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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 5, 2014 10:12:33 GMT -5
What I find interesting is the pissing match between Rex and MM, and how Rex was willing to sacrifice MM to save himself while could still salvage his job...
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Post by Touchable on Dec 5, 2014 10:15:58 GMT -5
On JI there was a thread where I talked about how you couldn't purposefully tank the season because it would have lasting effects on the players and the culture of the team. People said I was a dumby. Turns out they were the dumbys. This is why you can't just tank the season for a draft pick. +1 As a lifelong Jets fan I simply cannot root against them and hope they lose, ESPECIALLY in games against teams like the Dolphins, Pats***, etc. Even if I tried I think it would only last a few seconds and then I'd just naturally gravitate to cheering when we get 1st downs, score, etc. Besides, I still have never heard a valid, well-articulated argument for how beneficial it is for the Jets to pick at say 4th instead of 9th in the draft! We've taken Vernon Gholston at #6 and Darrelle Revis at #14. We took Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson in the 1st Round and Jeremy Kerley in the 5th. We took Stephen Hill in the 2nd Round and Antonio Allen in the 7th. I want to win games because we rarely "win the Draft." Besides, fucking up someone's postseason dreams or playoff seeding (ex. pushing the Pats*** into the AFC 2nd seed instead of 1st) is MUCH more fun! Of course you can select a bust anywhere in the draft. Most people want us to lose out so we can be in position to draft Mariota. You aren't doing that by picking at #7, #9, etc. I love a guy like Amari Cooper...but who the hell is throwing him the ball? Guys like Decker and Harvin (especially Harvin) are super talented but they're unable to demonstrate it at this point because of the complete and utter shitshow that we have at QB. As I and others have stated before, winning that bullshit meaningless game against KC in 2007 ended up being the difference between selecting Vernon Gholston and Matt Ryan. If you told me that I could have Marcus Mariota, a potential franchise QB for the next 10+ years, or I could win a pointless game against the Pats* to drop them one position in the playoff order...I know what direction I'm going in.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 5, 2014 10:27:34 GMT -5
On JI there was a thread where I talked about how you couldn't purposefully tank the season because it would have lasting effects on the players and the culture of the team. People said I was a dumby. Turns out they were the dumbys. This is why you can't just tank the season for a draft pick. I want to win games because we rarely "win the Draft." Besides, fucking up someone's postseason dreams or playoff seeding (ex. pushing the Pats** into the AFC 2nd seed instead of 1st) is MUCH more fun! I don't get that line of thinking at all. You would rather see the Pats be the second seed in playoffs than the Jets being able to draft a legit QB prospect? How is that more fun exactly? Wanting the Jets to lose games doesn't mean you are a bad fan, it just means you are putting the long term big picture ahead of the immediate future. Vernon Gholston happened precisely because the Jets won a meaningless game late in the season.
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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 5, 2014 10:31:18 GMT -5
I want to win games because we rarely "win the Draft." Besides, fucking up someone's postseason dreams or playoff seeding (ex. pushing the Pats*** into the AFC 2nd seed instead of 1st) is MUCH more fun! I don't get that line of thinking at all. You would rather see the Pats* be the second seed in playoffs than the Jets being able to draft a legit QB prospect? How is that more fun exactly? Wanting the Jets to lose games doesn't mean you are a bad fan, it just means you are putting the long term big picture ahead of the immediate future. Vernon Gholston happened precisely because the Jets won a meaningless game late in the season. Amen! Suck for the Duck, Winless for Winston, Play like poop for the Coop, etc Whatever floats your boat but that should be the objective.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 5, 2014 10:43:18 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me.
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Post by southparkcpa on Dec 5, 2014 10:45:57 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. Now that you are a MOD, I cant tell you GFY! But I agree almost 100 percent. I however digress and want to be in a position to draft Mariotta and if winning ONE more game hurts that, then lose on is my mantra.
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Post by jetstream23 on Dec 5, 2014 10:48:23 GMT -5
It's different here. You're EXPECTED to tell the mods to go fuck themselves. In fact, we may be the only board with a forum titled, "Member Disagreements, Arguments, and Issues" ha!
