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Post by maury77 on Sept 20, 2017 10:13:12 GMT -5
That's a sad list, no doubt. Unfortunately when you make that same list three years from now it is going to look eerily similar. Thank you Nostradamus. So I guess Jamal Adams, Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye, Jordan Jenkins, and Justin Burris are not going to pan out? And, although I keep asking, I'm still waiting for one of the draft "rain men" around here to enlighten me as to who Mac was supposed to pick other then Darron Lee with the 20th pick in the 2016 draft. It was a shitty year for first round talent. I hated the Lee pick and he was one of the guys I didn't want at that pick. The players selected after him have been nothing to write home about either. I wanted Lynch (who has been garbage) or Noah Spence (who has been good, but had character concerns). I generally agree with Lith. I can see that Macc has an OK eye for talent (he has done reasonably well in the late rounds and draft FA), but he is terrible at roster management, particularly when it comes to premium positions.
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Post by maury77 on Sept 20, 2017 10:14:28 GMT -5
Time will tell, I remember how high so many were on Pryor after his second year and how did that work out? Right now your list includes two players who have played two games(I liked Adams coming out and think he'll be a stud) and Burris who gave up two TD's last week and Jenkins, whom I barely realize is playing. Regarding Lee, anyone else. I made my thoughts clear on him before we drafted him. In fairness to Burris, he was up against one of the top young QBs in the game who never had a finger layer on him. If we had a fucking pass rush, maybe he doesn't get beat there. He's actually been pretty good overall. _ I agree on Burris. The kid is a 4th rounder who barely played last year. He got beat up a bit by Crabtree (who is a good receiver), but we need to give Burris some room to grow and develop. That was supposed to the point of this miserable season.
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Post by 2milehighJet on Sept 20, 2017 11:15:04 GMT -5
For those that fancy the notion that Mac is to blame for the Jets depleted roster and lack of overall talent, I give the Jets draft picks from 2010 to 2014, Rounds 1 through 4: Year | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | 2010 | Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson | Vlad Ducasse | None | Joe McNight | 2011 | Mo Wilkerson | None | Kenrick Ellis | Bilal Powell | 2012 | Quinton Coples | Stephen Hill | Demario Davis | None | 2013 | Dee Millner Sheldon Richardson | Geno Smith | Brian Winters | None | 2014 | Calvin Pryor | Jace Amaro | Dexter McDougle | Jalen Saunders Shaq Evans Dakota Dozier |
5 years of draft picks in the first 4 rounds. The return: a starting DE, RB, G and ILB; and a back-up G. Please note that I am counting Davis even though he left and we made a trade to get him back. 19 players in the first 4 rounds and only 5 are on the team. Only 1 -- Mo -- is generally considered to be above average. 6 picks in the first round and 4 are indisputable outright busts. 4 picks in the second round on players that were not very good players -- career back-ups or out of the NFL entirely. The Last 3 drafts are NOT the reason the Jets have no talent. It's the 5 drafts from 2010 to 2014. I would guess that no team has ever had such poor results in the first four rounds of 5 consecutive drafts. Thanks Woody media0.giphy.com/media/vqxha2KqrPfqw/giphy.gif
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Sept 20, 2017 11:36:54 GMT -5
Thank you Nostradamus. So I guess Jamal Adams, Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye, Jordan Jenkins, and Justin Burris are not going to pan out? And, although I keep asking, I'm still waiting for one of the draft "rain men" around here to enlighten me as to who Mac was supposed to pick other then Darron Lee with the 20th pick in the 2016 draft. It was a shitty year for first round talent. How about Myles Jack? Even with questionable knees he's a much better player than Lee and plays the same position.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 20, 2017 11:48:45 GMT -5
Thank you Nostradamus. So I guess Jamal Adams, Leonard Williams, Marcus Maye, Jordan Jenkins, and Justin Burris are not going to pan out? And, although I keep asking, I'm still waiting for one of the draft "rain men" around here to enlighten me as to who Mac was supposed to pick other then Darron Lee with the 20th pick in the 2016 draft. It was a shitty year for first round talent. How about Myles Jack? Even with questionable knees he's a much better player than Lee and plays the same position. Good thought. But I'm not sure if anyone here was saying the Jets should have picked Jack in 2016, and wouldn't he be as miscast on the Jets justlike Lee has been. Jack started the season as the MLB in a 4-3 and now has been moved to OLB in a 4-3. What would Jack look like as an ILB on the Jets behind and undersized 3-4 NT? I'm not saying Jack wouldn't be better than Lee. I'm just not sure that he would be so much better that the outrage at Mack for picking Lee would be justified.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Sept 20, 2017 11:53:08 GMT -5
Good thought. But I'm not sure if anyone here was saying the Jets should have picked Jack in 2016, and wouldn't he be as miscast on the Jets justlike Lee has been. Jack started the season as the MLB in a 4-3 and now has been moved to OLB in a 4-3. What would Jack look like as an ILB on the Jets behind and undersized 3-4 NT? I'm not saying Jack wouldn't be better than Lee. I'm just not sure that he would be so much better that the outrage at Mack for picking Lee would be justified. That's true. Right now they both struggle in the run game. Our Dline sure isn't help Lee, but his reads are terrible. Mack reads plays better, but is still learning the position and plays the pass MUCH better. I also don't think he would have been as miscast since he's 6'1 245 and Lee had to bulk up just to get to 230. With that said I might have been the only one to pull the trigger on him in round 1. He was my icon during his draft year and I didn't mind if he would miss the season. I knew we were going to suck and it would have helped the tank.
