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Post by rangerous on Feb 24, 2015 21:21:43 GMT -5
Playing Devil's advocate, I do wonder whether Idzik was under instructions from Woody to not deal with Revis' agents when Tampa Bay cut him. I recall that Woody was very unimpressed with Revis' constant hold-outs that were instigated by his uncle and agent. Although the Jets had the room to give Revis what he and his agents wanted, I do wonder whether Woody just didn't want to deal with Revis. Obviously Woody came to regret that decision, given his public comments about how he would love to have Revis back. In my view, Idzik's biggest mistake was not coming out of the draft with some bona fide wide receivers who could contribute from day 1. Amaro was a decent pick in the second round but it's fair to say that the Jets didn't exploit his skill set to the best of their ability. Pryor was a disappointment in the end of the season. McDougle in the third round? A stretch. Although a lot of the picks Idzik used were compensatory picks that he couldn't trade, he needed to manoeuvre his way around the draft and pick players who were best available but also filled a need. This way he wouldn't have needed to trade a conditional sixth round pick to the Seahawks to take on Harvin. Given Idzik's background was as a numbers' man, presumably he put a lot of faith in Bradway and the scouts he inherited from Tanny to give him players. It was refreshing to see Mac-Daddy clean house as soon as he put his feet under the desk. At the end of the day, Woody has to carry the can for Idzik's hire. He went to the trouble of hiring an executive search firm to find his replacement GM. Obviously he listened to their advice and went with Idzik. I think it's just another example that success in business does not necessarily translate to success in football. Hopefully his new approach of hiring some wise NFL heads to provide him with counsel on whom to hire pays dividends. revis was certainly a great player when he wanted to be. the hold outs were troubling and the last one forced him to miss quite a few games. woody and idzik were right to see if they could unload him. and if the truth be told, it's not like revis was such a great part of the patsie superbowl win either. chalk that one up to blind dumb luck and petey carroll's sieve of a defense. revis is still very good but he's not 20 or even 15 million good. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Feb 24, 2015 21:36:52 GMT -5
I think it's unlikely that Revis gives the Flats* the benefit of renegotiating his deal with the Jets willing to pay him as much as they are. It will take a serious future cap ruining extension to keep Revis exclusive to them so he'll hit free agency. The biggest loss Revis took leaving the Jets was the loss of endorsements. He had a signature shoe and was in commercials, hopefully someone reminds him of that. Shocking that 2 years later we might have Revis and Cro again... Fuckig Idzik Yeah, I don't get how eveyrone's assuming Revis staying with Pats (as the media is doing) is a foregone conclusion. Now that he has a ring he has even more incentive to bolt for the highest bidder |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 24, 2015 22:54:09 GMT -5
The 2015 NFL Scouting Combine is history. After a few days in Indianapolis, here are a few Jets-related takeways from the combine gathered from talking to people in convention center corridors, hotel lobbies and bars last week in Indy: 1. It’s no secret the Jets need cornerbacks, but this week only put even more of an emphasis on it. The Jets, to their credit, are being honest about it. Both GM Mike Maccagnan and coach Todd Bowles acknowledged it during their media sessions. The sense I get is the Jets are going to add players at this position through both free agency and the draft. “Todd likes to play Cover 1 all day long,” one NFL coach said. “That’s straight-up man-press. He better find some corners quick if he wants to do that.”
The Jets are expected to be one of the primary suitors for Seahawks free agent Byron Maxwell. The talk in Indy was that the Jets and Eagles would be the two teams fighting for him. After Maxwell, there is a bit of a drop off, but the Jets likely will add one of the second-tier corners, too – possibly Antonio Cromartie, who has publicly campaigned for a return to the Jets. Everyone I spoke with expects the Patriots to bring back Darrelle Revis, so the Jets might not get a crack at bringing back their former first-round pick. One thing to remember here is that agents are aware how desperate the Jets are for cornerbacks and the Jets may have to overpay this year. Former GM John Idzik’s refusal to pay a premium for corners last year left them in this position. Now, Maccagnan will be tested to see how high he will go. In the draft, I heard the Jets are very high on LSU’s Jalen Collins and Wake Forest’s Kevin Johnson. Keep an eye on them if they slip into the second round. I came away from the combine convinced the Jets will either take QB Marcus Mariota with the No. 6 overall pick or a pass rusher. If WR Amari Cooper falls to 6, that might complicate the decision. This should be read in conjunction with a post Tony Pauline wrote recently...: www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=10468If we can connect these dots (if the dots are indeed accurate) it would seem that the big FA money will go towards CB and OLB, with smaller money going to OL. I would deduce that the target in the first round will be either OLB or OL... Beasley or Scherff maybe, with Mariotta getting serious thought if he's available and Cooper generally unxpected to be available. if we're not investing big dollars in OL this FA then a big upgrade in the draft should be expected, though i can easily see Maccagbowles double-dipping on pass rushers interesting, that must be a new post from Tony... makes sense for the corners. I don't know you got Beasley or Scherff at 6 out of that. I'd puke. |
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Post by Paradis on Feb 24, 2015 22:55:18 GMT -5
who wrote this article? It directly conflicts with the best Jets news of the offseason:
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Post by vicmill on Feb 25, 2015 8:20:02 GMT -5
It sucks though, like the article says, everyone knows the jets are desperate for corners. So were gonna have to overpay for it. I'm not huge fan of cromartie but if he genuinely wants to come here and will for cheap, sign that sob asap. And if the Jets are the only team after a corner or just a couple are trying to sign a player how does that get the player more money? If you need one corner, like the competition will need or two like you think the Jets need how do you get more money? Think this is over blown. I agree. The market will set the price and the Jets will generally need to pay market price just like everyone else. The fact that players know the Jets need corners does nothing to the prices. If a player prices himself above market, move on to the next guy. Shoddy reporting in my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 9:30:48 GMT -5
