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Post by maury77 on Mar 29, 2015 18:59:13 GMT -5
So if a player averages 1 pick to one INT over 13 games in your mind that means he would have thrown more picks tomINTS if he played more games? Because? Because you say so? Makes no sense. How about if I come back and said it would have been reversed. Would that make sense? The logic would be the same. Sanchez was let go because he didn't get the job done, his play was worse in year 5 than Genos year two. Of course the real point is what does Sanchez sucking or not sucking have to do with whether Geno has a chance to develop into a serviceable NFL QB? Because the answer is nothing. uh, genot threw 3 picks on three friggin successive plays. the last time i saw such a sucky performance was back in 1974 when joe willie gilliam was starting for the steelers. and i have never stated that the td/int ratio has a lot of meaning. namath had about a 1:1 ratio. and namath also had a pretty high ypc. and someone brought up elllway. he too had a pretty high int rate but those are guys from a different era when ints were a little more tolerable and they were typically far down the field. genot throws them within 5 yds of the line. it's when the ints are thrown and what happens after they are thrown. and since genot is very rantable, lets not forget the picks he has thrown at the goal line or in the red zone. the really sad thing is i doubt if genot's ability to throw picks will be tested in training camp or pre-season. by game 3, assumes he starts, we will know how sucky he will be for the season. Wasn't that the game where reports came out later that the Jets told Geno to throw it to Harvin "no matter what"? It was Harvin's first game and it seemed the Jets were trying to force Harvin the ball. |
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Mar 29, 2015 19:54:38 GMT -5
You might want to look things up before going on a rant Mark Sanchez | Quarterback Career Stats Year Passing Rushing Fumb. Year Team G Comp Att % Yds Y/G Y/A 300+ TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD 100+ Lost 2010 NYJ 16 278 507 54.8 3291 205.7 6.5 2 17 13 30 105 6.6 3.5 3 0 1 2011 NYJ 16 308 543 56.7 3474 217.1 6.4 3 26 18 37 103 6.4 2.8 6 0 8 2014 PHI 9 198 309 64.1 2418 268.7 7.8 4 14 11 34 87 9.7 2.6 1 0 3 1. You might want to read more before jumping in late, I kind of explained it later, and I'm not ranting. Not close. 2. Who gives a shit what Sanchez did as an Eagle, we were discussing his Jets career. 3. His 5 year jets career, his regression, and he was tossed because his last season was 18 and 26. Add in 6 fumbles lost or so and that's why he's gone. Any argument that he shouldn't have been pushed aside would be lame. Or the biggest point, a 5 year career tells you what a player is. 23 starts for a QB doesn't really guarantee anything. Again, point really is that screaming for a QBs head after 23 starts isnt giving a QB latitude and enough games to prove what he will be Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. 2009 and 2010 he was a Jet. And going by those years your claim that he "always" had more picks, is wrong |
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Post by rangerous on Mar 30, 2015 5:50:36 GMT -5
uh, genot threw 3 picks on three friggin successive plays. the last time i saw such a sucky performance was back in 1974 when joe willie gilliam was starting for the steelers. and i have never stated that the td/int ratio has a lot of meaning. namath had about a 1:1 ratio. and namath also had a pretty high ypc. and someone brought up elllway. he too had a pretty high int rate but those are guys from a different era when ints were a little more tolerable and they were typically far down the field. genot throws them within 5 yds of the line. it's when the ints are thrown and what happens after they are thrown. and since genot is very rantable, lets not forget the picks he has thrown at the goal line or in the red zone. the really sad thing is i doubt if genot's ability to throw picks will be tested in training camp or pre-season. by game 3, assumes he starts, we will know how sucky he will be for the season. Wasn't that the game where reports came out later that the Jets told Geno to throw it to Harvin "no matter what"? It was Harvin's first game and it seemed the Jets were trying to force Harvin the ball. harvin may have been his primary. doesn't genot bear responsibility for the throws he makes? if he did make those throws because he was "ordered" then he's even worse than suspected because it means he can't read defenses. as we saw in the superbowl, even the very good qb's can make mistakes on their first reads. wilson should have seen butler jumping the play but he either didn't or didn't feel he had a better option. imo the replays do show wilson thinking a split second and that may have caused the throw to be a little late. but has anyone seen genot ever consider other options quickly? he doesn't. he goes after the first read/option and then has trouble getting to the second guy. and let's be careful about reports after the fact. rex is gone and so is morhinweg. want to blame them? fine. but ultimately it was genot's decision and he screwed up, thrice. i am confident bowles isn't going to be bowled over by genot and give him every chance to succeed. |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 30, 2015 8:23:52 GMT -5
bill parcells always said you need 3 years with a player to see what you got Yeah...so in year 4 , Tuna could quit. This guys gets it! |
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Post by Ff2 on Mar 30, 2015 8:26:01 GMT -5
Fitz is your starting QB this year.
