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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 28, 2015 13:20:42 GMT -5
In fairness to him, so do 90% of all QBs at his level of experience. This year is key to what he will be. Of if he gets a chance i think most jets fans have been plenty fair to him. he was given quite a bit of latitude when he first started and even last season most fans wanted him to start. but the simple fact is genot lost 3 games all by himself and with idzik being a moron ruined the season. it's almost as if he bagged the season because he knew rex was going to be launched. we all hope that isn't true but how else do you explain going from a zero qbr to 158 during the season. and if there is a hint that he bagged the season then i for one won't shed a tear if he gets booed out of here. yeah i know all about the doltfins coming out flat and playing to get out of the stadium but even so, is genot that good? doubt it. i think bowles is going to surprise everyone in the way he treats genot. genot isn't going to be anointed. Actually I thing you're saying is fair. He came from a college offense, never was under center and has to learn the game as others did. But you, or Jets fans as you say, have given him less than one year. What the fuck Elway needed more time, Mannings needed more, eli needed 4 seasons, Montana, Steve Young, Aikman, on and on it goes. But Jets fans gave Geno what 23 or so while games? Not saying he's going to be elite or even serviceable but don't say he's been given latitude. He hasn't played long enough to know anything for sure.
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Post by jets.penguin on Mar 28, 2015 14:19:47 GMT -5
i think most jets fans have been plenty fair to him. he was given quite a bit of latitude when he first started and even last season most fans wanted him to start. but the simple fact is genot lost 3 games all by himself and with idzik being a moron ruined the season. it's almost as if he bagged the season because he knew rex was going to be launched. we all hope that isn't true but how else do you explain going from a zero qbr to 158 during the season. and if there is a hint that he bagged the season then i for one won't shed a tear if he gets booed out of here. yeah i know all about the doltfins coming out flat and playing to get out of the stadium but even so, is genot that good? doubt it. i think bowles is going to surprise everyone in the way he treats genot. genot isn't going to be anointed. Actually I thing you're saying is fair. He came from a college offense, never was under center and has to learn the game as others did. But you, or Jets fans as you say, have given him less than one year. What the fuck Elway needed more time, Mr. Foreheads needed more, eli needed 4 seasons, Montana, Steve Young, Aikman, on and on it goes. But Jets fans gave Geno what 23 or so while games? Not saying he's going to be elite or even serviceable but don't say he's been given latitude. He hasn't played long enough to know anything for sure. thank you, glad someone said it....
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Post by rangerous on Mar 28, 2015 15:14:27 GMT -5
Actually I thing you're saying is fair. He came from a college offense, never was under center and has to learn the game as others did. But you, or Jets fans as you say, have given him less than one year. What the fuck Elway needed more time, Mr. Foreheads needed more, eli needed 4 seasons, Montana, Steve Young, Aikman, on and on it goes. But Jets fans gave Geno what 23 or so while games? Not saying he's going to be elite or even serviceable but don't say he's been given latitude. He hasn't played long enough to know anything for sure. thank you, glad someone said it.... okay then, why was sanchez run outta town? yeah i get the whole thing and him being cheap and all but sanchez's biggest mistake was the butt fumble and after that he was toast. and we all get the sanchez as interception machine and all. but genot has done far worse in his two seasons. i'll grant anyone that he needs time to learn the game but some of the things he's pulled is beyond simply needing more time to learn. imo, he dogged it last season knowing rex was a goner. but i'm also a jet fan and if bowles gives him the job then it's settled. i just don't want genot to be anointed.
