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Post by Ff2 on Jun 23, 2021 21:55:37 GMT -5
Just be careful; New York overall ranked 47th worst in the country in terms of hospital safety, with about 7.5% of New York's hospitals receiving an A safety grade, according to LeapFrog's fall 2019 safety grades. I am talking about the hospital for special surgery not some shit hole in the bronx. Those grades are mostly bullshit. They make a large part of the grade regarding socialized medicine to favor countries with socialized medicine. Different areas and countries record infant mortality and other factors differently than the US because their end game is to knock the US down and push for government control. I see. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 23, 2021 17:57:44 GMT -5
Just be careful; New York overall ranked 47th worst in the country in terms of hospital safety, with about 7.5% of New York's hospitals receiving an A safety grade, according to LeapFrog's fall 2019 safety grades. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 23, 2021 11:12:37 GMT -5
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 22, 2021 14:00:58 GMT -5
Nah man it’s much bigger that that. Even Rand Paul left the US for surgery. Part of being better is being cheaper. This stuff shouldn’t bankrupt families. I'd consider Canada or some other 1st world country but no way am I going to India or South America for surgery. Ultimately, in the US you are almost guaranteed quality care (when compared with the cheaper countries). Rand Paul's case was very specific and he went to a for profit hospital in Canada so it isn't like you can say that he went to a country for a product reliant on socialized medicine. No he went to save money. Youre getting too hung up on your image of India. Many countries have medical facilities equal or better than the U.S. They have built 5 start luxury resorts staffed by Eastern and Western trained doctors specially to attract medical tourism. If you dont have insurance or it wont cover a procedure, you just fly there and pay cash. You can spend $10,000 or be stuck with a $150,000 bill. 1. India For patients in need of cardiac and orthopedic surgeries, India is growing in medical travel popularity. Cities like Delhi, Bangalore, and Mumbai are seeing a 30% yearly increase in medical procedures from travelers hailing from Canada, the U.S., and Europe. And, with a wide selection of quality private hospitals specializing in an array of surgeries that cost tens of thousands dollars less than other countries, India is quickly becoming the go-to operation destination. 2. Singapore With a healthcare system that ranks sixth in the world according to the World Health Organization, Singapore attracts thousands of international patients each year. In terms of procedures, Singapore boasts a laundry list of specialties including cardiology, hematology, oncology, neurology, stem cell therapy, and orthopedics. In addition, Singapore’s liberal laws allows for the study and use of stem cells in medical practice, making it an invaluable, albeit controversial destination for patients in need of advanced medical treatment. 3. South Korea A world leader in both spinal surgeries and cancer screenings, South Korea is one of the most technologically advanced medical countries in the world. In fact, many South Korean hospitals consider electronic health records and fully digitized equipment standard. Because of its recent growth in popularity, the cost of medical operations is on the rise. But, considering treatments range from organ transplantation to spinal treatments to cosmetic procedures, South Korea gives patients plenty of specialty options. 4. Bulgaria With some of the lowest priced health care services in the world, Bulgaria is a convenient and cost effective option for European patients as well as other international travelers. And, due to its proximity to renowned international universities, the country has an influx of highly qualified physicians. As an added benefit, Bulgaria is known for its mineral and thermal springs that are extremely effective forms of natural treatment for rheumatism as well as post operation recovery. 5. Panama The medical tourism of Panama is unique in that it closely resembles the health care system found in the United States. With it’s bilingual, board certified doctors, comparative medical equipment and technology, and the US dollar as its official currency, Panama has everything America has to offer, but at a fraction of the cost. As for types of operations that Panama’s hospitals and physicians provide, this country runs the gamut from spinal surgeries to cancer treatments. With all that Panama has to offer medically speaking, it’s quickly becoming an international medical tourism epicenter. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 22, 2021 7:40:58 GMT -5
No it’s a whole different deal. India is the leader buy not the only one. They’ve created luxury hotel like medical facilities, state of the art, staffed by top doctors. Surgery that runs $150,000 here will cost you $10,000. Google it, it’s pretty interesting. That is cheaper not better or more advanced. I would also bet Americans that are going to India for surgery are Indians that moved here. A friend of mine would get a procedure every time he went home to India. One time last, next hair plugs... no idea what else. Another friend's wife who is Columbian would go back home for plastic surgery. Nah man it’s much bigger that that. Even Rand Paul left the US for surgery. Part of being better is being cheaper. This stuff shouldn’t bankrupt families. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 22, 2021 7:01:58 GMT -5
WTF?
