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Post by tkasper01 on Feb 19, 2015 11:06:37 GMT -5
Here is what I would offer Harvin. 650,000 for every game he is available to play. 125,000 for every game he is hurt or otherwise not available to the team. If he plays all 16 games he gets 10.5 million. He has never played an entire season so chances are we will save some money and have a explosive player available at least 8-10 games. If he plays in 10 games he still makes over 7M a year.
Can the contract even be structured like that?
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Post by WOPtasticRCW on Feb 19, 2015 11:16:19 GMT -5
Rather use money to "overpay" Harvin than sign CJ Spiller. I rather resign harvin to a lesser deal and still get spiller.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Feb 19, 2015 12:02:39 GMT -5
3 yrs/ $18 million, $6 million guaranteed. I wouldn't go a dime over. I'd rather give Cobb $9 million per year, not injury prone, true production and can actually run the route tree from the outside with better hands. If Harvin is on the team next year the Jets still need to bring in a WR who can play opposite Decker. (i.e. Crabtree). Harvin isn't that guy. Totally agree here, the injury thing is a big concern. I think the Jets should wait until FA starts and see if they can lure a guy like Cobb or Torrey Smith. They are better players than Harvin.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 19, 2015 12:21:39 GMT -5
If this guy walks it's a throwaway of a sixth round pick to have him on the team for half a season and barely contribute, ccertainly did not lead to any wins. (not that it's his fault, just saying what a bad move this was)
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 19, 2015 13:27:50 GMT -5
3 yrs/ $18 million, $6 million guaranteed. I wouldn't go a dime over. I'd rather give Cobb $9 million per year, not injury prone, true production and can actually run the route tree from the outside with better hands. If Harvin is on the team next year the Jets still need to bring in a WR who can play opposite Decker. (i.e. Crabtree). Harvin isn't that guy. Yikes, 9 million for Cobb to be the outside compliment to Decker? That's far from ideal. I would rather draft the outside compliment to Decker, I can get a better player for far less money. Cobb is nice, but not at 9M.
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Post by choon328 on Feb 19, 2015 14:13:27 GMT -5
3 yrs/ $18 million, $6 million guaranteed. I wouldn't go a dime over. I'd rather give Cobb $9 million per year, not injury prone, true production and can actually run the route tree from the outside with better hands. If Harvin is on the team next year the Jets still need to bring in a WR who can play opposite Decker. (i.e. Crabtree). Harvin isn't that guy. Yikes, 9 million for Cobb to be the outside compliment to Decker? That's far from ideal. I would rather draft the outside compliment to Decker, I can get a better player for far less money. Cobb is nice, but not at 9M. We have almost $60 million to spend if we release Harvin. We need to spend about $50-$55 million to be in compliance this year and it'll be very difficult to spend that much money. We have the money to bring in another high priced WR and we really should. If the Jets wanted to they could bring in Julius Thomas, Cobb, Iupati and Kareem Jackson and McCourty and still have $15-$20 million left. I don't think people are grasping how hard it is to spend that much money. The Jets should use this money to bring in 4-5 higher priced players at positions of need and then another 5-6 mid level guys for depth purposes. It would immediately speed up the rebuilding process by a couple of years. And the good thing is that they have to spend the money, no excuses this year. As far as Cobb is concerned I'm assuming you haven't seen him play before. To say you can get a better for far less money is ridiculous. Far less money would be $4.5 million per year or more. So tell me, what FA are you bringing in that is far better? Kerley makes $4 million per year and Cobb has been way better than him.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Feb 19, 2015 14:27:00 GMT -5
Yikes, 9 million for Cobb to be the outside compliment to Decker? That's far from ideal. I would rather draft the outside compliment to Decker, I can get a better player for far less money. Cobb is nice, but not at 9M. We have almost $60 million to spend if we release Harvin. We need to spend about $50-$55 million to be in compliance this year and it'll be very difficult to spend that much money. We have the money to bring in another high priced WR and we really should. If the Jets wanted to they could bring in Julius Thomas, Cobb, Iupati and Kareem Jackson and McCourty and still have $15-$20 million left. I don't think people are grasping how hard it is to spend that much money. The Jets should use this money to bring in 4-5 higher priced players at positions of need and then another 5-6 mid level guys for depth purposes. It would immediately speed up the rebuilding process by a couple of years. And the good thing is that they have to spend the money, no excuses this year. As far as Cobb is concerned I'm assuming you haven't seen him play before. To say you can get a better for far less money is ridiculous. Far less money would be $4.5 million per year or more. So tell me, what FA are you bringing in that is far better? Kerley makes $4 million per year and Cobb has been way better than him. I've seen plenty of Cobb and at 9M per year he will be overpaid here and not necessary. Yes you can draft a better outside compliment than Cobb at a far less price tag. Plus it's not hard to spend that money because it is cash expenditure not cap expenditure. All signing bonus is included in that money, so it's not hard to use that money. Extend Wilkerson, sign some corners, a safety, a RB, an O lineman and you can easily reach that threshold.
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Post by leftturn3 on Feb 19, 2015 17:26:58 GMT -5
Here is what I would offer Harvin. 650,000 for every game he is available to play. 125,000 for every game he is hurt or otherwise not available to the team. If he plays all 16 games he gets 10.5 million. He has never played an entire season so chances are we will save some money and have a explosive player available at least 8-10 games. If he plays in 10 games he still makes over 7M a year. Can the contract even be structured like that? Ummm,,,, no! 10.5 goes on the books. You cant predict lower numbers due to possible injuries for a cap number.
I do appreciate the tongue liking sig, but this very bazar to me.
