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Post by Touchable on Apr 1, 2015 14:56:57 GMT -5
Mariota, Cooper and White would be my Top 3. And I think it's going to end up being one of those 3. With the way our defense is currently constructed and with the amount of dime defense that Bowles likes to employ, I really don't see the value of an OLB at #6. Would rather take a potential franchise QB like Mariota or a potentially elite WR like Cooper/White and then grab a passrusher in the 2nd or 3rd round. I also think this is exactly why the Jets picked up the options on Pace and Babin. They didn't like the FA pool at OLB and something tells me that they aren't very high on the Shane Ray's and Vic Beasley's at #6. If we assume that Winston is gone then I'd take your top 3 and add Dante Fowler and Vic Beasley to create my Top 6, and being guaranteed one of those players does make me very comfortable. I have guys like White, Cooper, Fowler and Beasley all in the same vicinity. We could split hairs and say one guy has 6.7 grade and the other a 6.6 but my opinion is that these are all guys worthy of Top 10 picks. When I look at it that way I then use need and our overall current position quality as a tie-breaker. Doing that, I lean towards OLB as where I'd go. It just seems like forever since we've used a high draft pick to put a young, talented OLB on the field. With the exception of David Harris and Demario I just feel like we've neglected that level of the defense for a while. I don't want to count on Pace, Babin, or a converted Coples as our answers at OLB. It's close because I'd love to see White or Cooper as the heir apparent to Brandon Marshall but the fact is that we have two quality starting WRs right now and I see us having two "hold the fort" guys at OLB. It would be tough to see names like Dante Fowler, Shane Ray and Vic Beasley at the top of this draft within striking distance for the Jets and have us not get any of them. I'd have no complaints if we took a passrusher like Ray or Beasley (I doubt Fowler falls to us). But given the choice, I'd rather take Cooper/White if both QB's are gone. Like I said, I wouldn't want to rely on Marshall past maybe 2016. And if we're going to roll with someone like Geno or Fitz behind center, then we might as well surround them with as many weapons as possible. This defense is already pretty damn stacked. One of the best DL's in the league and now one of the best secondaries in the league. With Wilkerson, Richardson, Snacks, and Coples up front and Revis, Cro, Skrine, Gilchrist and Pryor holding down the backend...I think you could easily find an effective passrusher in the 2nd or 3rd round. Hell, would it surprise anyone if some old fuck like Pace or Babin puts up 10 sacks this year in this defense?
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Post by Paradis on Apr 1, 2015 15:42:53 GMT -5
Boom
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Post by ruby2 on Apr 1, 2015 16:21:09 GMT -5
Im a little worried about White being a one year wonder and these comments today come off pretty bad to me...
West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table." "Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8 receiver.
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Post by chrebet80 on Apr 2, 2015 14:18:22 GMT -5
Im a little worried about White being a one year wonder and these comments today come off pretty bad to me... West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table." "Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8 receiver. I watched a lot of WVU games. The kid can ball. Not worried about the 1 year. All season he would get double or triple covered and he would just jump up and snag the ball at its highest point. he is lightning fast, good hands, tall and strong. I think he's the best receiver in the draft and I don't think it's that close. To me it all comes down to what type of wideout you want. Would you prefer the julio jones aj green DeMarius Thomas type wr or do you want the Anquan boldin, Reggie wayne type wr.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 2, 2015 17:12:48 GMT -5
Im a little worried about White being a one year wonder and these comments today come off pretty bad to me... West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table." "Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8 receiver. I watched a lot of WVU games. The kid can ball. Not worried about the 1 year. All season he would get double or triple covered and he would just jump up and snag the ball at its highest point. he is lightning fast, good hands, tall and strong. I think he's the best receiver in the draft and I don't think it's that close. To me it all comes down to what type of wideout you want. Would you prefer the julio jones aj green DeMarius Thomas type wr or do you want the Anquan boldin, Reggie wayne type wr. Thing about White tho, is that he's not as good as Cooper or Parker. The latter is 2x the receiver when it comes to contested catches and running through coverage, and Cooper can run circles around white on a route tree. Kevin's measurables are we talking about. I have him at #5 He's an expensive jump ball artist if you ask me.
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Post by Paradis on Apr 2, 2015 17:14:44 GMT -5
Id confidently put money on him not being the best WR in this class.
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Post by chrebet80 on Apr 2, 2015 20:47:46 GMT -5
I can't disagree that cooper is a way better route runner than white. But i think your selling kevin white short saying hes just a jump ball artist.
Kevin White definitly has some things to clean up in his game, like his route running, and getting off the line quicker, But that can be taught. You can't teach 6'3 4.35. I just personally feel like white has way more upside than cooper.
I think We both know what we would be getting with cooper. An extremely reliable wr Who has good hands and runs great routes. Cooper to me is the safer pick. that doesn't mean he will be a better player though.
Kevin white was really wvu's only weapon. Don't forget that he was leading the nation in yards before clint trinkett got injured. and that was while being double and triple covered all game. To me he looked like a man playing with boys at the college level.
at the end of the day I would not be upset with either WR. To me there 1 a and 1b. I'm curious to hear who your top 5 wrs in the draft are as you say kevin white is your 5th rated wr.
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Post by RobR on Apr 2, 2015 21:01:51 GMT -5
Parker is better than either Cooper or White. I'm finally starting too see some chatter that he might be the first WR selected. I've been all aboard the Parker train for months.
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Post by RobR on Apr 2, 2015 21:08:06 GMT -5
An extremely reliable wr Who has good hands and runs great routes. He might run great routes and I have no argument that he has quick twitch movements but his hands are not nearly as good as most proclaim. That is just something that is regurgitated through the media and people make posts proclaiming it. He has issues with drops.
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Post by RobR on Apr 2, 2015 21:12:45 GMT -5
None of those receivers are "megatron" like - WR is not an immediate need for this team. Get a LB who can rush and cover. There's plenty of good WRs that will be available in round 2. I think Parker is and if we sit on our hands waiting for the next great WR too drop to the 2nd round we will miss out. We need to grab one of these studs in the first round......we've already allocated enough resources to the defense over the years. It's been long overdue to draft a playmaker and one will be available.
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