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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 12, 2015 10:55:12 GMT -5
After seeing how things have played out in FA, I don't see how the Jets can justify not going OL in round 1 or 2. Personally, I think it's a mistake if they don't try to trade back a few spots and take the best available OL at around 12. Agreed on the need for ILB depth. Same goes for an over the top WR. but I'm not sold on a guy getting drafted outside round 1 putting the fear into a defense. OLB is always a crapshoot for 3-4 types, and we've come up snake-eyes as of late on that. I agree. Mac was at Cooper's pro day yesterday so I still think there is a chance we might go WR if he is there but I would be very happy picking up an OL if we dropped down. Not sexy for the fans but the last time we went OL in the first round it turned out pretty well for us. Both Miami and Buffalo has very stout defensive lines so the investment is well worth it.
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Post by Jets Things on Mar 12, 2015 10:57:13 GMT -5
If mariotta is there at 6 you have to take him. If he is gone I go best Wr, either white or cooper. If they don't go qb or wr with 6 I would take an OlB I am going edge rusher ahead of WR. If Beasley or Fowler are on the board at 6 (assuming Mariota is gone) I take either of them ahead of WR. There should still be some great WR options who can help take the top off of a defense in the 2nd round -- Devin Smith, Green-Beckham, Sammie Coates, Breshad Perriman could all be on the board at the top of the 2nd. I don't think there will be many edge rushers who can contribute immediately in the 2nd. 100% agree with all this.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 12, 2015 10:57:51 GMT -5
I think we need to dispel the notion that trading back with Cleveland from 6 to 12 would net the Jets Clevelands 19th pick. That would be more than double what the market value is for that kind of move. Far more likely that it will be their second round pick. Agreed. If we trade with Cleveland -- the 12 and their 2nd are much more realistic than 12 & 19. I still see Cleveland as a potential trading partner to get ahead of Chicago for a guy like Danny Shelton or a WR. I think they stand still at 12 and 19. They have many needs, they could get Parker at 12 and Goldman at 19, or go O line at 12 and Strong at 19. If I am Cleveland I keep those picks.
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Post by jetstream23 on Mar 12, 2015 10:58:08 GMT -5
After seeing how things have played out in FA, I don't see how the Jets can justify not going OL in round 1 or 2. Personally, I think it's a mistake if they don't try to trade back a few spots and take the best available OL at around 12. Agreed on the need for ILB depth. Same goes for an over the top WR. but I'm not sold on a guy getting drafted outside round 1 putting the fear into a defense. OLB is always a crapshoot for 3-4 types, and we've come up snake-eyes as of late on that. I'll disagree with the bold part. If you're not looking for a WR that "checks all the boxes" of size, speed, experience, route running, physicality, etc. and you're really just looking for a burner type then you can absolutely find that outside of Round 1. John Brown, (3rd Round, #91 overall last year to the Cardinals), is the perfect example. Not ideal size (about 5'10"), came from a small school (Pittsburg State in Kansas I think), but has hands and speed. He's a big time over the top deep threat for Arizona. If we're happy with Marshall and Decker as our WR1 and WR2 who basically have the total package of WR attributes and we're really looking for a deep threat who is maybe undersized then Round 2-4 are where we can get that IMO.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 12, 2015 10:58:21 GMT -5
I agree. Mac was at Cooper's pro day yesterday so I still think there is a chance we might go WR if he is there but I would be very happy picking up an OL if we dropped down. Not sexy for the fans but the last time we went OL in the first round it turned out pretty well for us. Both Miami and Buffalo has very stout defensive lines so the investment is well worth it. If we drop down, Scherff is the guy I want. He could come in and start immediately at G and could slide over and replace Brick at LT someday. Would still prefer an edge rusher at 6 -- but the OL is an area of concern and would be an option if we move back.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Mar 12, 2015 11:00:16 GMT -5
If mariotta is there at 6 you have to take him. If he is gone I go best Wr, either white or cooper. If they don't go qb or wr with 6 I would take an OlB I am going edge rusher ahead of WR. If Beasley or Fowler are on the board at 6 (assuming Mariota is gone) I take either of them ahead of WR. There should still be some great WR options who can help take the top off of a defense in the 2nd round -- Devin Smith, Green-Beckham, Sammie Coates, Breshad Perriman could all be on the board at the top of the 2nd. I don't think there will be many edge rushers who can contribute immediately in the 2nd. Agreed. Fowler...DGB...Anthony....David Johnson with first 4 picks.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 12, 2015 11:00:24 GMT -5
Agreed. If we trade with Cleveland -- the 12 and their 2nd are much more realistic than 12 & 19. I still see Cleveland as a potential trading partner to get ahead of Chicago for a guy like Danny Shelton or a WR. I think they stand still at 12 and 19. They have many needs, they could get Parker at 12 and Goldman at 19, or go O line at 12 and Strong at 19. If I am Cleveland I keep those picks. You are probably right. I am looking at things based on scenarios that would work for the Jets, not the Browns. Maybe they move up if they really like Mariota and he is still available, but its unlikely otherwise.
