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Post by JETSALLDAY96 on Apr 8, 2015 22:17:27 GMT -5
His last month of both seasons show anything but a low ceiling. Yes he's had bad stretches but let's not act like he's worked with the greatest supporting cast either. What are Hill & Holmes doing these days anyway? Keep putting talent around him and then make judgement. Outside of the dazzling MNF performance @ ATL all of his success came when the season was over and there was no more pressure. Not to mention what happened in the whale's vagina. Anybody that has given up on Geno is well within their rights. And before you accuse me of being a Geno hater, you should ask around. Not going to say you're a Geno hater but he's a starting QB in the NFL the pressure is never off every thing he does will draw praise and criticism esp in New York.
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 8, 2015 23:37:10 GMT -5
It would be the best case scenario if we had a better QB on the roster who could play above Geno's low ceiling. His last month of both seasons show anything but a low ceiling. Yes he's had bad stretches but let's not act like he's worked with the greatest supporting cast either. What are Hill & Holmes doing these days anyway? Keep putting talent around him and then make judgement. Your argument that he needs better talent doesn't work. Geno looked good at the end of his first year and then he got Decker and Harvin and looked worse until the end of the season. If talent was the problem then he should have improved along with the receiving corp. He didn't. You also can't attribute things like running backwards to avoid sacks, fumbling the ball behind his back or not being able to read a clock to the quality of the receiving corp. He hasn't had bad stretches. He's been just awful until the team is out of the hunt. Who cares how well he plays when it doesn't matter. If we aren't playoff bound in December then it doesn't matter if we are winning those games 1000-0. You want to say he has a high ceiling over his considerably better play at the end of the season as though the coaches just need to get him to play that way the rest of the season. I say he has a low ceiling because he can't play that way when he has to.
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Post by McGinley on Apr 8, 2015 23:57:16 GMT -5
And he'll hopefully be working with Ronald McDonald this next offseason. So you hope Geno plays bad? Wouldn't it be best case scenario for Geno to play well? With a spread based passing offense don't be so shocked if he does play well Chan has done impressive work with lesser talent. Nice straw man, but that's not at all what I said. I hope he's off the team because I believe (based on historical evidence) he'll play badly, not because I hope he'll play badly. You're completely changing the argument, lol. I'm not anti-Geno, I'm simply pro-Jets, and I don't believe Geno will help the team in the long run. I could be wrong, and I'd welcome that being the case. However, based on what we've seen from Geno before, I have no reason to have faith that he'll deliver the goods.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Apr 9, 2015 0:35:49 GMT -5
His last month of both seasons show anything but a low ceiling. Yes he's had bad stretches but let's not act like he's worked with the greatest supporting cast either. What are Hill & Holmes doing these days anyway? Keep putting talent around him and then make judgement. Outside of the dazzling MNF performance @ ATL all of his success came when the season was over and there was no more pressure. Not to mention what happened in the whale's vagina. Anybody that has given up on Geno is well within their rights. And before you accuse me of being a Geno hater, you should ask around. That would be wrong.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 9, 2015 1:28:49 GMT -5
You always make long term assessments about a QB after their 2nd year of NFL experience. I guess in that same vain Sanchez is still a franchise QB and is going to develop into a top 5-10 QB. After his second year he was coming off two straight AFC Championship game appearances where he performed well both years in the playoffs. We were all slurping the shit out of him. Where is he now? It's dangerous to make judgements so soon with a young QB either way. RG3 was the next big thing after his rookie year, so was Vince Young. Where are they now? Exactly
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Post by McGinley on Apr 9, 2015 1:41:36 GMT -5
You always make long term assessments about a QB after their 2nd year of NFL experience. I guess in that same vain Sanchez is still a franchise QB and is going to develop into a top 5-10 QB. After his second year he was coming off two straight AFC Championship game appearances where he performed well both years in the playoffs. We were all slurping the shit out of him. Where is he now? It's dangerous to make judgements so soon with a young QB either way. RG3 was the next big thing after his rookie year, so was Vince Young. Where are they now? Exactly Sanchez sucked from the beginning, lol. He just had a really strong team with a big back to ride on. RG3? Yeah, he's not very good. But, most of his success that year was based of him being able to run the ball. After his leg damn near fell off after tearing an already injured ACL, you're telling me you didn't have the foresight to see that he might not be as good as he was the year before? Haha, ok then. Geno is a mediocre QB, and I guarantee you'll see the same ol' Geno this year. If he isn't the same QB? If he's actually good? Fantastic, happy to hear it. I'm pro-Jets - NOT pro-any given player, something you don't seem to understand.