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Post by willis on Sept 20, 2017 11:59:14 GMT -5
My thing is, how can we be sure the next GM will be any better? When you commit to hiring a first timer you have to expect some mistakes early on and build that into your projection. Mac didn't even have his own scouting staff in place for the 2015 draft. If we go with another rookie GM expect him to make some bad moves early on as well. Unless you're talking about bringing in a guy like Dorsey you're just taking another gamble. Seems like change for the sake of change, and sometimes you're just better off dealing with the devil you know. okay ... the draft picks have to prove themselves ... not counting Hack, who is probably a bust. The offensive line isn't too bad though ... especially when compared against Big Blue and their first and second round picks. and the players he cut ... check this out nypost.com/2017/09/19/mike-maccagnan-was-right-in-getting-rid-of-these-ex-jets/looks so far like he made very good decisions. So the jury is still out on the GM. Only problem a lot of us say is that he should have started the rebuild right away. But hey ... how can we argue with the first season results. We were in it until the last quarter of the last regular season game. Big problem is with Bowles. On the Michael Kay show he came across like an idiot-Belidick-wannabe ... mumbling to the point where the following morning, Boomer said that he can't believe they actually paid Bowles to appear ... that he came across as such a "nothing." Deadspin describes Bowles perfectly ... absolutely perfect ... as a “seemingly stable guy who actually doesn’t do much at all ...” a "Sentient headset lump ..." And that's putting it nicely.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Sept 20, 2017 12:18:38 GMT -5
My thing is, how can we be sure the next GM will be any better? When you commit to hiring a first timer you have to expect some mistakes early on and build that into your projection. Mac didn't even have his own scouting staff in place for the 2015 draft. If we go with another rookie GM expect him to make some bad moves early on as well. Unless you're talking about bringing in a guy like Dorsey you're just taking another gamble. Seems like change for the sake of change, and sometimes you're just better off dealing with the devil you know. okay ... the draft picks have to prove themselves ... not counting Hack, who is probably a bust. The offensive line isn't too bad though ... especially when compared against Big Blue and their first and second round picks. and the players he cut ... check this out nypost.com/2017/09/19/mike-maccagnan-was-right-in-getting-rid-of-these-ex-jets/looks so far like he made very good decisions. So the jury is still out on the GM. Only problem a lot of us say is that he should have started the rebuild right away. But hey ... how can we argue with the first season results. We were in it until the last quarter of the last regular season game. Big problem is with Bowles. On the Michael Kay show he came across like an idiot-Belidick-wannabe ... mumbling to the point where the following morning, Boomer said that he can't believe they actually paid Bowles to appear ... that he came across as such a "nothing." Deadspin describes Bowles perfectly ... absolutely perfect ... as a “seemingly stable guy who actually doesn’t do much at all ...” a "Sentient headset lump ..." And that's putting it nicely. I don't think the public Todd Bowles is anything like the Tood Bowles that his players know
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Post by Harrier on Sept 20, 2017 13:11:46 GMT -5
Maybe the team will have better fortunes now Christopher Johnson is calling the shots.
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Post by Hotman on Sept 20, 2017 19:27:34 GMT -5
Maybe the team will have better fortunes now Christopher Johnson is calling the shots. Who? _
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Post by Peebag on Sept 20, 2017 19:36:12 GMT -5
Maybe the team will have better fortunes now Christopher Johnson is calling the shots. Who? _ Chris Johnson
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Post by Jets Things on Sept 20, 2017 20:06:44 GMT -5
Maybe the team will have better fortunes now Christopher Johnson is calling the shots. Who? _ The new "owner" of our worthlessly beloved Jets.
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Post by fullblast on Sept 20, 2017 20:09:04 GMT -5
CJ2B
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Post by Hotman on Sept 20, 2017 21:25:04 GMT -5
The new "owner" of our worthlessly beloved Jets. ![](http://jocksandstilettojill.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/chris-johnson-shot-orlando.png) _
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Post by Chesapeakejet on Sept 27, 2017 15:45:16 GMT -5
Don't forget what Elway did (refused to play for the Dolts) and Eli did (refused to play for the Chahgahs). I'm skeered. You forgot to mention Billicek as you mention those unwilling to "play" for a JAG team. He wanted to buy the groceries and Jets ownership wasn't onboard.
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