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 12, 2015 11:00:56 GMT -5
I agree. Mac was at Cooper's pro day yesterday so I still think there is a chance we might go WR if he is there but I would be very happy picking up an OL if we dropped down. Not sexy for the fans but the last time we went OL in the first round it turned out pretty well for us. Both Miami and Buffalo has very stout defensive lines so the investment is well worth it. If we drop down, Scherff is the guy I want. He could come in and start immediately at G and could slide over and replace Brick at LT someday. Would still prefer an edge rusher at 6 -- but the OL is an area of concern and would be an option if we move back. I like Scherff but I also like Erving who has already proven he can play all along the OL.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Mar 12, 2015 11:01:24 GMT -5
I am going edge rusher ahead of WR. If Beasley or Fowler are on the board at 6 (assuming Mariota is gone) I take either of them ahead of WR. There should still be some great WR options who can help take the top off of a defense in the 2nd round -- Devin Smith, Green-Beckham, Sammie Coates, Breshad Perriman could all be on the board at the top of the 2nd. I don't think there will be many edge rushers who can contribute immediately in the 2nd. 100% agree with all this. At this point, as much as I want White, I would agree with this too.
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Post by Jetworks on Mar 12, 2015 13:44:34 GMT -5
After seeing how things have played out in FA, I don't see how the Jets can justify not going OL in round 1 or 2. Personally, I think it's a mistake if they don't try to trade back a few spots and take the best available OL at around 12. Agreed on the need for ILB depth. Same goes for an over the top WR. but I'm not sold on a guy getting drafted outside round 1 putting the fear into a defense. OLB is always a crapshoot for 3-4 types, and we've come up snake-eyes as of late on that. I'll disagree with the bold part. If you're not looking for a WR that "checks all the boxes" of size, speed, experience, route running, physicality, etc. and you're really just looking for a burner type then you can absolutely find that outside of Round 1. John Brown, (3rd Round, #91 overall last year to the Cardinals), is the perfect example. Not ideal size (about 5'10"), came from a small school (Pittsburg State in Kansas I think), but has hands and speed. He's a big time over the top deep threat for Arizona. If we're happy with Marshall and Decker as our WR1 and WR2 who basically have the total package of WR attributes and we're really looking for a deep threat who is maybe undersized then Round 2-4 are where we can get that IMO. Oh, yea I get that. But what I was saying is that just getting a speed guy doesn't mean the defenses will open up underneath because they fear Drafted WR X. There've been speedy guys on the Jets the past couple of years, but none of them made an impact. Guess that's what I was trying to say. More I think about it, the more I want them to go OL. I think with a solid OL, this team could do some damage.
