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Post by JetRepulsion1 on Oct 12, 2020 11:01:06 GMT -5
If I was Woody Johnson I would look at the coaches that have stood the test of time and have been more successful (winning percentage) than not. Belichek (.686), Shula (.677), Dungy (.668), McCarthy (.651 pre-Cowboys), Seifert (.648), etc. and try to determine what made them so successful. Based on the list I present I would have to say it is that they had a great QB, Brady, Marino, Manning, Favre/Rogers, Montana (respectively). That begs the question, were the QBs great because of coaching or vise versa. How many coaches have won with an average or slightly above average QB or really turned an average QB into a star? If the QB makes the coach I think we have to move on from Darnold and try the next great prospect if we have that chance. If the coach makes the QB then who is that coach that is available now? Either way I think it is well past time that the Jets move on from Gase, he is just incompetent. I would also have to sit with Douglas (I hope that was done already) to see his long term plan for the team. How does he plan to build and how have his moves in free agency the past 2 years and the one draft fit into that plan. Has he hit on the moves he made given the logic behind the move? What grade would you give him so far and does his vision make sense? I think he hit on Becton and some experts didn't think he was necessarily the player he seems to be. I agree with the Adams trade. This wasn't the Jets year and Adams was not a team player plus he got an unbelievable return in the trade. Jury is obviously out on Mims since he hasn't played yet as most of the draft picks haven't. Is that talent level or coaching? You are giving Chris and Woody Johnson waaaaaayyyyyy too much credit. Asking them to “think”, “sit down and talk football with Joe a Douglas”, “ask pertinent football questions”? These two stupid fucks can barely get out a cognizant sentence let alone delve into details about the strategy and plan for this dumpster fire franchise. The only possible way forward is if, IF, Douglas is a competent football junkie and turns out to be an excellent GM and the two moronic Johnson brothers just let him run the show - fire Gase, hire the new HC, draft Larwrence and like 15 other top players. Douglas is the only hope because with a huge 6 year contract he isn’t going anywhere. Either he’s great and turns this shitshow around or this laughingstock of a franchise is in for another decade plus of a living nightmare.
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 12, 2020 11:04:06 GMT -5
Remember when Quinn was the hot coaching commodity and was in the running for the Jets job over Toilet Bowles? I remember when Dimitroff was considered a top GM. They never recovered from that SB collapse.
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 12, 2020 11:05:01 GMT -5
Surprised they fired the GM too. He was there forever and seemed like he knew how to pick talent. Agreed. Curious. He hit on Ryan and Jones. Since has been meh. And they traded a ton to move up for Jones. But it worked out. Also a really shitty division.
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Post by Hotman on Oct 13, 2020 4:23:38 GMT -5
Remember when Quinn was the hot coaching commodity and was in the running for the Jets job over Toilet Bowles? I remember when Dimitroff was considered a top GM. They never recovered from that SB collapse. Fucking losers from Seattle.... There seems to be a trend of just laying down and begging to be robbed coming outta that place. Like it seeps thru all facets of life there. The "guilt" if you will
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Post by Trades on Oct 13, 2020 7:44:23 GMT -5
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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 13, 2020 7:59:19 GMT -5
Interesting list. In any case, we will be getting a rookie HC again (either promoted coordinator or HC from NCAA). Roman would be awesome. What the Ravens did the year they pulled Flacco for Jackson was an incredible coaching job: overhauling you're entire offensive identity on the fly, during the season going from a pure pocket guy to uber-athletic ...and being succesful was amazing. Seems to me he adapts his system to the players he has. Probably also says a lot about the players they draft too, so not sure he could have done that with our guys.
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Post by Trades on Oct 13, 2020 8:10:12 GMT -5
Interesting list. In any case, we will be getting a rookie HC again (either promoted coordinator or HC from NCAA). Roman would be awesome. What the Ravens did the year they pulled Flacco for Jackson was an incredible coaching job: overhauling you're entire offensive identity on the fly, during the season going from a pure pocket guy to uber-athletic ...and being succesful was amazing. Seems to me he adapts his system to the players he has. Probably also says a lot about the players they draft too, so not sure he could have done that with our guys. I think a system like that could be good for Sam. He seems better on the run out of the pocket. I wouldn't want him running all over the place just more motion and options to roll out for him would be good.