These fanooks are taking over!!!!
Look I have no problem with them, just don’t shove it down my throat.
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 18:12:20 GMT -5
Based on people actually leaving U.S. to get surgeries done elsewhere. Google: medical tourism. Without goggling medical tourism, my impression was that most of the folks leaving the U.S. were getting surgeries considered high-risk or questionable..(I.E. chicks getting giant arse-implants). No it’s a whole different deal. India is the leader buy not the only one. They’ve created luxury hotel like medical facilities, state of the art, staffed by top doctors. Surgery that runs $150,000 here will cost you $10,000. Google it, it’s pretty interesting. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 14:18:36 GMT -5
I no longer think the US has the best healthcare. Based on what? Based on people actually leaving U.S. to get surgeries done elsewhere. Google: medical tourism. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 13:08:22 GMT -5
I'll never understand why we tied medical insurance to employment. As 32 would say....seems dumb. Do we really want emergency rooms to act as care primary care though? I know this issues are complex but I look at other countries who seem to be able to do a much better job. My youngest lives in NZ and yes taxes are high but an illness doesn't bankrupt anyone either. You don't stop and think about how much ambulance ride is going to cost. It's free. Just because we are big we cant figure this out? And yes it comes down to insurance companies. Nothing is FREE, the government is just forcing other people to pay for others. America has the best health care and the most innovation. Socialized systems ration care, slow down care and stifle innovation. Most of the systems that grade heath care put a huge weight on if the system is socialized so it is a meaningless grade. They also count infant mortality in different ways among other statistics. The game is rigged. Add in our porous borders and you can't make everything socialized. Small countries like NZ that make it next to impossible to immigrate to can control costs because people can't just walk across the border and demand services. We can't even get voter ID to prove you should be a citizen to vote but now we are going to somehow control who we are paying for in health care. It is impossible. I no longer think the US has the best healthcare. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 10:12:41 GMT -5
Your first sentence says it all. And it's both asides of the aisle. But I rather have SOMETHING, with many flaws, for the uninsured rather than waiting for the pipe dream of removing insurance companies. I'd love to see the GOP fight insurance companies as hard as they fight ACA. Yeah that is why I typed the first sentence. Never said it was one or the other. However there were republicans that were pushing for alternatives to the ACA including Direct Primary Care, opening up across state lines, tort reform, etc but it was DOA because most are paid off. Something over nothing is rarely a good thing. Too many unintended consequences. ACA created almost as many uninsured as is helped and it also took a ton of people who were insured and made them under insured with crappy ACA policies that were policies in name only because of high deductibles that were way higher than what a cheaper policy cost before the ACA. That is how socialism works, bring everyone down to minimum level rather than raising most to a better level. EQUALITY!!! Most uninsured before the ACA were young people who didn't want insurance. The "poor" have medicaid, state kids aid and it is illegal for an emergency room or urgent care to turn anyone away, the law is posted in every ER room as I witnessed sitting in there with my dad several times over the last year. ACA is about control and reducing the haves to the have-nots, eliminating the middle class. It also is meant to divide the country and continue class warfare. No one in government wants a solution and anyone thinking you can fix a government created solution with more government is naïve at best or willfully ignorant at worst. You do know why we have insurance and then employer paid insurance, right? I'll never understand why we tied medical insurance to employment. As 32 would say....seems dumb. Do we really want emergency rooms to act as care primary care though? I know this issues are complex but I look at other countries who seem to be able to do a much better job. My youngest lives in NZ and yes taxes are high but an illness doesn't bankrupt anyone either. You don't stop and think about how much ambulance ride is going to cost. It's free. Just because we are big we cant figure this out? And yes it comes down to insurance companies. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 9:19:30 GMT -5
