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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 19, 2015 12:01:37 GMT -5
I along with most people said Idzik's second draft : either the CB situation or not getting one of the WR's in the draft, was the move that sunk his GM'hood. But I think maybe his very first move as GM might have been his worst. I was not happy with the pick of Dee Milliner at 9, because of his injury history. And maybe that was too high even if he was healthy - as DJ Hayden may even have been a better pick. The disaster at CB this season started with that pick of Milliner. And now- they're saying Milliner might not even be ready for football activities till this summer www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8325/dee-millinerTaking a CB at 6 is definitely a reach but I can see how Mayock would suggest it- the position is completely empty. Milliner cannot be counted on to start after missing so much time, nor to stay healthy once he is back up to speed (if and when that happens). And McDougle is a complete unknown who also will have major catching up to do after missing his entire rookie season.
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Post by joepnyj1 on Feb 19, 2015 12:07:34 GMT -5
I along with most people said Idzik's second draft : either the CB situation or not getting one of the WR's in the draft, was the move that sunk his GM'hood. But I think maybe his very first move as GM might have been his worst. I was not happy with the pick of Dee Milliner at 9, because of his injury history. And maybe that was too high even if he was healthy - as DJ Hayden may even have been a better pick. The disaster at CB this season started with that pick of Milliner. And now- they're saying Milliner might not even be ready for football activities till this summer www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8325/dee-millinerTaking a CB at 6 is definitely a reach but I can see how Mayock would suggest it- the position is completely empty. Milliner cannot be counted on to start after missing so much time, nor to stay healthy once he is back up to speed (if and when that happens). And McDougle is a complete unknown who also will have major catching up to do after missing his entire rookie season. Totally agree...it seems like Idzik ignored the injury issues that Milliner had in college and his medical assessment during the draft process last year. If you remember teams were reportedly scared away by his medical. The talent is there with Dee but now I see Mac going after a top notch free agent CB and FS. Then draft another CB in the 2-3 round to pair with Miliner. The trade down scenario (possibly with the Eagles) seems like a best case scenario for the Jets, I just don't see the Jets taking a CB with the 6th overall pick because it would be a reach.
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Post by DDNYjets on Feb 19, 2015 12:57:01 GMT -5
Honestly, I would have been shocked if he was ready for OTAs. That is a brutal injury. I expect him to start the season on PUP.
Like I said after he had the injury, we have to go forward planning without him. If he ever comes back it is a bonus but we shouldn't rely on it at all. Same for McDougle. Sign 2 CBs in FA that we plan to be starters for us. Would also like to find a #3 as well.
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Post by madcroatian on Feb 19, 2015 12:59:12 GMT -5
When I think of Dee Milliner I cant help but think of this video:
Gives me hope that he at least has a high ceiling. Problem is... even when he was healthy, he got burnt so badly in busted coverages that Rex had to bench him.
I think its smart to look at him as bonus depth at the CB position, but nothing more than that. Not till he proves us wrong.
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Post by MDL JET on Feb 19, 2015 13:03:55 GMT -5
I mean Maccagnan said it best yesterday… "When you factor in a player coming off an injury, it's a bit of an unknown. You could have a negative outcome, but also you could have a very positive outcome. So to me it's maybe a bit of a wild card. ... If we address that position and he comes back strongly, it just makes that position even stronger. And I will say this with cornerbacks — and I don't think this is anything any other GM wouldn't say — you can never have enough good ones."
They'll definitely address corner in FA. We already have Cromartie waiting at the front door.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 19, 2015 13:14:46 GMT -5
I mean Maccagnan said it best yesterday… "When you factor in a player coming off an injury, it's a bit of an unknown. You could have a negative outcome, but also you could have a very positive outcome. So to me it's maybe a bit of a wild card. ... If we address that position and he comes back strongly, it just makes that position even stronger. And I will say this with cornerbacks — and I don't think this is anything any other GM wouldn't say — you can never have enough good ones."They'll definitely address corner in FA. We already have Cromartie waiting at the front door. except John Idzik of course.