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Post by yankeejet22 on Apr 9, 2015 6:49:18 GMT -5
So you hope Geno plays bad? Wouldn't it be best case scenario for Geno to play well? With a spread based passing offense don't be so shocked if he does play well Chan has done impressive work with lesser talent. Nice straw man, but that's not at all what I said. I hope he's off the team because I believe (based on historical evidence) he'll play badly, not because I hope he'll play badly. You're completely changing the argument, lol. I'm not anti-Geno, I'm simply pro-Jets, and I don't believe Geno will help the team in the long run. I could be wrong, and I'd welcome that being the case. However, based on what we've seen from Geno before, I have no reason to have faith that he'll deliver the goods. No you said "hopefully". If in fact you "believe" that he'll be working at McDonald's, then change your statement.
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Post by JETSALLDAY96 on Apr 9, 2015 15:03:57 GMT -5
His last month of both seasons show anything but a low ceiling. Yes he's had bad stretches but let's not act like he's worked with the greatest supporting cast either. What are Hill & Holmes doing these days anyway? Keep putting talent around him and then make judgement. Your argument that he needs better talent doesn't work. Geno looked good at the end of his first year and then he got Decker and Harvin and looked worse until the end of the season. If talent was the problem then he should have improved along with the receiving corp. He didn't. You also can't attribute things like running backwards to avoid sacks, fumbling the ball behind his back or not being able to read a clock to the quality of the receiving corp. He hasn't had bad stretches. He's been just awful until the team is out of the hunt. Who cares how well he plays when it doesn't matter. If we aren't playoff bound in December then it doesn't matter if we are winning those games 1000-0. You want to say he has a high ceiling over his considerably better play at the end of the season as though the coaches just need to get him to play that way the rest of the season. I say he has a low ceiling because he can't play that way when he has to. Percy was a decent addition. What was adding one chair to the titanic? It still doesn't change the fact the defense couldn't create turnovers and give the offense more opportunities and Percy Harvin is no where Brandon Marshall's level i'm sorry i'm basing it on talent and system. There's a reason Rex did not rehire MM in Buffalo or anyone hire him to be their oc for that matter.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Apr 9, 2015 15:07:03 GMT -5
His last month of both seasons show anything but a low ceiling. Yes he's had bad stretches but let's not act like he's worked with the greatest supporting cast either. What are Hill & Holmes doing these days anyway? Keep putting talent around him and then make judgement. Outside of the dazzling MNF performance @ ATL all of his success came when the season was over and there was no more pressure. Not to mention what happened in the whale's vagina. Anybody that has given up on Geno is well within their rights. And before you accuse me of being a Geno hater, you should ask around. Which is attributed to Atlanta's lack of any semblance of defense. Sure, he can play when there's no pressure. His worst games are all against teams that have solid defenses. He just doesn't think fast enough to outsmart them. I doubt that's something that can be worked on. Unless maybe he works with Dr. House
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Post by carlito1171 on Apr 9, 2015 15:09:52 GMT -5
I have zero expectations for Geno going into this season.....unlike a year ago this time...
If he can step up and be steady at QB great! If not, oh well time to look to the future.
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 9, 2015 16:57:08 GMT -5
Your argument that he needs better talent doesn't work. Geno looked good at the end of his first year and then he got Decker and Harvin and looked worse until the end of the season. If talent was the problem then he should have improved along with the receiving corp. He didn't. You also can't attribute things like running backwards to avoid sacks, fumbling the ball behind his back or not being able to read a clock to the quality of the receiving corp. He hasn't had bad stretches. He's been just awful until the team is out of the hunt. Who cares how well he plays when it doesn't matter. If we aren't playoff bound in December then it doesn't matter if we are winning those games 1000-0. You want to say he has a high ceiling over his considerably better play at the end of the season as though the coaches just need to get him to play that way the rest of the season. I say he has a low ceiling because he can't play that way when he has to. Percy was a decent addition. What was adding one chair to the titanic? It still doesn't change the fact the defense couldn't create turnovers and give the offense more opportunities and Percy Harvin is no where Brandon Marshall's level i'm sorry i'm basing it on talent and system. There's a reason Rex did not rehire MM in Buffalo or anyone hire him to be their oc for that matter. I love the shifting argument. First it was that Geno needed talent and now it's really the defense's fault for not creating turnovers. How is it the defense's fault that Geno threw with terrible accuracy, ran backwards to avoid sacks, couldn't read a clock, etc.?