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 5, 2014 11:08:25 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. I understand your point of view. Regardless of where the Jets end up drafting, the Front Office has to understand that it is imperative for the Jets to get an upper tier QB. IMO they should do whatever it takes to trade up to secure Mariota. He's no Andrew Luck, but he will "likely" be much better than any QB we've seen in a Jet uniform in a long, long time.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 5, 2014 11:15:15 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. I understand your point of view. Regardless of where the Jets end up drafting, the Front Office has to understand that it is imperative for the Jets to get an upper tier QB. IMO they should do whatever it takes to trade up to secure Mariota. He's no Andrew Luck, but he will "likely" be much better than any QB we've seen in a Jet uniform in a long, long time. If that is the plan, then the difference between trading up from the 6th position rather than the 3rd position could be the difference between having to give up your 2016 first round pick or not. Sorry, but beating the Pats in this lost season means absolutely nothing, especially if it means having to trade away a future first round pick.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 5, 2014 11:17:56 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. I understand your point of view. Regardless of where the Jets end up drafting, the Front Office has to understand that it is imperative for the Jets to get an upper tier QB. IMO they should do whatever it takes to trade up to secure Mariota. He's no Andrew Luck, but he will "likely" be much better than any QB we've seen in a Jet uniform in a long, long time. That's what it comes down to for me. I don't care if Mariota isn't a "can't miss" prospect or the best QB to come out of college in 20 years. If he was, we'd have no damn shot at him. He'd be a Raider in 4 months, period. Case closed. Don't care if he never develops into a truly "elite" QB like Rodgers, Peyton, Sparklepony, Luck or Brees. If he turns out to be a Top 15 QB and provides us with stability at the position for the next 8-10 years...then who the hell is going to be complaining about giving up a few picks to secure him?
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Post by Jet Blast on Dec 5, 2014 11:55:07 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. I understand your point of view. Regardless of where the Jets end up drafting, the Front Office has to understand that it is imperative for the Jets to get an upper tier QB. IMO they should do whatever it takes to trade up to secure Mariota. He's no Andrew Luck, but he will "likely" be much better than any QB we've seen in a Jet uniform in a long, long time. Truth. And if he doesn't work out, we need to do it again. And Again. And keep on doing it until we find ourselves a franchise QB. At whatever cost is necessary. A few years down the road, no one will care if we paid a high price as long as we actually find this elusive player.
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Post by kdelgado62 on Dec 5, 2014 12:34:50 GMT -5
Who cares what these underperforming vets think? We can't fall lower than 3rd overall to secure Mariotta and Cooper could still be in play there as well. Those guys are trying to keep their jobs for next year but they did nothing to make us sure they should be retained.
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Everyone else can EAD and hit the road.
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Post by RobR on Dec 5, 2014 12:49:26 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. Maybe we don't screw up our first round pick this year except for the meaningless Miami win last year. It dropped us 6-7 slots in the draft this year.....we lose that game maybe we're excited with the play of OBJ instead of wincing every time Pryor wiffs on another tackle.
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Post by sec.101row23 on Dec 5, 2014 12:55:58 GMT -5
I'm obviously in the minority here....and I'm okay with that. I just watched the Jets screw up a 12 pick Draft. I've also seen us completely waste multiple 1st Round picks while striking gold (maybe more like silver) in later rounds. It's at the point where I just can't bring myself to get worked up over whether we pick 4th or 6th. At this point (December) it really isn't all that important to me. I'm sure it will be more important when April rolls around but WHERE we pick is nowhere near as important as WHO is doing the picking (ex. not Idzik). And, I just don't like the 4 Alarm meltdown the Jets are going through right now...I want to see another win or two this season. That's just me. Maybe we don't screw up our first round pick this year except for the meaningless Miami win last year. It dropped us 6-7 slots in the draft this year.....we lose that game maybe we're excited with the play of OBJ instead of wincing every time Pryor wiffs on another tackle. Agreed, it's not just the first round, it's every other round as well.
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Post by Sonny Werblin on Dec 5, 2014 12:58:25 GMT -5
I understand your point of view. Regardless of where the Jets end up drafting, the Front Office has to understand that it is imperative for the Jets to get an upper tier QB. IMO they should do whatever it takes to trade up to secure Mariota. He's no Andrew Luck, but he will "likely" be much better than any QB we've seen in a Jet uniform in a long, long time. Truth. And if he doesn't work out, we need to do it again. And Again. And keep on doing it until we find ourselves a franchise QB. At whatever cost is necessary. A few years down the road, no one will care if we paid a high price as long as we actually find this elusive player. Exactly, because trying to build a team and/or win with a ? at QB is impossible. All of the JJ Watts in the world are not worth nearly as much as 1 Aaron Rodgers.
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