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Post by jetstream23 on Feb 20, 2015 6:21:09 GMT -5
When I think of Dee Milliner I cant help but think of this video: Gives me hope that he at least has a high ceiling. Problem is... even when he was healthy, he got burnt so badly in busted coverages that Rex had to bench him. I think its smart to look at him as bonus depth at the CB position, but nothing more than that. Not till he proves us wrong. The problem with his high ceiling is that he'd break his leg trying to jump and touch it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 20:43:54 GMT -5
Stitch em' up, jack em' up and throw him in there.
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Post by rangerous on Feb 21, 2015 10:49:40 GMT -5
the thing is some guys are able to get over an early spate of injuries and then have some pretty good careers. with milliner his biggest problem, imo, was showing up late to camp and not putting in enough effort to get into nfl shape. he showed some flashes towards the end of 2013 and certainly factored in the decision to release cromartie. considering that cro had a bad hip and didn't really play that well it wasn't a really bad decision at the time. but then considering what cro ultimately signed for with the cardinals it was. wasn't patterson signed for roughly the same? anyway, the jury is still out on milliner and even mcdougal. if he (or they) both come back it will alleviate the corner problem. at this stage the jet's best course is to get another very good corner in free agency and then use a fairly high pick to draft one.
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Post by kentuckyjet on Feb 21, 2015 16:11:30 GMT -5
Milliner is not a bust. Its often ridiculous reading these comments with no real basis. The guy was injured. The last part of his first season with CRO alongside him, the guy was dynamite. How soon we forget!
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Post by jdeacon on Feb 22, 2015 13:30:16 GMT -5
Milliner is not a bust. Its often ridiculous reading these comments with no real basis. The guy was injured. The last part of his first season with CRO alongside him, the guy was dynamite. How soon we forget! Not a bust in the talent department, but he is absolutely a bust in the production you would expect from the 9th overall pick over the past 2 years. Injuries may not be his fault but all the talent in the world will not help him if he can't keep himself on the field. |
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 22, 2015 14:15:18 GMT -5
When healthy I think he was showing signs of being a shut down corner. But he's showing that he's made of glass. Thanks Idzik. Let's not be too hasty (see what I did there?) in letting Rex off the hook on this one. You just know he was clamoring for another CB after Revis was traded. Granted, ultimate decision was with the GM, but Rex is a guilty accessory IMO. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 22, 2015 14:20:53 GMT -5
Milliner is not a bust. Its often ridiculous reading these comments with no real basis. The guy was injured. The last part of his first season with CRO alongside him, the guy was dynamite. How soon we forget! Not a bust in the talent department, but he is absolutely a bust in the production you would expect from the 9th overall pick over the past 2 years. Injuries may not be his fault but all the talent in the world will not help him if he can't keep himself on the field. Exactly. As others have said - Macagnan can't count on him being an available starter as he assembles a team. As he himself has indicated, Milliner will just be a depth player on the chart and if he does better than that it's a happy bonus. At 9th overall, that's a "bust" in my book. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 22, 2015 14:22:15 GMT -5
When healthy I think he was showing signs of being a shut down corner. But he's showing that he's made of glass. Thanks Idzik. Let's not be too hasty (see what I did there?) in letting Rex off the hook on this one. You just know he was clamoring for another CB after Revis was traded. Granted, ultimate decision was with the GM, but Rex is a guilty accessory IMO. How can you blame Rex for wanting (i.e. needing) a CB? In fact as I recall he was hot for DJ Hayden, not Milliner. |
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Post by Jetworks on Feb 22, 2015 15:42:15 GMT -5
Let's not be too hasty (see what I did there?) in letting Rex off the hook on this one. You just know he was clamoring for another CB after Revis was traded. Granted, ultimate decision was with the GM, but Rex is a guilty accessory IMO. How can you blame Rex for wanting (i.e. needing) a CB? In fact as I recall he was hot for DJ Hayden, not Milliner. I blame him for forcing the issue to use a 1st round pick on need versus best player available, especially when the guy they got had known issues to begin with. Just seems dumb. |
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Post by jcappy on Feb 22, 2015 16:17:45 GMT -5
How can you blame Rex for wanting (i.e. needing) a CB? In fact as I recall he was hot for DJ Hayden, not Milliner. I blame him for forcing the issue to use a 1st round pick on need versus best player available, especially when the guy they got had known issues to begin with. Just seems dumb. Who was the BPA when Milliner was picked? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NFL_draftNot too many glamorous names jumping off the board in the first round, plus we got Sheldon 4 picks later.. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 22, 2015 16:26:44 GMT -5
How can you blame Rex for wanting (i.e. needing) a CB? In fact as I recall he was hot for DJ Hayden, not Milliner. I blame him for forcing the issue to use a 1st round pick on need versus best player available, especially when the guy they got had known issues to begin with. Just seems dumb. But the point is I don't think he forced it - I don't think he wanted Milliner at all. Or at least not at that pick. (I bet he wanted Sheldon at 9). And knowing now how Idzik's 'process' worked - i.e. the opposite of collaborative and how poorly they two got along, I don't believe Rex had much influence over draft decisions. At this point I think he would have done whatever the opposite of what Rex said. Just because. |
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Feb 24, 2015 17:52:11 GMT -5
Someone please correct if I'm wrong but has there been a better CB duo since Revis and Cro? I think not.
Idzik should have signed a locker room leader and soldier who had proven himself to the staff and team in Cromartie. Cro stated he wanted to be a NYJ and we go and sign a no body who played 15 games out of 48 or whatever? Here's the kicker....almost the same $$$. Negligible difference in $$ if I recall correctly.
Well, after the Pats winning the SB I think Revis stays put (Thanks Idzik, we had to the $ to bring Revis back and keep him way from a div. Rival)
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Post by rangerous on Feb 24, 2015 21:34:59 GMT -5
Someone please correct if I'm wrong but has there been a better CB duo since Revis and Cro? I think not. Idzik should have signed a locker room leader and soldier who had proven himself to the staff and team in Cromartie. Cro stated he wanted to be a NYJ and we go and sign a no body who played 15 games out of 48 or whatever? Here's the kicker....almost the same $$$. Negligible difference in $$ if I recall correctly. Well, after the Flats* winning the SB I think Revis stays put (Thanks Idzik, we had to the $ to bring Revis back and keep him way from a div. Rival) well no but that was only for one season. remember revis held out and then was injured and out for a few games with a bad hammy and cromartie also contended with a bunch of nagging injuries. and even with the dynamic duo the jets had last season, if the offense put points on the board it would have been moot. the poor qb play was the biggest problem last season and has been for the past 6. |
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Post by greenreaper on Feb 25, 2015 21:36:37 GMT -5
Tony Pauline of Draft Insiders has herd from his sources that BigMacc-TBowles are going to be very aggressive in FA in attacking the CB positions. And will be going after more then just one corner. And then getting a young corner in the draft.
If Jets sign a couple of quality FA corners. Then I don't think they would use their 6th pick on a Trae Waynes. Instead they may use a 2nd rounder on a Marcus Peters or a Quentin Rollins if they fall to them.
This tells me the Jets don't see Milliner as being counted to be ready or healthy for the start of this season. Nothing new there. That's how it's been the prior two years.
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