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Post by JETSALLDAY96 on Apr 9, 2015 19:33:38 GMT -5
Percy was a decent addition. What was adding one chair to the titanic? It still doesn't change the fact the defense couldn't create turnovers and give the offense more opportunities and Percy Harvin is no where Brandon Marshall's level i'm sorry i'm basing it on talent and system. There's a reason Rex did not rehire MM in Buffalo or anyone hire him to be their oc for that matter. I love the shifting argument. First it was that Geno needed talent and now it's really the defense's fault for not creating turnovers. How is it the defense's fault that Geno threw with terrible accuracy, ran backwards to avoid sacks, couldn't read a clock, etc.? No shifting argument if you have a young qb with little talent around him the only shot you have with defense and special teams that should be obvious. But back to some of my other points which you have yet to give any answer on. What were realistic expectations for Harvin coming in last year after a 1-6 record? Harvin is not a franchise changing player he's a decent receiver but better with the ball in his hands. Brandon Marshall is a clear cut undisputed #1 receiver. I said i'm basing it on overall talent and system why was nobody calling MM up for oc job if he did such a great job? Rex pretty much brought the entire 4-12 2014 staff with him to Buffalo and he didn't have any interest in bringing MM with him how come?
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Post by McGinley on Apr 9, 2015 19:37:10 GMT -5
Nice straw man, but that's not at all what I said. I hope he's off the team because I believe (based on historical evidence) he'll play badly, not because I hope he'll play badly. You're completely changing the argument, lol. I'm not anti-Geno, I'm simply pro-Jets, and I don't believe Geno will help the team in the long run. I could be wrong, and I'd welcome that being the case. However, based on what we've seen from Geno before, I have no reason to have faith that he'll deliver the goods. No you said "hopefully". If in fact you "believe" that he'll be working at McDonald's, then change your statement. No, I'm hopeful that he'll be off the team next year because I believe he'll play badly. What part of that are you struggling with? I'm hopeful for X because I presume Y. That's not the same as hoping for Y. I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult.
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 11, 2015 13:40:09 GMT -5
No you said "hopefully". If in fact you "believe" that he'll be working at McDonald's, then change your statement. No, I'm hopeful that he'll be off the team next year because I believe he'll play badly. What part of that are you struggling with? I'm hopeful for X because I presume Y. That's not the same as hoping for Y. I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult. What I am hoping for is that he continues the incremental progress he made from Year 1 to Year 2, and that the combination of new coaching, better weapons, and another year of experience take his TD / INT ratios from 12 / 21 in 2013, 13 / 13 in 2014 to something like 19 / 10 in 2015. But I would presume neither that he'll play poorly or that he'll continue to make progress. I'll just wait and watch.
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Post by McGinley on Apr 11, 2015 22:02:53 GMT -5
No, I'm hopeful that he'll be off the team next year because I believe he'll play badly. What part of that are you struggling with? I'm hopeful for X because I presume Y. That's not the same as hoping for Y. I can't believe I have to explain this to an adult. What I am hoping for is that he continues the incremental progress he made from Year 1 to Year 2, and that the combination of new coaching, better weapons, and another year of experience take his TD / INT ratios from 12 / 21 in 2013, 13 / 13 in 2014 to something like 19 / 10 in 2015. But I would presume neither that he'll play poorly or that he'll continue to make progress. I'll just wait and watch. Incremental progress is nice and all, but I want more than "I used to suck, now I just blow". Based on what we've seen, I see no reason to believe a 30-year old receiver is going to fix Geno's awful accuracy, horrible deep ball, lack of pocket presence, or decision-making. So, I go into the season with a justified presumption. Should he prove me wrong, then that's awesome.
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