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Post by Harrier on Feb 24, 2015 15:56:11 GMT -5
10.5 mil is a heavy price tag for a gadget player, that's more than Deckers on as a well paid #2. Mac might want to allocate those resources to players that are worth that price tag, I'd rather dump Harvin, keep the 4th and throw the bank at Lupati, Maxwell, Cobb/Crabtree/Maclin. Just because we have 50 mil cap room does not mean we still don't need value for money. We could use that 10.5 mil on a player who will contribute in a much bigger way than Harvin. Cobb and Maclin would cost about the same or only marginally less and require much more guaranteed, which can always create future cap problems and/or suck when players get injured or simply begin to suck. Crabtree already kinda sucks anyway and Maclin isn't leaving Philly. Iupati (not happening) and Maxwell can both easily be afforded with or without Harvin, and even with Harvin we can still easily afford a guy like Torrey Smith or the somewhat sucky Crabtree. and we'd STILL be able to afford another mid-range CB and even a flashy pass rusher. my feeling is you either cut him or keep his current contract, renegotiating to save money this offseason is a waste. the non guaranteed money will motivate him. I think Harvin has a lot of talent, he's a game changer on his day and has a unique skill set, but 10.5 mil for a player who is often injured and offers little as a receiving threat is to steep in the eyes of most general managers. Im on the fence with it, if he stays then great, if not I won't be cryin in my wang over it.
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Post by jcappy on Feb 24, 2015 15:59:20 GMT -5
Sign a true #1 or draft a WR in the first, Percy at 2, Decker at 3, Kerley in the slot with Amaro at TE and Ivory/Powell/FA at RB with a revamped OLine.
If a QB can't succeed with that they deserve to be flipping burgers.
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Post by sadface on Feb 24, 2015 16:47:58 GMT -5
Cobb and Maclin would cost about the same or only marginally less and require much more guaranteed, which can always create future cap problems and/or suck when players get injured or simply begin to suck. Crabtree already kinda sucks anyway and Maclin isn't leaving Philly. Iupati (not happening) and Maxwell can both easily be afforded with or without Harvin, and even with Harvin we can still easily afford a guy like Torrey Smith or the somewhat sucky Crabtree. and we'd STILL be able to afford another mid-range CB and even a flashy pass rusher. my feeling is you either cut him or keep his current contract, renegotiating to save money this offseason is a waste. the non guaranteed money will motivate him. I think Harvin has a lot of talent, he's a game changer on his day and has a unique skill set, but 10.5 mil for a player who is often injured and offers little as a receiving threat is to steep in the eyes of most general managers. Im on the fence with it, if he stays then great, if not I won't be cryin in my wang over it. i agree he's not worth 10.5. but 10.5 is worth 0 guaranteed. thats the trade-off for me. ultimately i agree with you, hes overpaid and i won't be crying or hollering one way or the other -- i just lean towards keeping him, because the contract is so easy to swallow and having him around is better than not. if we restructure him, pay him 8/year instead but up the guarantees significantly, it'll be a lot harder to believe it was worth it when youve essentially eliminated the ability to cut or trade him due to the cap implications.
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Post by sadface on Feb 24, 2015 16:49:13 GMT -5
Sign a true #1 or draft a WR in the first, Percy at 2, Decker at 3, Kerley in the slot with Amaro at TE and Ivory/Powell/FA at RB with a revamped OLine. If a QB can't succeed with that they deserve to be flipping burgers. agreed 100%. we finally have an opportunity to field more talent than we've had in years. let's take advantage of it.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 17:27:54 GMT -5
i continue to see no reason to get rid of Harvin. he is more helpful than most fourth round picks when he's on the field (admittedly isn't as often as one would hope) and his contract is a really easy pill. fans are concerned about the 10.5 million but ignore the fact that its 0% guaranteed. there is very little reason to believe we will be able to spend 50 million in free agency, our own extensions, and the draft - so cut the spending to 40, have 10 for the season to carry over, and you'll be surprised how much good quality you can afford for 40 million, plus getting to keep Harvin with zero guaranteed dollars. we lose a pick if we release him anyway. just keep him, even at 10.5 Because he's not really a WR? He's a gadget player on a team that really doesn't have the luxury to waste cap dollars in a player that hardly makes any team better?