Worked pretty good for my kid for a bit. I’m not here to tell you it’s the best. But if it isn’t a good idea, what’s the solution for the uninsured? If you say “fuck em” I’ll go with ACA. If you have another plan I’m all ears. Remember when Trump said it would be an easy fix? It ain’t. They are looking for what is best for them (kick backs from insurance companies) not for the whole country. I posted about this years ago but...The best solution for ACTUAL Health care rather than for health insurance is to let the market work. Direct Primary Care where the patient pays a small monthly fee to a doctor less than $50 a month for an adult and $10 for kids that covers routine care, vaccines, check ups, sick visits, etc. Other services are charge at a known price and there is a price list like a menu. Broken arm $100, Xray, $150, etc. They also provide a lot of prescription medications at a known price which is discounted. The patient then pays a low price for a catastrophic insurance plan in case you get cancer, need advanced surgery or a hospital stay. This takes the insurance company and government out of the doctor/patient experience, causes the patient to understand the costs they are paying which helps control pricing, and gives them genuine access to a doctor vs Obamacare which charged ridiculous deductibles on a high price policy and made it so you would pay a ton if you ever had to use it. Of course there are pros and cons to everything but forcing everyone to have a policy that covers things you would never use like trans surgery and other rare procedures is stupid. Atlas MD is one of the better known DPC practices and it looks like they have now created a franchise type system to expand. Whenever you take the consumer out of looking at pricing, prices will naturally go up because there is no reason to shop or to keep prices lower. Look at Lasik surgery and plastic surgery as examples of price controls in medicine since most of those procedures aren't covered by insurance. atlas.md/www.goodrtwitter.com/insurance/direct-primary-careYour first sentence says it all. And it's both asides of the aisle. But I rather have SOMETHING, with many flaws, for the uninsured rather than waiting for the pipe dream of removing insurance companies. I'd love to see the GOP fight insurance companies as hard as they fight ACA. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 8:14:34 GMT -5
Or just maybe it’s a good idea? Nope. Overpriced health insurance with ridiculous deductibles is not a good idea. Worked pretty good for my kid for a bit. I’m not here to tell you it’s the best. But if it isn’t a good idea, what’s the solution for the uninsured? If you say “fuck em” I’ll go with ACA. If you have another plan I’m all ears. Remember when Trump said it would be an easy fix? It ain’t. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 8:09:46 GMT -5
Actually the opposite VS is so late to the game it’s over for them. Women simply aren’t buying what they were selling. All the money is in “athleisure” wear. You are in the biz so I'll trust your judgement. I know my active wife doesnt care what millionaire, angry America-hating female soccer players wear or promote. Of course she doesn’t. Neither does Mrs. FF2. Her main concern is if her ass looks slightly less large. But the next generation does. At least the majority. Look, I’m not saying any of this right or wrong. It’s business. It’s a numbers game. Young women value “strong” over “sexy” They look to athletes over models, for the most part. And what men think is almost nothing to them. They dress for themselves and other women not us. The models of the past looked sexy and kept their mouths shut. For endorsers those days are over. For better or worse. As Abe Vigoda said to Tom, “it’s just business.” Moving product, same as it ever was. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 21, 2021 7:59:28 GMT -5
Actually the opposite VS is so late to the game it’s over for them. Women simply aren’t buying what they were selling. All the money is in “athleisure” wear. Cultural decline. Maybe, maybe not. But it’s how capitalism works. Give the people what the want and you’ll make money. |
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Post by Ff2 on Jun 20, 2021 15:16:54 GMT -5
Actually the opposite VS is so late to the game it’s over for them. Women simply aren’t buying what they were selling. All the money is in “athleisure” wear. |
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