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Post by southparkcpa on Feb 1, 2019 5:20:22 GMT -5
Well as long as they don’t try to seek asylum here, right! If they climb a fence in the middle of the fucking night...shoot them or send them back. If they come through legal entry and work and pay taxes I am cool with it. You say that ..but they are leaving Venezuala and going to places like Columbia, Chile, Argentina etc. They have NO Food. I literally talk to people from Venezuela every week. It's fucked up. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 7:36:17 GMT -5
If they climb a fence in the middle of the fucking night...shoot them or send them back. If they come through legal entry and work and pay taxes I am cool with it. You say that ..but they are leaving Venezuala and going to places like Columbia, Chile, Argentina etc. They have NO Food. I literally talk to people from Venezuela every week. It's fucked up. Look at Honduras and Guatemala too, these people are desperate. If we ignore Venezuela, countries like Russia, Iran and China are ready to use their oil and build up their military. Isolationism doesnt work. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 7:37:57 GMT -5
Well as long as they don’t try to seek asylum here, right! We should absolutely have an orderly legal process for all immigrants. The fact that our federal and state governments are so fucked up we can't accomplish this is ridiculous. Our government is a joke. How would you plan a orderly legal process for THE Venezuelans? Their govt has made it illegal to leave. Our govt his it problems but I wouldn’t trade it for any other. Live in a foreign country (not vacation) and you would better understand. |
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 1, 2019 9:38:34 GMT -5
You say that ..but they are leaving Venezuala and going to places like Columbia, Chile, Argentina etc. They have NO Food. I literally talk to people from Venezuela every week. It's fucked up. Look at Honduras and Guatemala too, these people are desperate. If we ignore Venezuela, countries like Russia, Iran and China are ready to use their oil and build up their military. Isolationism doesnt work all the time. FYP, but in this case I agree with you. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Feb 1, 2019 11:16:48 GMT -5
We should absolutely have an orderly legal process for all immigrants. The fact that our federal and state governments are so fucked up we can't accomplish this is ridiculous. Our government is a joke. How would you plan a orderly legal process for THE Venezuelans? Their govt has made it illegal to leave. Our govt his it problems but I wouldn’t trade it for any other. Live in a foreign country (not vacation) and you would better understand. I understand just fine... I spent 2 weeks in Spain, 2 weeks in Mexico and I'm going back this summer for 3 weeks. I chat weekly with people in Venezuela. Our federal and state governments are NOT for the people, they are for the employees and the process |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 12:11:18 GMT -5
How would you plan a orderly legal process for THE Venezuelans? Their govt has made it illegal to leave. Our govt his it problems but I wouldn’t trade it for any other. Live in a foreign country (not vacation) and you would better understand. I understand just fine... I spent 2 weeks in Spain, 2 weeks in Mexico and I'm going back this summer for 3 weeks. I chat weekly with people in Venezuela. Our federal and state governments are NOT for the people, they are for the employees and the process It’s nice to be able to say your opinion and not worry about the govt coming for you. Vacations don’t let you see 1/16 of what it is truly like to reside there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 12:14:40 GMT -5
Look at Honduras and Guatemala too, these people are desperate. If we ignore Venezuela, countries like Russia, Iran and China are ready to use their oil and build up their military. Isolationism doesnt work all the time. FYP, but in this case I agree with you. Present day and in the future isolationism can’t work because it’s a world economy, you can’t prosper as a nation on your own. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Feb 1, 2019 12:37:40 GMT -5
I understand just fine... I spent 2 weeks in Spain, 2 weeks in Mexico and I'm going back this summer for 3 weeks. I chat weekly with people in Venezuela. Our federal and state governments are NOT for the people, they are for the employees and the process It’s nice to be able to say your opinion and not worry about the govt coming for you. Vacations don’t let you see 1/16 of what it is truly like to reside there. Im not disagreeing with you... I simply laugh when we talk about helping the poor yet we pay mailmen, middle "fat" management 70K plus and retire at 55, air traffic retire after 20 years, garbage men after 20 years, it's a joke etc. If the Gov't was just a little more like the private sector , we'd have billions to help the poor. Google 100K pensions in NY. There are tens of thousands of them. Retiring at 55 it's a joke. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 12:48:28 GMT -5
It’s nice to be able to say your opinion and not worry about the govt coming for you. Vacations don’t let you see 1/16 of what it is truly like to reside there. Im not disagreeing with you... I simply laugh when we talk about helping the poor yet we pay mailmen, middle "fat" management 70K plus and retire at 55, air traffic retire after 20 years, garbage men after 20 years, it's a joke etc. If the Gov't was just a little more like the private sector , we'd have billions to help the poor. Google 100K pensions in NY. There are tens of thousands of them. Retiring at 55 it's a joke. For being a financial guy I would think you would have a better grasp on the reality for workers. The Postal Service has been phasing out government employees by utilizing contractors, I haven’t had municipal garbage service in 10 years, air traffic controllers still haven’t recovered since the Regan firings and remain undermanned. NY or CA arent the country representatives for the nation or federal govt. when it comes to pension plans. Ask yourself why the US airlines remained silent during this shutdown, they will never step up when it comes to the free security the govt gives them, yet it adds to the bottom line year after year. |
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Post by southparkcpa on Feb 1, 2019 13:14:19 GMT -5