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 30, 2015 8:47:51 GMT -5
Why wouldn't he be? Unless we trade for a franchise QB he is going to be the starter going in. Drafting a rookie wont change that either.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 30, 2015 9:17:38 GMT -5
So you're judging a QB and what he will develop onto off of 3 passes? Off of one game? I would rethink that logic. Elway was benched as a first year starter, threw 2 picks to each TD. 47TDs to 52 INTs after 3 seasons. Guess you would have written him off too. And ignore that Genos 25 TDs to 34 INTs aren't that much different, especially give he had absolutely no one to throw to year one. please keeping the genot kool aid. we'll see after 3 games if genot is worthy of the position. and as for elllway, that was a different era. i doubt if elllway's ints were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. face it, genot has made some pretty stupid decisions in his two seasons. he needed to have progressed after year one and he has gone backwards. Cool Aide? Can you read? I've said., more than once, my point, we haven't seen enough to guarantee what he is or isn't. I never said he was good or would be good. I said we don't know if he will even be serviceable. But you need to go over the top and say Im drinking Geno cool aide. Dumb. You need to Learn the basics of reading not just argue to hear yourself argue. You're atartibg to sound rally stupid. Now to make yourself sound smart you're going to attempt to rank the INTs that the two threw to make make your argument go on and on and on some more? End it, you're dancing around. |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 30, 2015 9:21:00 GMT -5
1. You might want to read more before jumping in late, I kind of explained it later, and I'm not ranting. Not close. 2. Who gives a shit what Sanchez did as an Eagle, we were discussing his Jets career. 3. His 5 year jets career, his regression, and he was tossed because his last season was 18 and 26. Add in 6 fumbles lost or so and that's why he's gone. Any argument that he shouldn't have been pushed aside would be lame. Or the biggest point, a 5 year career tells you what a player is. 23 starts for a QB doesn't really guarantee anything. Again, point really is that screaming for a QBs head after 23 starts isnt giving a QB latitude and enough games to prove what he will be Sanchez never had the same TD as INTs. Always had more picks. 2009 and 2010 he was a Jet. And going by those years your claim that he "always" had more picks, is wrong I said read on, i acknowledged this before you jumped in. Jet Nut Avatar
Mar 29, 2015 9:53:18 GMT -4 Jet Nut said:
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Mar 29, 2015 8:45:05 GMT -4 Lithfan said:
Actually, in his 2nd in 3rd seasons, Sanchez did throw more TDs than picks. In 2010, Sanchez had 17 TDs and 13 picks (probably his best season in green and white). In 2011, he had 26TD and 18 picks.
Although what Sanchez did as a Jet is irrelevant at this point. As far as I am concerned, the only thing that matters is who is the better QB in 2015 between Smith and Fitz (and anyone else that could still be added to the roster). Let them battle it out in camp and the best guy starts. Its probably best for the franchise long term if Geno wins the job and proves he can be a solid NFL QB. I am skeptical that he can be a good pro, but still hopeful that maybe he takes a step in year 3.
I know, you're right. Just having fun. Nothing's better than someone who is completely over the top with either love or hate of a QB.