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Post by jcappy on Mar 12, 2015 13:48:04 GMT -5
I'll disagree with the bold part. If you're not looking for a WR that "checks all the boxes" of size, speed, experience, route running, physicality, etc. and you're really just looking for a burner type then you can absolutely find that outside of Round 1. John Brown, (3rd Round, #91 overall last year to the Cardinals), is the perfect example. Not ideal size (about 5'10"), came from a small school (Pittsburg State in Kansas I think), but has hands and speed. He's a big time over the top deep threat for Arizona. If we're happy with Marshall and Decker as our WR1 and WR2 who basically have the total package of WR attributes and we're really looking for a deep threat who is maybe undersized then Round 2-4 are where we can get that IMO. Oh, yea I get that. But what I was saying is that just getting a speed guy doesn't mean the defenses will open up underneath because they fear Drafted WR X. There've been speedy guys on the Jets the past couple of years, but none of them made an impact. Guess that's what I was trying to say. More I think about it, the more I want them to go OL. I think with a solid OL, this team could do some damage. It's alright, Idzik drafted Jalen Saunders to be our burner, maybe this year he can make the - oh wait. Idzik strikes again.
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Post by DowNY on Mar 12, 2015 14:42:30 GMT -5
As long as I could remember , I've never been 1 to want to trade back in round 1 but at this time, I think it's best to do it.
I really want 1 of these RBs early & WRs. A WR that can do KR & PR.
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Post by Gunnails on Mar 12, 2015 15:10:21 GMT -5
As long as I could remember , I've never been 1 to want to trade back in round 1 but at this time, I think it's best to do it. I really want 1 of these RBs early & WRs. A WR that can do KR & PR. It's funny cause I always want to trade back in round one and did till about 36 hours ago, now I'm not so sure there is a real advantage doing so
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Post by Augustiniak on Mar 12, 2015 15:25:43 GMT -5
it's difficult to see them taking anything but an olb or qb in the first round if they stay at 6, since they can get a good wr prospect later on. i'm curious if they'd want a rb in the early 2nd.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 12, 2015 17:44:18 GMT -5
Just looking at out moves so far and I am trying to read into them as far as possible draft strategy (even though I admittedly don't know what they'll do come draft day). My thoughts: 1) Based on what we've spent (and are trying to spend) on the secondary, I'm assuming the FO knew this was an area of major need and since this was projected to be a weak secondary class, they decided to take care of our needs via FA. With McDougle coming back and having drafted Pryor last year, I doubt we see any DBs drafted. Milliner is an unknown at this point and can't be factored in. 2) Some said that keeping Pace & Babin was merely a "place holder" act until FA and the draft ended. I agree. I haven't heard of us looking to bring in any pass rushers in FA. Yes, we have Reilly and IK from last year, but it's looking like we may address this early in the draft. 3) Trading for Marshall was a no-brainer. Without a doubt Marshall, Decker and Kerley are our 1-3 WRs. Evans and Enunwa will probably get a chance in camp at the #4 spot. One thing we're missing is that "blow the top off the D" WR. We have a lot of strong possession guys. I can see us taking a burner in the mid-rounds this year. I don't think we'll go WR at #6 even though I love White. 4) While rumors were that we'd go hard for Spiller, I don't believe he's been in to visit. We re-signed Powell and have Richardson. It's a strong draft for RBs. I think we'll see one taken in the first half of the draft as well. 5) O-line was an issue last year. We signed Carpenter. We still have a bunch of young guys in Aboushi, Dozier, Winters and Freeman. I think Aboushi will get moved back to OT given the amount of guards we have. Could go OT later. 6) If we go 3-4, we need depth at ILB. We re-signed Harris and have Davis but we're scary thin after that. No rumors of us talking to any LBs at this point. Expect us to address in the draft. 7) QB - (sigh). Trading for Fitz is ok with me. Didn't cost much and he's had success with Gailey. Still hope the light goes on for Geno but who knows. Will be verrrrrrryyy interesting if Mariota is there at 6. If he is, unless someone blows us away with a trade, I think we need to take him. The wildcard is if the front office has fallen in love with another QB they could take later. IMO, as of today, our draft priorities are: OLB ILB RB QB WR (speed) OL imo your draft priorities may be right but if mariota is there at 6 they will take him. the qb is still the biggest question mark on this team. genooo has got to show a whole lot more and fitz has had good and bad games. imo the one thing that's certain is this is a win now defense. to not have decent offense in place is borderline criminal.
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