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Post by 20andout on Feb 19, 2015 13:38:34 GMT -5
While Milliner has certainly lived up to draft concerns that he is injury prone, I am keeping my fingers crossed that there may be something salvagable there. Glad Mac sounds like he is planning on not having him available though.
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Post by southside on Feb 19, 2015 14:19:43 GMT -5
When healthy I think he was showing signs of being a shut down corner. But he's showing that he's made of glass. Thanks Idzik.
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Post by greenwave on Feb 19, 2015 14:41:33 GMT -5
Of their last four top-10 picks, three have been busts. You can argue D-Rob was serviceable, but for what they gave up, ultimately a bad pick.
Jets have to take advantage of the stock here. Would love to see a trade down followed by a trade up or two to get the guys they really want - would show a level of savvy we haven't seen from a FO in as long as I can remember.
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Post by jcappy on Feb 19, 2015 15:09:21 GMT -5
I mean Maccagnan said it best yesterday… "When you factor in a player coming off an injury, it's a bit of an unknown. You could have a negative outcome, but also you could have a very positive outcome. So to me it's maybe a bit of a wild card. ... If we address that position and he comes back strongly, it just makes that position even stronger. And I will say this with cornerbacks — and I don't think this is anything any other GM wouldn't say — you can never have enough good ones."They'll definitely address corner in FA. We already have Cromartie waiting at the front door. except John Idzik of course. Idzik just missed the part where they had to actually be good. Going into the season last year I'm pretty sure we had like 12 JAG CBs on the roster...and even with that our safety (Allen) was starting within a few weeks.
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Post by carlito1171 on Feb 19, 2015 20:02:52 GMT -5
I hate to say it but Milliner might be toast.....he'll surely lose a step after tearing his Achilles and we all know he wasn't the model for consistency to begin with
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Post by Aussie Jet on Feb 19, 2015 20:33:00 GMT -5
In hindsight, it wasn't a great pick. Milliner did have an injury history at Alabama, but nothing like what he's suffered at the Jets (I do wonder if his Achilles tear was related to the fact he suffered leg injuries in pre-season). As I posted on the old JetsInsider board, one of the senior and talented players at my local AFL club, Hawthorn, tore his Achilles tendon in a game and has returned better than before, so there's hope that with the right surgery and the right rehab, Milliner can become a valuable contributor to the Jets.
Given that the Jets had just traded Revis after he missed most of the season with his knee injury, clearly the cornerback position was one of need, with nothing across from Cro.
Idzik would have been lynched had he taken DJ Hayden ahead of Milliner, given Hayden's heart condition. Desmond Trufant, taken at 22 by the Falcons, has turned into a good starting CB for the Dirty Birds. Don't now much about Xavier Rhodes (taken at 25 by the Vikings).
In round 2, the Lions took Darius Slay at 36, the Bucs took Johnthan Banks at 43, the SKins took David Amerson at 51, the Phins Jamar Taylor at 54, and the Falcons doubled down on CBs by taking Robert Alford at pick 60. The Jags took Gratz at 64, and then there was a run on DBs in the third round.
It seems to me that, apart from Trufant, the CB class in 2013 looks pretty diabolical and whomever Idzik took to replace Revis was never going to amount to much.
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Post by Aussie Jet on Feb 19, 2015 20:42:43 GMT -5
The player I'm referring to - Jarryd Roughead - is fourth from the left on the front row of my sig photo. He's about 6'3" and roughly 220lb.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 19, 2015 21:22:20 GMT -5
Can't really argue any of the points here but if he was a reach and/or shouldn't have been taken where he was taken he isn't really a bust, it's a really bad pick.
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Post by Hotman on Feb 20, 2015 0:11:00 GMT -5
Don't wanna see us draft another corner for at least 10 years
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