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Post by jetstream23 on Feb 24, 2015 14:04:24 GMT -5
I wonder whether Idzik was listening to Bradway or coming up with those terrible picks all on his own. Either way, I'm glad both are out. There was no way we were keeping 12 rookies from the Draft plus some rookie free agents. Those 12 picks should have been turned into 9 or 10 in a 7 Round Draft as the Jets maneuvered to get better quality rather than quantity. With such a WR rich draft there certainly were opportunities to do something like trade two 4th rounders to move up into the 3rd round for a better WR.
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Post by DowNY on Feb 24, 2015 14:28:02 GMT -5
Who is this Idzshit guy you speak of?
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Post by Brady's a catcher on Feb 24, 2015 14:32:44 GMT -5
Just makes me want to choke idzik with one of my daughter's dirty diapers. What a fuckin' dunce, so much damage done and incompetence in such a short time.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 15:05:33 GMT -5
It sucks though, like the article says, everyone knows the jets are desperate for corners. So were gonna have to overpay for it. I'm not huge fan of cromartie but if he genuinely wants to come here and will for cheap, sign that sob asap. And if the Jets are the only team after a corner or just a couple are trying to sign a player how does that get the player more money? If you need one corner, like the competition will need or two like you think the Jets need how do you get more money? Think this is over blown.
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Post by JetBidi on Feb 24, 2015 15:11:43 GMT -5
Just makes me want to choke idzik with one of my daughter's dirty diapers. What a fuckin' dunce, so much damage done and incompetence in such a short time. LOL
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Post by JonEJet on Feb 24, 2015 16:28:48 GMT -5
Easy to kick a man when he's not around to defend himself
I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between
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Post by southside on Feb 24, 2015 16:44:30 GMT -5
Easy to kick a man when he's not around to defend himself I'm sure the truth is somewhere in between They were kicking him when he was here with the same criticism. He sat on his hands. I'd be all for it because he said let's build through the draft..... and then he completely shit on the draft as well.
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Post by nolenation on Feb 24, 2015 16:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Feb 24, 2015 17:17:13 GMT -5
I wonder whether Idzik was listening to Bradway or coming up with those terrible picks all on his own. Either way, I'm glad both are out. There was no way we were keeping 12 rookies from the Draft plus some rookie free agents. Those 12 picks should have been turned into 9 or 10 in a 7 Round Draft as the Jets maneuvered to get better quality rather than quantity. With such a WR rich draft there certainly were opportunities to do something like trade two 4th rounders to move up into the 3rd round for a better WR. Honestly, this sounds bad to say/write but imagine what Tannebaum could have done with those 12 picks.... Something tells me we'd have a corner, a legit safety and two WRs.... Point is; Idzik was an introvert with zero balls. At least Tanny had confidence in himself. Confidence goes a long way sometimes even if you don't know wtf you're doing....
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Post by lileprechaun on Feb 24, 2015 17:41:05 GMT -5
I wonder whether Idzik was listening to Bradway or coming up with those terrible picks all on his own. Either way, I'm glad both are out. There was no way we were keeping 12 rookies from the Draft plus some rookie free agents. Those 12 picks should have been turned into 9 or 10 in a 7 Round Draft as the Jets maneuvered to get better quality rather than quantity. With such a WR rich draft there certainly were opportunities to do something like trade two 4th rounders to move up into the 3rd round for a better WR. While I agree that Idzik could have been much more creative with those picks and moved up, even if the Jets stayed pat in the fourth and took Bruce Ellington and Martavis Bryant, our draft would have been worlds better. But it couldn't have been all on Idzik. Our scouting department obviously thought they were geniuses for targeting players that were in the woodwork and avoiding the obvious. Sometimes a choice is obvious for a reason. Then to completely turn Scrooge in FA was beyond all understanding. What was Idzik saving for - his retirement?
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Post by Aussie Jet on Feb 24, 2015 19:11:43 GMT -5
Playing Devil's advocate, I do wonder whether Idzik was under instructions from Woody to not deal with Revis' agents when Tampa Bay cut him. I recall that Woody was very unimpressed with Revis' constant hold-outs that were instigated by his uncle and agent. Although the Jets had the room to give Revis what he and his agents wanted, I do wonder whether Woody just didn't want to deal with Revis.
