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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 17, 2015 0:53:05 GMT -5
There seems to be a trend in the NFL, and that trend is of hiring Head Coaches from the defensive side of the ball and of those types of Head Coaches succeeding.
In the 2015 NFL Head Coach hiring season we have the following....
Buffalo - Rex Ryan (Defense)
NY Jets - Todd Bowles (Defense)
Chicago - John Fox (Defense)
San Francisco - Jim Tomsula (Defense)
Denver - TBD, possibly Gary Kubiak (OFFENSE)
Atlanta - TBD, possibly Dan Quinn (Defense)
Oakland - Jack Del Rio (Defense)
How about the Final 4 teams in the NFL this weekend?
New England - Bill B. (Defense)
Indianapolis - Chuck Pagano (Defense)
Green Bay - Mike McCarthy (OFFENSE)
Seattle - Pete Carroll (Defense)
Even last year's Final 4 teams....
New England - Bill B. (Defense)
Denver - John Fox (Defense)
San Francisco - Jim Harbaugh (OFFENSE)
Seattle - Pete Carroll (Defense)
So, what gives? Why aren't as many new head coaches being drawn from the offensive side of the ball? Why is San Francisco not even hiring a coordinator (like an Adam Gase, a Josh McDaniel, etc.) and instead elevating a Defensive Line coach?
I have some theories about why this may be happening, but I'd be interested in first hearing what other people think.
Is this just a coincidence or, as I believe, is it a fairly clear trend?
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Post by Bavarian on Jan 17, 2015 1:18:00 GMT -5
Clayton gave his rationale as one that teams without the top QB's must find other ways to win i.e. thru defense.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 17, 2015 1:20:14 GMT -5
Clayton gave his rationale as one that teams without the top QB's must find other ways to win i.e. thru defense. Wow, what a genius. Who would have ever figured that out? |
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Post by jetstream23 on Jan 17, 2015 1:45:07 GMT -5
Clayton gave his rationale as one that teams without the top QB's must find other ways to win i.e. thru defense. Wow, what a genius. Who would have ever figured that out? lol I agree, but sometimes it is that simplest explanation that is the right one. If you don't have a franchise QB then your best chance to win games is likely through defense. It's how the Jets competed in 2009 and 2010, it's how the Arizona Cardinals rode 2nd and 3rd string QBs into the playoffs this year. I can't argue with the approach, but there's no doubt that having a great defensive coach and a franchise QB can be a recipe for consistent Super Bowl runs! Belicheck/SparklePony, Carroll/Wilson, Tomlin/Roethlisberger all seem to show consistent success. Is the idea to get a franchise QB and then a Head Coach that will just leave him alone and let him do his thing with the OC, like SparklePony does with McDaniel? Like Wilson does with Darrell Bevell? |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 17, 2015 1:52:16 GMT -5
Wow, what a genius. Who would have ever figured that out? lol I agree, but sometimes it is that simplest explanation that is the right one. If you don't have a franchise QB then your best chance to win games is likely through defense. It's how the Jets competed in 2009 and 2010, it's how the Arizona Cardinals rode 2nd and 3rd string QBs into the playoffs this year. I can't argue with the approach, but there's no doubt that having a great defensive coach and a franchise QB can be a recipe for consistent Super Bowl runs! Belicheck/SparklePony, Carroll/Wilson, Tomlin/Roethlisberger all seem to show consistent success. Is it the idea to get a franchise QB and then a Head Coach that will just leave him alone and let him do his thing with the OC, like SparklePony does with McDaniel? Like Wilson does with Darrell Bevell? Oh I agree with on your first paragraph, but Rex's problem was that he never grew from the mistakes. We could have had a top QB and if he wasn't a probowler in his rookie year Rex would have neutered the offense. I just don't see Mariota being a top 15 QB in this league. He might be in his first year, but he wont last. I'd rather use our first 1-3 picks on players that will be studs. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Jan 17, 2015 1:52:42 GMT -5
lol I agree, but sometimes it is that simplest explanation that is the right one. If you don't have a franchise QB then your best chance to win games is likely through defense. It's how the Jets competed in 2009 and 2010, it's how the Arizona Cardinals rode 2nd and 3rd string QBs into the playoffs this year. I can't argue with the approach, but there's no doubt that having a great defensive coach and a franchise QB can be a recipe for consistent Super Bowl runs! Belicheck/SparklePony, Carroll/Wilson, Tomlin/Roethlisberger all seem to show consistent success. Is it the idea to get a franchise QB and then a Head Coach that will just leave him alone and let him do his thing with the OC, like SparklePony does with McDaniel? Like Wilson does with Darrell Bevell? Oh I agree with you, but Rex's problem was that he never grew from the mistakes. We could have had a top QB and if he wasn't a probowler in his rookie year Rex would have neutered the offense. I just don't see Mariota being a top 15 QB in this league. He might be in his first year, but he wont last. I'd rather use our first 1-3 picks on players that will be studs. |
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Post by jets19 on Jan 17, 2015 1:59:52 GMT -5
Clayton gave his rationale as one that teams without the top QB's must find other ways to win i.e. thru defense. Wow, what a genius. Who would have ever figured that out? Jets19 approves of this post. |