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Post by guidoyaz on Feb 24, 2015 17:34:09 GMT -5
There's really no surprise there. If (a big IF) he can stay healthy, he fits perfectly into that system. Little dump off passes and let the receiver do the work. But there is no way Harvin is worth $10.5 million a year. He needs to restructure or be cut (regardless of who else is interested). Other than the Flats* don't have a lot of cap room and have some checks to write to Revis etc. And of course to sign every single high profile players who are released around the league. Pats will have plenty of cap room when it comes time, and besides, the $10.5 million figure is only significant to the Jests. Once released, he'll be lucky to fetch $6-7.5 million per on maybe a two year deal.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 17:37:09 GMT -5
Other than the Flats* don't have a lot of cap room and have some checks to write to Revis etc. And of course to sign every single high profile players who are released around the league. Flats* will have plenty of cap room when it comes time, and besides, the $10.5 million figure is only significant to the Jests. Once released, he'll be lucky to fetch $6-7.5 million per on maybe a two year deal. Sure they do. They will sign all their players. Redo Revis for .30 cents on a dollar, get Brady to redo his deal, etcetera . They don't have to but will. Because it's either the bestest in NE or they'll cheat
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Post by guidoyaz on Feb 24, 2015 18:08:30 GMT -5
Flats* will have plenty of cap room when it comes time, and besides, the $10.5 million figure is only significant to the Jests. Once released, he'll be lucky to fetch $6-7.5 million per on maybe a two year deal. Sure they do. They will sign all their players. Redo Revis for .30 cents on a dollar, get SparkleSparkleBrady to redo his deal, etcetera . They don't have to but will. Because it's either the bestest in NE or they'll cheat Well, it IS hard to do better than be SB Champs, so I guess "bestest" is accurate, if not grammatically incorrect.
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Post by southside on Feb 24, 2015 18:13:50 GMT -5
They shouldn't cut him. He fits perfectly into Chan Gailey's offense.
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Post by BrownBoogieboarder on Feb 24, 2015 19:56:51 GMT -5
Ok guys please tell me what the situation with Harvin's salary is as a NYJ...more details the better.
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 24, 2015 20:43:31 GMT -5
Who is Percy Harain?
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Post by rangerous on Feb 24, 2015 21:25:24 GMT -5
so then the jets (or buffalo) should just make a good run at revis and run up the patsie payroll. the patsies aren't going to pay revis 20million. they will let him out fully expecting to get him back for less money but more up front and a longer term. so the jets should make a good offer that will give revis pause to think.
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Post by Ff2 on Feb 24, 2015 21:32:40 GMT -5
so then the jets (or buffalo) should just make a good run at revis and run up the Flats*ie payroll. the Flats*ies aren't going to pay revis 20million. they will let him out fully expecting to get him back for less money but more up front and a longer term. so the jets should make a good offer that will give revis pause to think. No way the NEPs release him, thinking they will get a discount. Jets can't make an offer unless NEPs release him. So, unless the Jets tamper, he will have no idea what they will pay him. And the Jets would never cheat.
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Post by greenwave on Feb 24, 2015 21:50:02 GMT -5
The Jets could be 100M under the cap, and there'd still be fans saying, "don't sign player X, he stubbed his toe six years ago...and it MIGHT HAPPEN AGAIN!"
There's absolutely no reason to consider cutting Harvin until there's a player they want that they would be unable to sign due to his salary. And if the Jets plan to load up on so much talent that they need to free up the 10.5M this year, then I'll be fine with letting him go.
Until that unlikely point is reached, his 10.5M might as well be .105M, since cutting him has the same cap impact at either number. Harvin stays on the Jets next year unless they choose to sign every single high-dollar FA available, or decide that a 4th rounder is more valuable than one of the most dangerous players in the league.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Feb 24, 2015 23:51:29 GMT -5
Sure they do. They will sign all their players. Redo Revis for .30 cents on a dollar, get SparkleSparkleSparkleBrady to redo his deal, etcetera . They don't have to but will. Because it's either the bestest in NE or they'll cheat Well, it IS hard to do better than be SB Champs, so I guess "bestest" is accurate, if not grammatically incorrect. Talk about missing the point
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