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Post by JETSALLDAY96 on Mar 28, 2015 15:25:45 GMT -5
thank you, glad someone said it.... okay then, why was sanchez run outta town? yeah i get the whole thing and him being cheap and all but sanchez's biggest mistake was the butt fumble and after that he was toast. and we all get the sanchez as interception machine and all. but genot has done far worse in his two seasons. i'll grant anyone that he needs time to learn the game but some of the things he's pulled is beyond simply needing more time to learn. imo, he dogged it last season knowing rex was a goner. but i'm also a jet fan and if bowles gives him the job then it's settled. i just don't want genot to be anointed. Geno has worked with nothing that resembles the talent Sanchez had around him first 2 years. Best oline in the NFL year 1 # rushing attack #1 defense Braylon Tone LT year 2. Geno has been stuck with banged up wr's a aging oline and a defense that couldn't get off the field on third down and couldn't create turnovers. Now this upcoming year we'll see how he does with Marshall Decker Amaro year 2 and a much improved secondary.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 28, 2015 16:29:27 GMT -5
In fairness to him, so do 90% of all QBs at his level of experience. This year is key to what he will be. Of if he gets a chance i think most jets fans have been plenty fair to him. he was given quite a bit of latitude when he first started and even last season most fans wanted him to start. but the simple fact is genot lost 3 games all by himself and with idzik being a moron ruined the season. it's almost as if he bagged the season because he knew rex was going to be launched. we all hope that isn't true but how else do you explain going from a zero qbr to 158 during the season. and if there is a hint that he bagged the season then i for one won't shed a tear if he gets booed out of here. yeah i know all about the doltfins coming out flat and playing to get out of the stadium but even so, is genot that good? doubt it. i think bowles is going to surprise everyone in the way he treats genot. genot isn't going to be anointed. Geno, or Idzik bagged the season? How? The upswing in QBR was a result of Geno always playing better when there's nothing at stake, plus what you say about Miami
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 29, 2015 1:14:18 GMT -5
thank you, glad someone said it.... okay then, why was sanchez run outta town? yeah i get the whole thing and him being cheap and all but sanchez's biggest mistake was the butt fumble and after that he was toast. and we all get the sanchez as interception machine and all. but genot has done far worse in his two seasons. i'll grant anyone that he needs time to learn the game but some of the things he's pulled is beyond simply needing more time to learn. imo, he dogged it last season knowing rex was a goner. but i'm also a jet fan and if bowles gives him the job then it's settled. i just don't want genot to be anointed. Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks.
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 29, 2015 7:45:05 GMT -5
okay then, why was sanchez run outta town? yeah i get the whole thing and him being cheap and all but sanchez's biggest mistake was the butt fumble and after that he was toast. and we all get the sanchez as interception machine and all. but genot has done far worse in his two seasons. i'll grant anyone that he needs time to learn the game but some of the things he's pulled is beyond simply needing more time to learn. imo, he dogged it last season knowing rex was a goner. but i'm also a jet fan and if bowles gives him the job then it's settled. i just don't want genot to be anointed. Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. Actually, in his 2nd in 3rd seasons, Sanchez did throw more TDs than picks. In 2010, Sanchez had 17 TDs and 13 picks (probably his best season in green and white). In 2011, he had 26TD and 18 picks. Although what Sanchez did as a Jet is irrelevant at this point. As far as I am concerned, the only thing that matters is who is the better QB in 2015 between Smith and Fitz (and anyone else that could still be added to the roster). Let them battle it out in camp and the best guy starts. Its probably best for the franchise long term if Geno wins the job and proves he can be a solid NFL QB. I am skeptical that he can be a good pro, but still hopeful that maybe he takes a step in year 3.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 29, 2015 8:22:12 GMT -5
okay then, why was sanchez run outta town? yeah i get the whole thing and him being cheap and all but sanchez's biggest mistake was the butt fumble and after that he was toast. and we all get the sanchez as interception machine and all. but genot has done far worse in his two seasons. i'll grant anyone that he needs time to learn the game but some of the things he's pulled is beyond simply needing more time to learn. imo, he dogged it last season knowing rex was a goner. but i'm also a jet fan and if bowles gives him the job then it's settled. i just don't want genot to be anointed. Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. and how many fumbles? genot personally cost the jets 3 games last season. the only reason why he didn't have more int's is because he was benched for 3 games. i'll support whatever bowles decision is but at this point it's hard to stomach another genot season.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 29, 2015 8:50:54 GMT -5
Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. and how many fumbles? genot personally cost the jets 3 games last season. the only reason why he didn't have more int's is because he was benched for 3 games. i'll support whatever bowles decision is but at this point it's hard to stomach another genot season. So if a player averages 1 pick to one INT over 13 games in your mind that means he would have thrown more picks tomINTS if he played more games? Because? Because you say so? Makes no sense. How about if I come back and said it would have been reversed. Would that make sense? The logic would be the same. Sanchez was let go because he didn't get the job done, his play was worse in year 5 than Genos year two. Of course the real point is what does Sanchez sucking or not sucking have to do with whether Geno has a chance to develop into a serviceable NFL QB? Because the answer is nothing.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 29, 2015 8:53:18 GMT -5
Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. Actually, in his 2nd in 3rd seasons, Sanchez did throw more TDs than picks. In 2010, Sanchez had 17 TDs and 13 picks (probably his best season in green and white). In 2011, he had 26TD and 18 picks. Although what Sanchez did as a Jet is irrelevant at this point. As far as I am concerned, the only thing that matters is who is the better QB in 2015 between Smith and Fitz (and anyone else that could still be added to the roster). Let them battle it out in camp and the best guy starts. Its probably best for the franchise long term if Geno wins the job and proves he can be a solid NFL QB. I am skeptical that he can be a good pro, but still hopeful that maybe he takes a step in year 3. I know, you're right. Just having fun. Nothing's better than someone who is completely over the top with either love or hate of a QB. but totally agree that Sanchez has nothing to do with this situation.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 29, 2015 8:59:47 GMT -5
okay then, why was sanchez run outta town? yeah i get the whole thing and him being cheap and all but sanchez's biggest mistake was the butt fumble and after that he was toast. and we all get the sanchez as interception machine and all. but genot has done far worse in his two seasons. i'll grant anyone that he needs time to learn the game but some of the things he's pulled is beyond simply needing more time to learn. imo, he dogged it last season knowing rex was a goner. but i'm also a jet fan and if bowles gives him the job then it's settled. i just don't want genot to be anointed. Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. You might want to look things up before going on a rant Mark Sanchez | Quarterback Career Stats Year Passing Rushing Fumb. Year Team G Comp Att % Yds Y/G Y/A 300+ TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD 100+ Lost 2010 NYJ 16 278 507 54.8 3291 205.7 6.5 2 17 13 30 105 6.6 3.5 3 0 1 2011 NYJ 16 308 543 56.7 3474 217.1 6.4 3 26 18 37 103 6.4 2.8 6 0 8 2014 PHI 9 198 309 64.1 2418 268.7 7.8 4 14 11 34 87 9.7 2.6 1 0 3
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Post by rangerous on Mar 29, 2015 13:02:23 GMT -5
and how many fumbles? genot personally cost the jets 3 games last season. the only reason why he didn't have more int's is because he was benched for 3 games. i'll support whatever bowles decision is but at this point it's hard to stomach another genot season. So if a player averages 1 pick to one INT over 13 games in your mind that means he would have thrown more picks tomINTS if he played more games? Because? Because you say so? Makes no sense. How about if I come back and said it would have been reversed. Would that make sense? The logic would be the same. Sanchez was let go because he didn't get the job done, his play was worse in year 5 than Genos year two. Of course the real point is what does Sanchez sucking or not sucking have to do with whether Geno has a chance to develop into a serviceable NFL QB? Because the answer is nothing. uh, genot threw 3 picks on three friggin successive plays. the last time i saw such a sucky performance was back in 1974 when joe willie gilliam was starting for the steelers. and i have never stated that the td/int ratio has a lot of meaning. namath had about a 1:1 ratio. and namath also had a pretty high ypc. and someone brought up elllway. he too had a pretty high int rate but those are guys from a different era when ints were a little more tolerable and they were typically far down the field. genot throws them within 5 yds of the line. it's when the ints are thrown and what happens after they are thrown. and since genot is very rantable, lets not forget the picks he has thrown at the goal line or in the red zone. the really sad thing is i doubt if genot's ability to throw picks will be tested in training camp or pre-season. by game 3, assumes he starts, we will know how sucky he will be for the season.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 29, 2015 13:41:53 GMT -5
