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C.” Trump's removal of the U.S. from that agreement is shameful and destructive. 5. Trump said he proposed a new law to bar new immigrants from receiving welfare for five years. More rubbish. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, signed into law in 1996 by then-president Bill Clinton, already does that. It states that immigrants are “not eligible for any Federal means-tested public benefit for a period of 5 years beginning on the date of the alien’s entry into the United States.” That would include such benefits as food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security. By this point, anyone who believes what comes out of Trump's mouth is either a knave or a fool.What do you think? I think that Trump supporters just don't care that he lies, its extraordinarily apparent. 1. Regarding the above, most people will receive no benefit from the estate tax being except single people owning 5 million or more (10 million for married couples with some planning). This will make the deficit bigger, but the same deficit hawks who constantly complain about poor people receiving benefits won't say shit. I'd be surprised if more than 2 people in that crowd received a benefit from the repeal of the estate tax. 2. Republicans have helped to sabotage the ACA (which has inherent problems on its own). The Senate bill is essentially "Obamacare lite" (Rand Paul's words, not mine), with a dollop of tax cuts for the wealthy. It makes insurance cheaper for healthy people by stripping some benefits for others. It's akin to giving you a discount on a car by selling it to you without tires or a steering wheel. Democrats, meanwhile, have no message other than Trump Sucks or The Resistance. ACA is their baby and they should be responsible with coming up with a solution to fix the problems with ACA. Come up with a solution and start marketing it. 3. While Trump is crowing about his "creation" of coal jobs, Amazon bought Whole Foods this week in yet another example of how the job market is going to continue to change. Retail employees are losing jobs by the truck load and neither party is really doing a good job of proposing how to address what is going to be a bigger problem moving forward (I have no fucking idea what the solution is going to look like). 4. Regarding the Paris Climate Deal, I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said. 5. Regarding PRWORA, someone said that law wasn't being enforced, which is horseshit. I file a lot of Medicaid applications for my job and one of the first documents requested on the application has always been a request for proof of citizenship. |
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Post by Raoul Duke on Jun 26, 2017 6:59:42 GMT -5
Rumors Justice Kennedy is retiring soon. Tell Reich to save some for the next bottle.  Who drinks out of a bottle with a straw? |
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Post by DDNYjets on Jun 26, 2017 7:07:03 GMT -5
Rumors Justice Kennedy is retiring soon. Tell Reich to save some for the next bottle. Who drinks out of a bottle with a straw? the person who they used for the photoshop apparently |
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Post by flushingjet on Jun 26, 2017 12:18:04 GMT -5
Courtesy of Robert Reich....here are the latest lies from the Oval Office. Trump’s rally last night in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, was filled with lies. Now that he's doing more rallies and fewer press conferences, his lies must be countered with the truth. 1. Trump said he is pushing repeal of the federal estate tax so “farms can be passed on” to farmers’ children and grandchildren. Baloney. The estate tax falls on fewer than one-half of 1 percent of farm estates. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimates that only 50 farms and closely held businesses will pay any estate tax in 2017. All are multimillion-dollar farms. Only estates worth $5.45 million or more must file a return, and most of them don’t owe any tax. For those who do owe tax, the Tax Policy Center estimates that the average effective rate would be 20 percent — with the option of spreading payments over 14 years. 2. Trump said “all” insurance companies have “fled the state of Iowa” and that “they’re leaving all of the states.” Rubbish. Health insurer Medica Health announced Monday it would stay in the Iowa market statewide. As of June 21, there were just 44 counties in 3 states (Ohio, Missouri and Washington) in any danger of losing health insurers. But insurer Centene now says it will expand coverage in these states. Note also that the major reason given by insurance companies for leaving the Affordable Care Act is uncertainty from the Trump administration about whether it will continue to subsidize low-income enrollees. 3. Trump claimed he has reversed the trend of coal mining job losses because of his rollback of coal regulations, and pointed to the opening of a new coal mine in Pennsylvania as evidence that his policies have led to a resurgence in coal mining. Utter nonsense. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, nearly 40,000 coal mining jobs have been lost over the last 5 years. Since January, a minuscule 1,000 new coal mining jobs have been added, largely due to the opening of the Corsa Coal Company’s Acosta Deep Mine near Pittsburgh on June 8. But that had nothing to do Trump. The development of the Acosta mine began 2 months before his election victory. Also, the Acosta mine produces a type of coal used to make steel, a niche market in the coal industry, and the opening was due to problems mining such coal overseas. The vast majority of coal produced in the U.S. is thermal coal, used to generate electricity, whose consumption has declined by nearly 18 percent between 2012 and 2016 due to the surge in cheaper natural gas production driven by the shale revolution and to competition from renewable energy. 