And if the Jets are the only team after a corner or just a couple are trying to sign a player how does that get the player more money? If you need one corner, like the competition will need or two like you think the Jets need how do you get more money? Think this is over blown. I agree. The market will set the price and the Jets will generally need to pay market price just like everyone else. The fact that players know the Jets need corners does nothing to the prices. If a player prices himself above market, move on to the next guy. Shoddy reporting in my opinion. My bigger concern is that it's not just the Jets who are going to have a lot of money to spend. There are multiple teams with $25 million plus in free cap space. And it's not just bad teams. Good teams who can sell the player not only on $$$ but on a chance to win have lots of space: Colts: $43 million Bengals: $37 million Chargers: $31 million Packers: $29 million Broncos: $28 million Seahawks: $25 million Eagles: $24 million These are all teams where guys could conceivably take a little LESS money then offered by the Jets in order to be on a team with a better chance of making the playoffs. So....as usual....a good thing for the Jets, $51 million in cap space, is not really as good as it should be. (SOJF) Here's the link to Jason's site with the estimated cap space numbers for each team: overthecap.com/salary-cap-space |
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Post by nolenation on Feb 25, 2015 10:03:27 GMT -5
I agree. The market will set the price and the Jets will generally need to pay market price just like everyone else. The fact that players know the Jets need corners does nothing to the prices. If a player prices himself above market, move on to the next guy. Shoddy reporting in my opinion. My bigger concern is that it's not just the Jets who are going to have a lot of money to spend. There are multiple teams with $25 million plus in free cap space. And it's not just bad teams. Good teams who can sell the player not only on $$$ but on a chance to win have lots of space: Colts: $43 million Bengals: $37 million Chargers: $31 million Packers: $29 million Broncos: $28 million Seahawks: $25 million Eagles: $24 million These are all teams where guys could conceivably take a little LESS money then offered by the Jets in order to be on a team with a better chance of making the playoffs. So....as usual....a good thing for the Jets, $51 million in cap space, is not really as good as it should be. (SOJF) Here's the link to Jason's site with the estimated cap space numbers for each team: overthecap.com/salary-cap-spaceDo you think the Jets have a chance to win next year? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 10:20:23 GMT -5
My bigger concern is that it's not just the Jets who are going to have a lot of money to spend. There are multiple teams with $25 million plus in free cap space. And it's not just bad teams. Good teams who can sell the player not only on $$$ but on a chance to win have lots of space: Colts: $43 million Bengals: $37 million Chargers: $31 million Packers: $29 million Broncos: $28 million Seahawks: $25 million Eagles: $24 million These are all teams where guys could conceivably take a little LESS money then offered by the Jets in order to be on a team with a better chance of making the playoffs. So....as usual....a good thing for the Jets, $51 million in cap space, is not really as good as it should be. (SOJF) Here's the link to Jason's site with the estimated cap space numbers for each team: overthecap.com/salary-cap-spaceDo you think the Jets have a chance to win next year? That's not the question to ask....do the Jets have a chance to win next year?....absolutely. Do the teams I listed have a better chance to win next year then the Jets?.....absolutely. |
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Post by nolenation on Feb 25, 2015 10:56:50 GMT -5
I would mostly agree, with the exception of the Colts and possibly Denver (assuming M.anning continues to decline next season or he is not there at all).
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 25, 2015 12:01:57 GMT -5
I agree. The market will set the price and the Jets will generally need to pay market price just like everyone else. The fact that players know the Jets need corners does nothing to the prices. If a player prices himself above market, move on to the next guy. Shoddy reporting in my opinion. My bigger concern is that it's not just the Jets who are going to have a lot of money to spend. There are multiple teams with $25 million plus in free cap space. And it's not just bad teams. Good teams who can sell the player not only on $$$ but on a chance to win have lots of space: Colts: $43 million Bengals: $37 million Chargers: $31 million Packers: $29 million Broncos: $28 million Seahawks: $25 million Eagles: $24 million These are all teams where guys could conceivably take a little LESS money then offered by the Jets in order to be on a team with a better chance of making the playoffs. So....as usual....a good thing for the Jets, $51 million in cap space, is not really as good as it should be. (SOJF) Here's the link to Jason's site with the estimated cap space numbers for each team: overthecap.com/salary-cap-spaceExcept that you have to factor in how many expiring contracts a team has to deal with. The Jets don't have many. So while Denver is on the list, they are going to struggle signing their own players, are trying to decide who's more important to Manning, a TE or WR and which Thomas to keep. Hardly sounds like they'll be a player in the FA market on the level of the Jets. Same with Seattle. They have Wilson and others to sign, 19 FA's on their roster. Without the benefit of a capologist its hard to know just looking at a list this, its a lot easier to just be a SOJF and assume the sky is falling.  |
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Post by rangerous on Feb 26, 2015 6:06:15 GMT -5
the thing about idzik causing the team to fail because he only offered rex a one year deal is somewhat troubling. obviously it was an ultimatum in the sense that rex either had to get to the playoffs or go home. these guys are still professionals and they should have played to win each game regardless of the coahes status. rex too needed to defuse the situation. i mean he could have easily acted pouty and that attitude can go all through the team. imo the guy it really impacted was geno. geno is borderline punk and seems to have trouble taking direction. knowing that rex and the coaching staff was going to change might have made him that much less wanting to listen and learn.
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