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Post by rangerous on Jan 17, 2015 10:00:04 GMT -5
There seems to be a trend in the NFL, and that trend is of hiring Head Coaches from the defensive side of the ball and of those types of Head Coaches succeeding. In the 2015 NFL Head Coach hiring season we have the following.... Buffalo - Rex Ryan (Defense)NY Jets - Todd Bowles (Defense)Chicago - John Fox (Defense)San Francisco - Jim Tomsula (Defense)Denver - TBD, possibly Gary Kubiak (OFFENSE) Atlanta - TBD, possibly Dan Quinn (Defense)Oakland - Jack Del Rio (Defense)How about the Final 4 teams in the NFL this weekend? New England - Bill B. (Defense)Indianapolis - Chuck Pagano (Defense)Green Bay - Mike McCarthy (OFFENSE) Seattle - Pete Carroll (Defense)Even last year's Final 4 teams.... New England - Bill B. (Defense)Denver - John Fox (Defense)San Francisco - Jim Harbaugh (OFFENSE) Seattle - Pete Carroll (Defense)So, what gives? Why aren't as many new head coaches being drawn from the offensive side of the ball? Why is San Francisco not even hiring a coordinator (like an Adam Gase, a Josh McDaniel, etc.) and instead elevating a Defensive Line coach? I have some theories about why this may be happening, but I'd be interested in first hearing what other people think. Is this just a coincidence or, as I believe, is it a fairly clear trend? how about defense wins championships? imo ever since the cardiac cards (or even before that with whatever sid gillman was concocting) teams have known that a passing game can pick apart nearly any defense and that it is much easier to pass. couple that with the league changing the rules for defenses and it becomes obvious that the only area that needs smart coaches is defense. heck even the inept geno was able to post a perfect qb rating. |
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Post by rangerous on Jan 17, 2015 10:05:05 GMT -5
Oh I agree with you, but Rex's problem was that he never grew from the mistakes. We could have had a top QB and if he wasn't a probowler in his rookie year Rex would have neutered the offense. I just don't see Mariota being a top 15 QB in this league. He might be in his first year, but he wont last. I'd rather use our first 1-3 picks on players that will be studs. imo that's a little too disparaging of rex's offense philosophy. it's plenty obvious that being able to keep the other team's offense on the sidelines is also very helpful in winning games. running the ball is the best way to chew up time, especially if the chains are kept in motion. make no mistake the patsies do the same thing although they use the pass first as do many teams. the jets problem for the past few seasons is not being able to score points. no comment about mariota. there just so few real franchise qb's out there that a team is really lucky if they get one through the draft. |
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Post by TokyoJetsFan on Jan 17, 2015 10:52:00 GMT -5
I think my age is younger than the head coach
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Post by MDL JET on Jan 17, 2015 10:56:52 GMT -5
Meh. It's always about the qb.
But it is the coaches who put them over the top, making them above average to great. Like Payton did for brees.
Rex was just such an extreme with his one sidedness, it's hard to ever see him draft and bring along a young qb like if we did draft Wilson.
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Post by Peebag on Jan 17, 2015 10:59:01 GMT -5
There seems to be a trend in the NFL, and that trend is of hiring Head Coaches from the defensive side of the ball and of those types of Head Coaches succeeding. In the 2015 NFL Head Coach hiring season we have the following.... Buffalo - Rex Ryan (Defense)NY Jets - Todd Bowles (Defense)Chicago - John Fox (Defense)San Francisco - Jim Tomsula (Defense)Denver - TBD, possibly Gary Kubiak (OFFENSE) Atlanta - TBD, possibly Dan Quinn (Defense)Oakland - Jack Del Rio (Defense)How about the Final 4 teams in the NFL this weekend? New England - Bill B. (Defense)Indianapolis - Chuck Pagano (Defense)Green Bay - Mike McCarthy (OFFENSE) Seattle - Pete Carroll (Defense)Even last year's Final 4 teams.... New England - Bill B. (Defense)Denver - John Fox (Defense)San Francisco - Jim Harbaugh (OFFENSE) Seattle - Pete Carroll (Defense)So, what gives? Why aren't as many new head coaches being drawn from the offensive side of the ball? Why is San Francisco not even hiring a coordinator (like an Adam Gase, a Josh McDaniel, etc.) and instead elevating a Defensive Line coach? I have some theories about why this may be happening, but I'd be interested in first hearing what other people think. Is this just a coincidence or, as I believe, is it a fairly clear trend? how about defense wins championships? imo ever since the cardiac cards (or even before that with whatever sid gillman was concocting) teams have known that a passing game can pick apart nearly any defense and that it is much easier to pass. couple that with the league changing the rules for defenses and it becomes obvious that the only area that needs smart coaches is defense. heck even the inept geno was able to post a perfect qb rating. Anybody who mentions the "Cardiac Cards" and Sid Gillman in a post is alright by me!  |
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Post by Peebag on Jan 17, 2015 10:59:47 GMT -5
I think my age is younger than the head coach You don't know?  |
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Post by Peebag on Jan 17, 2015 11:01:07 GMT -5
Look at the final 4 teams in the playoffs - if you don't have a decent qb or decent qb play...you don't win squat.
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