but totally agree that Sanchez has nothing to do with this situation. |
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Post by Lithfan on Mar 30, 2015 12:10:21 GMT -5
I don't khow -- how sold can we be on Geno if we are interested in Matt Schaub:
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Post by DDNYjets on Mar 30, 2015 12:33:25 GMT -5
I don't khow -- how sold can we be on Geno if we are interested in Matt Schaub: We are not really sold at all. This is a formality. Somebody has to enter camp as the starter. Someone is getting those first-team reps on Day One. |
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Post by rangerous on Mar 30, 2015 16:51:52 GMT -5
please keeping the genot kool aid. we'll see after 3 games if genot is worthy of the position. and as for elllway, that was a different era. i doubt if elllway's ints were within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. face it, genot has made some pretty stupid decisions in his two seasons. he needed to have progressed after year one and he has gone backwards. Cool Aide? Can you read? I've said., more than once, my point, we haven't seen enough to guarantee what he is or isn't. I never said he was good or would be good. I said we don't know if he will even be serviceable. But you need to go over the top and say Im drinking Geno cool aide. Dumb. You need to Learn the basics of reading not just argue to hear yourself argue. You're atartibg to sound rally stupid. Now to make yourself sound smart you're going to attempt to rank the INTs that the two threw to make make your argument go on and on and on some more? End it, you're dancing around. the cool in Kool aid starts with a k not a c. not nitpicking but since you brought it up....and apparently you can't read. i never once equated genot's ability to throw interceptions with his prowess as a qb. what i said was, and please read this very slowly, is that he demonstrated through his 3 pick games, his poor field decisions and his turnovers that he is one sucky qb. and it's not the number of int's but where and when they are. genot had one of the worst games at qb i ever saw since joe willie gilliam 1974. you probably don't even know who that clown is/was. imo there is also reason to believe that genot dogged it last season knowing full well that rex and morhinweg were goners. what is "atartig"? rally? are you a relative of katherine hepburn? |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Mar 30, 2015 21:24:17 GMT -5
Cool Aide? Can you read? I've said., more than once, my point, we haven't seen enough to guarantee what he is or isn't. I never said he was good or would be good. I said we don't know if he will even be serviceable. But you need to go over the top and say Im drinking Geno cool aide. Dumb. You need to Learn the basics of reading not just argue to hear yourself argue. You're atartibg to sound rally stupid. Now to make yourself sound smart you're going to attempt to rank the INTs that the two threw to make make your argument go on and on and on some more? End it, you're dancing around. the cool in Kool aid starts with a k not a c. not nitpicking but since you brought it up....and apparently you can't read. i never once equated genot's ability to throw interceptions with his prowess as a qb. what i said was, and please read this very slowly, is that he demonstrated through his 3 pick games, his poor field decisions and his turnovers that he is one sucky qb. and it's not the number of int's but where and when they are. genot had one of the worst games at qb i ever saw since joe willie gilliam 1974. you probably don't even know who that clown is/was. imo there is also reason to believe that genot dogged it last season knowing full well that rex and morhinweg were goners. what is "atartig"? rally? are you a relative of katherine hepburn? Why don't you just shut the fuck up. You sound more and more like a fucking idiot the more you talk about Kool Aid, what he did or didn't do in his limited action. You're just not smart enough to realize QBs need time. Or that one bad game doesn't make a career. Did you call for Namaths head when he threw 6 INTs vs the Colts? Of course if you could read, or more to the point comprehend, that I posted more than once that I'm not saying Geno will even become servicable. To you that translates into drinking Kool Aid, great. So move on, I'm done with your brand of stupidity. |
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Post by nyjets1969 on Mar 30, 2015 21:44:54 GMT -5
development time for a QB is 4- 5 years Geno is year 3. I kind have expected this. The Jets are not taking Mariotta might take a QB in rd 3-4 as a developmental QB and give Geno one more years with Fitz on stand by if Geno falters.
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Post by rexneffect on Mar 30, 2015 22:06:23 GMT -5
This thread needs more kool aid.  |
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Post by rangerous on Mar 31, 2015 16:06:42 GMT -5
the cool in Kool aid starts with a k not a c. not nitpicking but since you brought it up....and apparently you can't read. i never once equated genot's ability to throw interceptions with his prowess as a qb. what i said was, and please read this very slowly, is that he demonstrated through his 3 pick games, his poor field decisions and his turnovers that he is one sucky qb. and it's not the number of int's but where and when they are. genot had one of the worst games at qb i ever saw since joe willie gilliam 1974. you probably don't even know who that clown is/was. imo there is also reason to believe that genot dogged it last season knowing full well that rex and morhinweg were goners. what is "atartig"? rally? are you a relative of katherine hepburn? Why don't you just shut the fuck up. You sound more and more like a fucking idiot the more you talk about Kool Aid, what he did or didn't do in his limited action. You're just not smart enough to realize QBs need time. Or that one bad game doesn't make a career. Did you call for Namaths head when he threw 6 INTs vs the Colts? Of course if you could read, or more to the point comprehend, that I posted more than once that I'm not saying Geno will even become servicable. To you that translates into drinking Kool Aid, great. So move on, I'm done with your brand of stupidity. oh so your such a big man. you just can't take any criticism. you know you started this. and name calling to boot. did you even bother to see who joe gilliam was? go watch the patsies. they will appreciate you. |
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