Im not disagreeing with you... I simply laugh when we talk about helping the poor yet we pay mailmen, middle "fat" management 70K plus and retire at 55, air traffic retire after 20 years, garbage men after 20 years, it's a joke etc. If the Gov't was just a little more like the private sector , we'd have billions to help the poor. Google 100K pensions in NY. There are tens of thousands of them. Retiring at 55 it's a joke. For being a financial guy I would think you would have a better grasp on the reality for workers. The Postal Service has been phasing out government employees by utilizing contractors, I haven’t had municipal garbage service in 10 years, air traffic controllers still haven’t recovered since the Regan firings and remain undermanned. NY or CA arent the country representatives for the nation or federal govt. when it comes to pension plans. Ask yourself why the US airlines remained silent during this shutdown, they will never step up when it comes to the free security the govt gives them, yet it adds to the bottom line year after year. Yes.. that's it, of course. SMH. |
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 1, 2019 14:22:23 GMT -5
FYP, but in this case I agree with you. Present day and in the future isolationism can’t work because it’s a world economy, you can’t prosper as a nation on your own. FFS, not everything is a black/white, if/then situation. Isolationism does work in certain circumstances, regardless of <insert reason>, because situations/countries/people/things are not all the same. Play nice with one friend if the bang for your buck is good, more if it's better, less if it isn't. For the smelly kid who conceivably will never bring anything to the table for you, well, just stroll on past, maybe drop something in their collection cup. Playing with everyone isn't necessary to play the game. Someone gets picked last, some not at all. That's life. Not a tough concept, Cheech. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 14:39:19 GMT -5
Present day and in the future isolationism can’t work because it’s a world economy, you can’t prosper as a nation on your own. FFS, not everything is a black/white, if/then situation. Isolationism does work in certain circumstances, regardless of <insert reason>, because situations/countries/people/things are not all the same. Play nice with one friend if the bang for your buck is good, more if it's better, less if it isn't. For the smelly kid who conceivably will never bring anything to the table for you, well, just stroll on past, maybe drop something in their collection cup. Playing with everyone isn't necessary to play the game. Someone gets picked last, some not at all. That's life. Not a tough concept, Cheech. When it comes to the different nations it’s way more complicated than what you have posted. Russia and China are exploiting voids and odds are it won’t be good for us. I’m specifically talking about countries. Security and/or lack of security has a lasting negative effect on our nation. |
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Post by Trades on Feb 1, 2019 14:50:26 GMT -5
FFS, not everything is a black/white, if/then situation. Isolationism does work in certain circumstances, regardless of <insert reason>, because situations/countries/people/things are not all the same. Play nice with one friend if the bang for your buck is good, more if it's better, less if it isn't. For the smelly kid who conceivably will never bring anything to the table for you, well, just stroll on past, maybe drop something in their collection cup. Playing with everyone isn't necessary to play the game. Someone gets picked last, some not at all. That's life. Not a tough concept, Cheech. When it comes to the different nations it’s way more complicated than what you have posted. Russia and China are exploiting voids and odds are it won’t be good for us. I’m specifically talking about countries. Security and/or lack of security has a lasting negative effect on our nation. So you are saying national security is important? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 15:04:48 GMT -5
When it comes to the different nations it’s way more complicated than what you have posted. Russia and China are exploiting voids and odds are it won’t be good for us. I’m specifically talking about countries. Security and/or lack of security has a lasting negative effect on our nation. So you are saying national security is important? Yes, national security has and will always be important. |
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Post by adpz on Feb 1, 2019 16:11:28 GMT -5
Present day and in the future isolationism can’t work because it’s a world economy, you can’t prosper as a nation on your own. You're not trying to call opposing unfettered immigration 'isolationism' are you? As well, you are mixing together economic isolationism (which no one advocates) with whichever isolationism you are referring to (anti-immigration?) and calling each the same thing. Last I checked, China and Russia are about the most anti-immigration countries on the planet. And both show net immigration outflows. We're not a labor-intensive economy. We don't need more unskilled labor. One of the contributing factors to the Great Depression was the huge productivity leaps in the 10's and 20's, which left swathes of people unable to capture any slice of those productivity gains (because they were not employed). Anyone advocating importing - essentially - poverty into the US, especially in the form of unskilled or marginally-employable people, is creating the same risk factor in the current US economy (where workers are having trouble capturing productivity gains). Last time it took a sharp turn towards socialist aspects in the New Deal (and a world war with a huge US peace dividend) to absorb the problem; and we already have a stark preview of what the left wants next - which is everything "free". In the 1930s at least we had a sort of bureaucratic socialism; but the next wave would be a populist socialist wave, like the ones that brought Chavez to power in Venezuela in 2002. Venezuela was a near-first-world country. It had free elections, freedom of the press and near-universal healthcare and education. Caracas was the S. American seat of tons of multinationals. And Venezuela was even a magnet for immigration from Europe. It was by most regular measures a successful progressive country. And - most importantly - it was a long-time, well-functioning, respected democracy. It was brought to ruin in 17 short years by populist-socialism. It does not take a Hugo Chavez to get on the road to ruin - it takes a poor/poorer population supporting the same policies he espoused. So, even as we don't need the unskilled labor, we doubly do not need to import a population of economic immigrants from all over L and S America who - and I am not blaming them here - are only in a position to vote for a living. |
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