4. Trump touted his decision to withdraw from the Paris Agreement, which he said would have been an economic “catastrophe” for the U.S. He's lying. The Paris agreement was on the way to stimulating renewable energy in the U.S. Now, China is about to take the lead on renewables. And failure to control carbon in the planet's atmosphere will be an economic, political, and social catastrophe. The agreement, which took effect last year, was signed by 195 countries and aims to keep warming “well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels” and to pursue “efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C.” Trump's removal of the U.S. from that agreement is shameful and destructive. 5. Trump said he proposed a new law to bar new immigrants from receiving welfare for five years. More rubbish. The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, signed into law in 1996 by then-president Bill Clinton, already does that. It states that immigrants are “not eligible for any Federal means-tested public benefit for a period of 5 years beginning on the date of the alien’s entry into the United States.” That would include such benefits as food stamps, Medicaid and Social Security. By this point, anyone who believes what comes out of Trump's mouth is either a knave or a fool.What do you think? I think that Trump supporters just don't care that he lies, its extraordinarily apparent. 1. Regarding the above, most people will receive no benefit from the estate tax being except single people owning 5 million or more (10 million for married couples with some planning). This will make the deficit bigger, but the same deficit hawks who constantly complain about poor people receiving benefits won't say shit. I'd be surprised if more than 2 people in that crowd received a benefit from the repeal of the estate tax. 2. Republicans have helped to sabotage the ACA (which has inherent problems on its own). The Senate bill is essentially "Obamacare lite" (Rand Paul's words, not mine), with a dollop of tax cuts for the wealthy. It makes insurance cheaper for healthy people by stripping some benefits for others. It's akin to giving you a discount on a car by selling it to you without tires or a steering wheel. Democrats, meanwhile, have no message other than Trump Sucks or The Resistance. ACA is their baby and they should be responsible with coming up with a solution to fix the problems with ACA. Come up with a solution and start marketing it. 3. While Trump is crowing about his "creation" of coal jobs, Amazon bought Whole Foods this week in yet another example of how the job market is going to continue to change. Retail employees are losing jobs by the truck load and neither party is really doing a good job of proposing how to address what is going to be a bigger problem moving forward (I have no fucking idea what the solution is going to look like). 4. Regarding the Paris Climate Deal, I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said. 5. Regarding PRWORA, someone said that law wasn't being enforced, which is horseshit. I file a lot of Medicaid applications for my job and one of the first documents requested on the application has always been a request for proof of citizenship. Rollback is a bitch, ain't it? Cloward-Pivening the country in the name of multi-cultural, moral-relativist, globalist Communism is coming to an end As usual when they BS their way into power (D) uses it to break what wasn't broken Rip off taxpayers, diminish our country and the quality of life for all for the benefit of the upper 1% and 1-5% chunks of society divided by identity politics at the expense of the other 70% Why should there be an estate tax of any kind when you've been paying taxes at escalating brackets all along? Republicans had no input into ACA. Premiums for normal people have doubled, tripled with deductibles also increased exponentially-for whom? So preexisting condition people who mismanaged their lives (smoking, morbid obesity) can get underpriced coverage? So kiddies who should be on their own can latch onto mommy and daddy until middle age? So Medicaid leeches, especially the millions of illegals, can sponge even more? Paris Climate Deal? It is to laugh. "Climate change" aka weather is unmanageable and most if not all "scientific" data has been faked. No need to pay billions that will be pissed away while China and India endlessly foul their own nests. Retail will never die completely, but the shift you see is due to lots of factors. Overbuilding of malls, Internet commerce, operating Margins of all kinds (wages, taxes, goods), business practices. If it retailing needs control, which it doesn't, why didn't the previous regime in 8 years do anything about it? What of Amazon/Whole Foods? Is Whole Foods a store for all, with all types of goods and price points? Medicaid fraud is rampant, even one of our Pravdas says so: www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/happens-states-go-hunting-medicaid-fraud/ |
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Post by quantum on Jun 26, 2017 12:35:55 GMT -5
Once again, Hillary or Obama. Question for the Trumpsters. How do you feel about being lied to, over and over again? Does it at least bother you on some level? Or is your attitude just, fuck it. It doesn't affect me personally? I'm genuinely interested in your answers. He can stay in bed from now until 2024 and I am certain I will be better off than I would have been with Hillary. this, FTHFW (for the huuuuge fucking win) |
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Post by quantum on Jun 26, 2017 12:38:52 GMT -5
I love how when he speaks he makes liberals more crazier than they already are. It's my favoritist thing in the whole world. Trump loves to drive them mad. Someone explained it the other day on the news by comarparing trump to this kinda guy: "So, an Irishman walks down the street and sees two guys fighting. He asks both - so, is this a private fight or can anyone join?" That's trump. A fighter. He loves it. And we finally have someone on our side who will smack the liberbal louts in the mouth. Each and every day. So our president is basically a troll. Great. well, possibly the greatest troll that ever trolled troll-worthy dooshnozzles. so there's that, which is nice. |
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Post by maury77 on Jun 30, 2017 5:56:30 GMT -5
