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Post by Touchable on Apr 3, 2015 13:57:30 GMT -5
Forget about a sure thing; with the additions we have made on defense and offense - even with the upgrades in the AFCE, we are likely a 6 to 8 win team; this means no top ten for us next year. I am not saying we should trade up, but if he is sitting there at 6 and we are 50/50 and we don't receive a block buster trade option, IMO you have to roll the dice that he can be a franchise QB. Or, you have to suck for another 2 or 3 years to get another chance. Pretty much We're hardly ever in position to take one of the top QB's in the draft. Even when we suck, we don't suck enough. We usually wind up around 6-10 and pick just outside the Top 10 or at the tail end of it. Now we might finally have the chance come the end of this month. Sure, Mariota isn't a sure thing. But neither are guys like Beasley, Ray, White, Parker, etc. So like I said, if I'm going to gamble...then I'm going to gamble on the QB. I wouldn't move up for Mariota, but if he's there at #6...have some balls and pull the trigger unless someone like Cleveland or Philly totally blows your tits off with a trade proposal.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Apr 3, 2015 14:09:34 GMT -5
It's funny, someone reads that Mariota is hard to read because he came from a prolific system and they translate it into he's nothing more than a system QB and imagine that he will bust. Because as we all know if you come from a college system that is exactly what he NFL is, you therefore will never be able to learn the NFL game. Doesn't make any sense. About the worst things said are that he may n Ed additional time to develop. And he is far from a weak armed QB. This then translates into Petty is a better pick. A guy universally thought of a a back up QB who may need even more time to develop. What's really ridiculous is the lot of people who don't want Mariota because he's not a "sure thing". QB prospects like Elway and Luck come around once every 20-30 years and you don't have a shot in hell at drafting them unless you possess the #1 overall pick during that given year. Back in 2012, a team could've offered the Colts their next 10 1st round picks and Irsay and Grigson would've laughed at them and told them to go fuck themselves before hanging up the phone. By all accounts, Mariota has the work ethic and mental makeup to transition to a pro style offense. I've even heard multiple people compare his work ethic and love of football to that of Peyton Mr. Forehead. 6'4 225, good arm, lightning quick release, sterling reputation and character, smart, doesn't turn the ball over and runs like a gazelle in the open field. And we're going to pass on that when we have one of the worst QB situations in the league? With what we accomplished in FA, this team is a quality QB away from being a serious contender. The bottom line is that if Mariota pans out and develops into a legitimate franchise QB for the next decade, then he's going to help us a helluva lot more than a 10 sack a year passrusher. The draft is a crapshoot, regardless of the position. So if I'm rolling the dice, let me bet on the QB. Exactly, no QB, not even Elway, Marino or Luck were sure things. I love that because they didn't play. Pro style offense, that they put up huge numbers in college they'll bust. First of all, stop predictions of busting. Doesn't make anyone Nostradamus, 99% of these guys bust. You look at Mariota, he's got the size, arm, smarts and leadership qualities to play the position. Chances are he'll struggle and fail. But that can be said with everyone. People thought Flacco, Sparklepony, Rodgers, Wilson would all fail. It's a crap shoot but if you don't try....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 14:22:08 GMT -5
Or maybe he just acknowledges all three suck. Don't really know the deal with The Beard's "injury". Also I guess that explains going after Matt Schaub and not signing him. That's kind of putting the cards on the table, isn't it? 1) it's a smokescreen 2) Who knows what we truly have; Rex and his OC's made things progressively crappier. I wouldn't read too much into it; eagerness of new HC bs...
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 3, 2015 14:23:31 GMT -5
Or maybe he just acknowledges all three suck. Don't really know the deal with The Beard's "injury". Also I guess that explains going after Matt Schaub and not signing him. That's kind of putting the cards on the table, isn't it? 1) it's a smokescreen 2) Who knows what we truly have; Rex and his OC's made things progressively crappier. I wouldn't read too much into it; eagerness of new HC bs... So what's the smokescreen? To make people think we want a QB in the draft but we really don't, so they trade with us?