Sanchez? He was run out of town because after 5 seasons he proved he sucked and never would be the guy to take the team to a title. He was given more than enough time to prove himself and got worse with time, not np better. It's not hard. You ou might want to actually look up numbers before going on a rant. Geno in year two had 13 TDs and 13 INTS. Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. You might want to look things up before going on a rant Mark Sanchez | Quarterback Career Stats Year Passing Rushing Fumb. Year Team G Comp Att % Yds Y/G Y/A 300+ TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD 100+ Lost 2010 NYJ 16 278 507 54.8 3291 205.7 6.5 2 17 13 30 105 6.6 3.5 3 0 1 2011 NYJ 16 308 543 56.7 3474 217.1 6.4 3 26 18 37 103 6.4 2.8 6 0 8 2014 PHI 9 198 309 64.1 2418 268.7 7.8 4 14 11 34 87 9.7 2.6 1 0 3 1. You might want to read more before jumping in late, I kind of explained it later, and I'm not ranting. Not close. 2. Who gives a shit what Sanchez did as an Eagle, we were discussing his Jets career. 3. His 5 year jets career, his regression, and he was tossed because his last season was 18 and 26. Add in 6 fumbles lost or so and that's why he's gone. Any argument that he shouldn't have been pushed aside would be lame. Or the biggest point, a 5 year career tells you what a player is. 23 starts for a QB doesn't really guarantee anything. Again, point really is that screaming for a QBs head after 23 starts isnt giving a QB latitude and enough games to prove what he will be
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 29, 2015 13:48:21 GMT -5
So if a player averages 1 pick to one INT over 13 games in your mind that means he would have thrown more picks tomINTS if he played more games? Because? Because you say so? Makes no sense. How about if I come back and said it would have been reversed. Would that make sense? The logic would be the same. Sanchez was let go because he didn't get the job done, his play was worse in year 5 than Genos year two. Of course the real point is what does Sanchez sucking or not sucking have to do with whether Geno has a chance to develop into a serviceable NFL QB? Because the answer is nothing. uh, genot threw 3 picks on three friggin successive plays. the last time i saw such a sucky performance was back in 1974 when joe willie gilliam was starting for the steelers. and i have never stated that the td/int ratio has a lot of meaning. namath had about a 1:1 ratio. and namath also had a pretty high ypc. and someone brought up elllway. he too had a pretty high int rate but those are guys from a different era when ints were a little more tolerable and they were typically far down the field. genot throws them within 5 yds of the line. it's when the ints are thrown and what happens after they are thrown. and since genot is very rantable, lets not forget the picks he has thrown at the goal line or in the red zone. the really sad thing is i doubt if genot's ability to throw picks will be tested in training camp or pre-season. by game 3, assumes he starts, we will know how sucky he will be for the season. So you're judging a QB and what he will develop onto off of 3 passes? Off of one game? I would rethink that logic. Elway was benched as a first year starter, threw 2 picks to each TD. 47TDs to 52 INTs after 3 seasons. Guess you would have written him off too. And ignore that Genos 25 TDs to 34 INTs aren't that much different, especially give he had absolutely no one to throw to year one.
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Post by rangerous on Mar 29, 2015 16:35:34 GMT -5
uh, genot threw 3 picks on three friggin successive plays. the last time i saw such a sucky performance was back in 1974 when joe willie gilliam was starting for the steelers. and i have never stated that the td/int ratio has a lot of meaning. namath had about a 1:1 ratio. and namath also had a pretty high ypc. and someone brought up elllway. he too had a pretty high int rate but those are guys from a different era when ints were a little more tolerable and they were typically far down the field. genot throws them within 5 yds of the line. it's when the ints are thrown and what happens after they are thrown. and since genot is very rantable, lets not forget the picks he has thrown at the goal line or in the red zone. the really sad thing is i doubt if genot's ability to throw picks will be tested in training camp or pre-season. by game 3, assumes he starts, we will know how sucky he will be for the season. So you're judging a QB and what he will develop onto off of 3 passes? Off of one game? I would rethink that logic. Elway was benched as a first year starter, threw 2 picks to each TD. 47TDs to 52 INTs after 3 seasons. Guess you would have written him off too. And ignore that Genos 25 TDs to 34 INTs aren't that much different, especially give he had absolutely no one to throw to year one. please keeping the genot kool aid. we'll see after 3 games if genot is worthy of the position. and as for elllway, that was a different era. i doubt if elllway's ints were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. face it, genot has made some pretty stupid decisions in his two seasons. he needed to have progressed after year one and he has gone backwards.
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