I think that Trump supporters just don't care that he lies, its extraordinarily apparent. 1. Regarding the above, most people will receive no benefit from the estate tax being except single people owning 5 million or more (10 million for married couples with some planning). This will make the deficit bigger, but the same deficit hawks who constantly complain about poor people receiving benefits won't say shit. I'd be surprised if more than 2 people in that crowd received a benefit from the repeal of the estate tax. 2. Republicans have helped to sabotage the ACA (which has inherent problems on its own). The Senate bill is essentially "Obamacare lite" (Rand Paul's words, not mine), with a dollop of tax cuts for the wealthy. It makes insurance cheaper for healthy people by stripping some benefits for others. It's akin to giving you a discount on a car by selling it to you without tires or a steering wheel. Democrats, meanwhile, have no message other than Trump Sucks or The Resistance. ACA is their baby and they should be responsible with coming up with a solution to fix the problems with ACA. Come up with a solution and start marketing it. 3. While Trump is crowing about his "creation" of coal jobs, Amazon bought Whole Foods this week in yet another example of how the job market is going to continue to change. Retail employees are losing jobs by the truck load and neither party is really doing a good job of proposing how to address what is going to be a bigger problem moving forward (I have no fucking idea what the solution is going to look like). 4. Regarding the Paris Climate Deal, I don't have anything to add that hasn't already been said. 5. Regarding PRWORA, someone said that law wasn't being enforced, which is horseshit. I file a lot of Medicaid applications for my job and one of the first documents requested on the application has always been a request for proof of citizenship. Rollback is a bitch, ain't it? Cloward-Pivening the country in the name of multi-cultural, moral-relativist, globalist Communism is coming to an end As usual when they BS their way into power (D) uses it to break what wasn't broken Rip off taxpayers, diminish our country and the quality of life for all for the benefit of the upper 1% and 1-5% chunks of society divided by identity politics at the expense of the other 70% Why should there be an estate tax of any kind when you've been paying taxes at escalating brackets all along? I'm probably not going to pay an estate tax because I don't have an estate worth 5 million (not yet anyway). You need revenue to run the government, you apparently feel differently and I have no interest in trying to change your beliefs. Republicans had no input into ACA. False. Both sides went back and forth debating it. They gave their input. They may not have crafted their bill to their liking, but there was input. Premiums for normal people have doubled, tripled with deductibles also increased exponentially-for whom? For some people (not all), they have. Both sides have a responsibility to get together and get costs under control to the extent possible. So preexisting condition people who mismanaged their lives (smoking, morbid obesity) can get underpriced coverage? So kiddies who should be on their own can latch onto mommy and daddy until middle age? So Medicaid leeches, especially the millions of illegals, can sponge even more? Listen, I help middle class people plan for Medicaid. These are people that, like me, worked their entire lives, some served in the military, raised children, saved money and lived exemplary lives. You know what happens sometimes? You get old. Then your body starts to betray you because that's what happens when you get old. Sometimes alzheimers or dementia kicks in (I had a 50 year old client worth 7 figures with early onset dementia). Your family starts to take care of you for a while, but eventually they need help because its a hard job. Now you are in assisted living, spending 6k (sometimes double that) on your care. Pretty soon, your assets are done, but you are still alive and need care. This is when Medicaid kicks in. You want to decimate these peoples lives because of some people that take advantage of the system? No matter what system (governmental or private) you have, there will always be some people that take advantage of the system, that doesn't mean you throw the baby out with the bath water, you make common sense adjustments to the system. Paris Climate Deal? It is to laugh. "Climate change" aka weather is unmanageable and most if not all "scientific" data has been faked. No need to pay billions that will be pissed away while China and India endlessly foul their own nests. Yes, scientists are all in on a big conspiracy deal. Retail will never die completely, but the shift you see is due to lots of factors. Overbuilding of malls, Internet commerce, operating Margins of all kinds (wages, taxes, goods), business practices. If it retailing needs control, which it doesn't, why didn't the previous regime in 8 years do anything about it? a. No one ever said retailing needs "control", I identified a large section of the workforce that is being ignored because POTUS wants to focus on a relatively small group of people in the coal industry.
b. No one said retail will die (it's doing better than ever as an industry), but a lot of the jobs are dying.
c. For 8 years you probably said, how long is Obama going to keep blaming Bush, and now you are doing the same exact thing. The prior regime didn't address it, does that mean the current regime now gets a pass as well? Obama was far from perfect.
What of Amazon/Whole Foods? Is Whole Foods a store for all, with all types of goods and price points? Whole Foods is not for everyone, but there is a pretty good chance that Shop Rite and other markets in that price range will start following suit at some point. Medicaid fraud is rampant, even one of our Pravdas says so: www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/happens-states-go-hunting-medicaid-fraud/Fraud is rampant, but if you decrease the amount of funds available, how does that combat fraud. The same leechers that you described would still be milking the system, they would just be receiving less benefits (along with the people that legitimately need the benefits). You combat fraud by increasing the number of investigators and toughening the laws on Medicaid fraud. |
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