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Post by rangerous on Apr 3, 2015 15:27:27 GMT -5
I don't think they NEED to come away with a QB this year. Depending on how this draft falls, their picks may not align with some of these QB values. I would rather they not select a QB this year than reaching for and over drafting one of these second and third tier QBs. Exactly Either take Mariota if he's there at #6 or just say fuck taking a QB all together. Don't see the point in wasting a 2nd or 3rd round pick on Petty, Hundley or Grayson when odds are that they'll never even be quality starters, much less franchise material. agree with taking mariota if they want him at 6. i'm not sayin they need to pick a qb with the 2nd or 4rd or 4th round either. imo they do need to pick a qb at some point in the draft and just about every draft in the foreseeable future until they find one. of course genot could surprise and then they're set for 10 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 15:44:26 GMT -5
1) it's a smokescreen 2) Who knows what we truly have; Rex and his OC's made things progressively crappier. I wouldn't read too much into it; eagerness of new HC bs... So what's the smokescreen? To make people think we want a QB in the draft but we really don't, so they trade with us? I think UT has it right; no way Mac F's with projects at QB. It's either that 6 pick, or nothing. Before that is an obvious fact, to all relevant parties, Mac is positioning, as well as trolling. "You Got a QB? We are paying CASH CASH CASH for your slightly used QB! WE can COME TO YOU!..." Again, though... just what do we have in the stable? That offense is rickety.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 3, 2015 15:52:30 GMT -5
In my opinion, drafting Mariota is not a pick for 2015. He needs at least a year to work on his flaws. So if you think he's going to be an upgrade over Geno or Fitzpatrick for 2015 you'll be sadly mistaken. I'm not in love with him but I'm not opposed to taking him either. I just don't expect anything from him in 2015 and trading for Fitzpatrick all but guarantees any Qb drafted will have a redshirt year in 2015.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 3, 2015 15:57:11 GMT -5
So what's the smokescreen? To make people think we want a QB in the draft but we really don't, so they trade with us? I think UT has it right; no way Mac F's with projects at QB. It's either that 6 pick, or nothing. Before that is an obvious fact, to all relevant parties, Mac is positioning, as well as trolling. "You Got a QB? We are paying CASH CASH CASH for your slightly used QB! WE can COME TO YOU!..." Again, though... just what do we have in the stable? That offense is rickety. Gailey's offense is very similar to what Geno ran in college so the hope is that he flourishes. And Fitzpatrick has proven he can at least be average in this offense. Either way I think we'll get better qb play than we've had over the past 6 years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 17:09:18 GMT -5
no offense <HEY OHHH!> but
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Post by kentuckyjet on Apr 3, 2015 17:27:05 GMT -5
I think it says that MM and Bowles are worried about SIMMS at #3. I can see us bringing in a vet cut during camp to compete with Simms. He has been here 3 years and we still do not know what he is capable of.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 17:30:42 GMT -5
Worried about the 3? lol - They want to get picks for that flamethrower.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 7:18:00 GMT -5
Mariota has no touch on his short yardage throws. He routinely misfires on short yardage plays which are the bread and butter of successful QBs like Brady and Manning. Short yardage accuracy and decisive reads are the most important elements of successfully extending 3rd downs. I don't think this is coachable and because of that I consider him a late 1st round pick.
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Post by yankeejet22 on Apr 4, 2015 8:38:37 GMT -5
It's funny, someone reads that Mariota is hard to read because he came from a prolific system and they translate it into he's nothing more than a system QB and imagine that he will bust. Because as we all know if you come from a college system that is exactly what he NFL is, you therefore will never be able to learn the NFL game. Doesn't make any sense. About the worst things said are that he may n Ed additional time to develop. And he is far from a weak armed QB. This then translates into Petty is a better pick. A guy universally thought of a a back up QB who may need even more time to develop. What's really ridiculous is the lot of people who don't want Mariota because he's not a "sure thing". QB prospects like Elway and Luck come around once every 20-30 years and you don't have a shot in hell at drafting them unless you possess the #1 overall pick during that given year. Back in 2012, a team could've offered the Colts their next 10 1st round picks and Irsay and Grigson would've laughed at them and told them to go fuck themselves before hanging up the phone. By all accounts, Mariota has the work ethic and mental makeup to transition to a pro style offense. I've even heard multiple people compare his work ethic and love of football to that of Peyton Mr. Forehead. 6'4 225, good arm, lightning quick release, sterling reputation and character, smart, doesn't turn the ball over and runs like a gazelle in the open field. And we're going to pass on that when we have one of the worst QB situations in the league? With what we accomplished in FA, this team is a quality QB away from being a serious contender. The bottom line is that if Mariota pans out and develops into a legitimate franchise QB for the next decade, then he's going to help us a helluva lot more than a 10 sack a year passrusher. The draft is a crapshoot, regardless of the position. So if I'm rolling the dice, let me bet on the QB. This, This, and double This. I get that there are possibly good pass rushers, and I would love to have one. But not at the expense of the chance to draft a potential franchise QB.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 4, 2015 8:44:04 GMT -5
Mariota has no touch on his short yardage throws. He routinely misfires on short yardage plays which are the bread and butter of successful QBs like Sparklepony and Mr. Forehead. Short yardage accuracy and decisive reads are the most important elements of successfully extending 3rd downs. I don't think this is coachable and because of that I consider him a late 1st round pick. Huh? He has great touch on short yardage throws. It's his deep ball that needs work. His accuracy fluctuates, and that's something that he needs to work on, but I see enough positives to consider him a legit franchise QB prospect. Absolutely worthy of the 6th pick in the draft.
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Post by ftljetfan on Apr 7, 2015 7:42:12 GMT -5
If he is there at 6 you have to take him. I highly doubt he will be there. I am hoping we get Cooper but im sure we will end up with a pass rusher.
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