Obviously Woody came to regret that decision, given his public comments about how he would love to have Revis back.
In my view, Idzik's biggest mistake was not coming out of the draft with some bona fide wide receivers who could contribute from day 1. Amaro was a decent pick in the second round but it's fair to say that the Jets didn't exploit his skill set to the best of their ability. Pryor was a disappointment in the end of the season. McDougle in the third round? A stretch.
Although a lot of the picks Idzik used were compensatory picks that he couldn't trade, he needed to manoeuvre his way around the draft and pick players who were best available but also filled a need. This way he wouldn't have needed to trade a conditional sixth round pick to the Seahawks to take on Harvin.
Given Idzik's background was as a numbers' man, presumably he put a lot of faith in Bradway and the scouts he inherited from Tanny to give him players. It was refreshing to see Mac-Daddy clean house as soon as he put his feet under the desk.
At the end of the day, Woody has to carry the can for Idzik's hire. He went to the trouble of hiring an executive search firm to find his replacement GM. Obviously he listened to their advice and went with Idzik. I think it's just another example that success in business does not necessarily translate to success in football.
Hopefully his new approach of hiring some wise NFL heads to provide him with counsel on whom to hire pays dividends.
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Post by richcasterfan on Feb 24, 2015 19:33:14 GMT -5
This should be read in conjunction with a post Tony Pauline wrote recently...: www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=10468If we can connect these dots (if the dots are indeed accurate) it would seem that the big FA money will go towards CB and OLB, with smaller money going to OL. I would deduce that the target in the first round will be either OLB or OL... Beasley or Scherff maybe, with Mariotta getting serious thought if he's available and Cooper generally unxpected to be available. if we're not investing big dollars in OL this FA then a big upgrade in the draft should be expected, though i can easily see Maccagbowles double-dipping on pass rushers Who is Bob Maccagnan? Was Mike fired already?
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Post by rangerous on Feb 24, 2015 21:15:17 GMT -5
here's the thing though. sure the jets need some good corners. the combination of allen and walls and whoever was really bad especially since it forced pryor to play out of position. but consider too that the offense managed a measily 17 points per game. the bad corner play could have been countered with an offense that could put 24 on the board. so imo, i wouldn't be so quick to overpay for free agent corners unless they were darrelle revis. i would use the free agent money for offense and get the corners in the draft. i'd also keep my fingers crossed that either milliner or macdougal or both will be ready when the season comes.
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Post by rangerous on Feb 24, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -5
There was no way we were keeping 12 rookies from the Draft plus some rookie free agents. Those 12 picks should have been turned into 9 or 10 in a 7 Round Draft as the Jets maneuvered to get better quality rather than quantity. With such a WR rich draft there certainly were opportunities to do something like trade two 4th rounders to move up into the 3rd round for a better WR. While I agree that Idzik could have been much more creative with those picks and moved up, even if the Jets stayed pat in the fourth and took Bruce Ellington and Martavis Bryant, our draft would have been worlds better. But it couldn't have been all on Idzik. Our scouting department obviously thought they were geniuses for targeting players that were in the woodwork and avoiding the obvious. Sometimes a choice is obvious for a reason. Then to completely turn Scrooge in FA was beyond all understanding. What was Idzik saving for - his retirement? they still need a qb who can get the ball to the receivers. until proven otherwise, that perfect geno game was simply another cosmic tease for being a jets fan. geno is what his record and qbr make him to be.
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Post by kdelgado62 on Feb 24, 2015 21:21:09 GMT -5
I think it's unlikely that Revis gives the Pats the benefit of renegotiating his deal with the Jets willing to pay him as much as they are. It will take a serious future cap ruining extension to keep Revis exclusive to them so he'll hit free agency. The biggest loss Revis took leaving the Jets was the loss of endorsements. He had a signature shoe and was in commercials, hopefully someone reminds him of that.
Shocking that 2 years later we might have Revis and Cro again... Fuckig Idzik
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