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Post by DDNYjets on Oct 13, 2020 8:36:46 GMT -5
Heres the problem with Darnold. After 3 years we dont know if hes a problem or a solution. And that is an organizational failure. Cant bring a young QB and throw him to the wolves. Has to be a plan. Need a good OL and weapons. Smart coaching. Sam has been devoid of all three for much of his career.
And if that organizational failure isnt fixed then we will be saying the same things about Lawrence in 3 years.
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Post by Trades on Oct 13, 2020 8:37:38 GMT -5
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Post by Trades on Oct 13, 2020 8:45:49 GMT -5
Heres the problem with Darnold. After 3 years we dont know if hes a problem or a solution. And that is an organizational failure. Cant bring a young QB and throw him to the wolves. Has to be a plan. Need a good OL and weapons. Smart coaching. Sam has been devoid of all three for much of his career. And if that organizational failure isnt fixed then we will be saying the same things about Lawrence in 3 years. Another reason that I prefer the get a FA WR or 2, continue to address the Oline through the draft and Free Agency and get a coach who knows what a football is over get another QB to throw to the wolves. The only problem with that method is if Lawrence really is the next Manning/Brady is there a way to build the team over the next 2 years while not killing Lawrence?
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Post by Big L on Oct 13, 2020 8:47:52 GMT -5
Biggest weakness: football LMAO
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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 13, 2020 8:53:35 GMT -5
Heres the problem with Darnold. After 3 years we dont know if hes a problem or a solution. And that is an organizational failure. Cant bring a young QB and throw him to the wolves. Has to be a plan. Need a good OL and weapons. Smart coaching. Sam has been devoid of all three for much of his career. And if that organizational failure isnt fixed then we will be saying the same things about Lawrence in 3 years. Another reason that I prefer the get a FA WR or 2, continue to address the Oline through the draft and Free Agency and get a coach who knows what a football is over get another QB to throw to the wolves. The only problem with that method is if Lawrence really is the next Manning/Brady is there a way to build the team over the next 2 years while not killing Lawrence? From my standpoint it seems defensive lines are way better than offensive lines. You can find a ton solid DL starters in FA, but good offensive lineman are hard to find. Dunno...seems we whiffed on every one this offseason. Has to be meet and potatos until it's fuckin fixed.
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Post by Trades on Oct 13, 2020 8:56:53 GMT -5
Another reason that I prefer the get a FA WR or 2, continue to address the Oline through the draft and Free Agency and get a coach who knows what a football is over get another QB to throw to the wolves. The only problem with that method is if Lawrence really is the next Manning/Brady is there a way to build the team over the next 2 years while not killing Lawrence? From my standpoint it seems defensive lines are way better than offensive lines. You can find a ton solid DL starters in FA, but good offensive lineman are hard to find. Dunno...seems we whiffed on every one this offseason. Has to be meet and potatos until it's fuckin fixed. Yet another reason to trade down in the draft and get as many top oline prospects that you can. Thankfully LT is the hardest to find and I think Becton is going to be solid for 10 years.
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Post by 2milehighJet on Oct 13, 2020 9:28:36 GMT -5
Heres the problem with Darnold. After 3 years we dont know if hes a problem or a solution. And that is an organizational failure. Cant bring a young QB and throw him to the wolves. Has to be a plan. Need a good OL and weapons. Smart coaching. Sam has been devoid of all three for much of his career. And if that organizational failure isnt fixed then we will be saying the same things about Lawrence in 3 years. Uggh. This times a million
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Post by Raoul Duke on Oct 13, 2020 9:34:14 GMT -5
From my standpoint it seems defensive lines are way better than offensive lines. You can find a ton solid DL starters in FA, but good offensive lineman are hard to find. Dunno...seems we whiffed on every one this offseason. Has to be meet and potatos until it's fuckin fixed. Yet another reason to trade down in the draft and get as many top oline prospects that you can. Thankfully LT is the hardest to find and I think Becton is going to be solid for 10 years. Meh..the importance of the blindside has changed. Now your best pass rusher most of the time is off your RT (Watt, Mack, Bosa..) so even if he doesn't get a sack he's still influencing the timing of your QB. Still, mega boner pants for Becton.
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