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Post by vicmill on Feb 19, 2015 18:22:55 GMT -5
Yikes, 9 million for Cobb to be the outside compliment to Decker? That's far from ideal. I would rather draft the outside compliment to Decker, I can get a better player for far less money. Cobb is nice, but not at 9M. We have almost $60 million to spend if we release Harvin. We need to spend about $50-$55 million to be in compliance this year and it'll be very difficult to spend that much money. We have the money to bring in another high priced WR and we really should. If the Jets wanted to they could bring in Julius Thomas, Cobb, Iupati and Kareem Jackson and McCourty and still have $15-$20 million left. I don't think people are grasping how hard it is to spend that much money. The Jets should use this money to bring in 4-5 higher priced players at positions of need and then another 5-6 mid level guys for depth purposes. It would immediately speed up the rebuilding process by a couple of years. And the good thing is that they have to spend the money, no excuses this year. As far as Cobb is concerned I'm assuming you haven't seen him play before. To say you can get a better for far less money is ridiculous. Far less money would be $4.5 million per year or more. So tell me, what FA are you bringing in that is far better? Kerley makes $4 million per year and Cobb has been way better than him. I don't know. I think Tannenbaum could spend that in a few days easy.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Feb 19, 2015 20:26:31 GMT -5
We have almost $60 million to spend if we release Harvin. We need to spend about $50-$55 million to be in compliance this year and it'll be very difficult to spend that much money. We have the money to bring in another high priced WR and we really should. If the Jets wanted to they could bring in Julius Thomas, Cobb, Iupati and Kareem Jackson and McCourty and still have $15-$20 million left. I don't think people are grasping how hard it is to spend that much money. The Jets should use this money to bring in 4-5 higher priced players at positions of need and then another 5-6 mid level guys for depth purposes. It would immediately speed up the rebuilding process by a couple of years. And the good thing is that they have to spend the money, no excuses this year. As far as Cobb is concerned I'm assuming you haven't seen him play before. To say you can get a better for far less money is ridiculous. Far less money would be $4.5 million per year or more. So tell me, what FA are you bringing in that is far better? Kerley makes $4 million per year and Cobb has been way better than him. I don't know. I think Tannenbaum could spend that in a few days easy. It would take Idzik several centuries.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Feb 19, 2015 20:58:32 GMT -5
Procrastinating at work and looking at my initial research for my dynasty fantasy league draft when I came across this Rotoworld article about the correlation between tall and heavy WRs and success in the red zone. The author made this point particularly in relation to Percy (at 5'11" and 184lb, Harvin is both below average in height and weight for the position): www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/46279/311/wr-size--and--red-zone-efficiency?pg=2Although it's written from the perspective of a fantasy team owner, I contend that it's relevant to how much the Jets should pay him, if they want to keep him. Everyone talks about his game-breaking ability and points to his kick return TD at the start of Super Bowl 48 (too lazy to look up the Roman numerals), but when you break down his history of scoring TDs, I'd argue that $10.5 million/season is too much to pay. If he's not prepared to renegotiate his deal to something much lower than that, then kick him to the curb and look for a replacement in the draft.
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Post by carlito1171 on Feb 20, 2015 10:07:57 GMT -5
We could re-work his deal....
But given our cap space I would keep him at his current salary and see if he can behave for a full season before sending him any guaranteed $$$....
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Post by rangerous on Feb 22, 2015 16:03:08 GMT -5
We could re-work his deal.... But given our cap space I would keep him at his current salary and see if he can behave for a full season before sending him any guaranteed $$$.... i'm not sure what "behave" means. seems like harvin had a pretty good attitude when he joined the jets. whatever was going on in seattle stayed there. i don't think harvin will ever be the wr he thinks he ought to be.
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Post by carlito1171 on Feb 22, 2015 19:03:44 GMT -5
We could re-work his deal.... But given our cap space I would keep him at his current salary and see if he can behave for a full season before sending him any guaranteed $$$.... i'm not sure what "behave" means. seems like harvin had a pretty good attitude when he joined the jets. whatever was going on in seattle stayed there. i don't think harvin will ever be the wr he thinks he ought to be. I don't think he will be a problem here in NY either for whatever reason, but he's overstayed his welcome since his Florida days.....can't overlook it that's all...
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Post by choon328 on Feb 23, 2015 21:26:25 GMT -5
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Would be shocked if Percy Harvin agreed to any reduced deal w/NYJ. Expect NE among those interested. And I keep hearing Spiller to JetsHere is where LaConfora and others are missing the point. The Jets don't have to restructure his contract. They are $51 million under the cap with Harvin's contract the way it is. So they can conceivably let him play out this year under his existing contract and go forward with no guarantees after 2015. Also when I hear things like "the Patriots are among those interested", to me that's the agent trying to scare the Jets into blinking on a bigger extension then what they're offering at this point. The Jets have all the leverage in this situation. They don't have to make a decision on Harvin for 9 days after free agency begins so they can feel out the market for other WR's and if they don't like the prices or talent they can just keep Harvin at his existing salary. I think the Jets will feel out Cobb and see what it would take to bring him in since him and Harvin are similar players and Cobb is less of a risk. If his asking price is too high I think they keep Harvin. I actually think this is what the Jets will do with Harvin now if they can't bring Cobb in. If Harvin has a huge year in 2015 the Jets still have him under contract for a few more years with no guaranteed money which allows them to always have leverage against Harvin in any future negotiation. I would still like them to add a complimenting piece opposite Decker whether they have Cobb or Harvin b/c they are both better slot WR's. The Jets need another outside threat. As far as Spiller goes I think the interest is mutual and I expect this deal with him to be announced the first day of free agency.
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