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Post by Paradis on Apr 12, 2015 11:30:29 GMT -5
**note, my rankings aren't the "best" 5 at each position, but more the top 5 for talent/value for the Jets.
Offense
WR
1 - D. Parker; legit #1 with Bryant like ability to catch the ball and physically dominate the secondary
2 - J. Hardy; feel like he's going to be instantly productive, and able to make gains all over the field ala A.Brown ...Immense value in the 2nd round.
3 - A. Cooper; I'm hard on him because I don't see the elite ceiling, but he represents a perenial #1 with little risk.
4 - DGB; without the red flags he's easily number one, but you have to account that with all the Rice, Gordon hooplah. A trade back in the mid first (or god willing, the 2nd round) would make him a prime candidate
5 - T. McBride; Everything I've seen from him says he'll be playmaker in the NFL... in the 3rd of 4th? Take him and don't look back.
Near misses; K. White... i think there's more risk than people want to believe, but the ceiling is there. And N. Agholor was #5 as a rnd2 target but word is he'll be getting looks in mid rnd 1 now
RB
1 - M. Gordon; he's got such elite burst, and coupled with his vision... all pro at the NFL level.
2 - T. Gurley; all world talent, but you gotta at least recognize the injury risk.
3 - D. Cobb; This year's Jeremy Hill could be available in the 4th.
4 - Da Johnson; If the moons align, he'll be in the 3rd and take over our backfield in 2016.
5 - Du. Johnson; maybe he can J. Best if the latter didn't concuss himself out of a career.
QBs.. I guess?
1 - Winston; for obvious reasons
2 - G. Grayson; has the upside of anyone else, just needs tutelage. Be hard to pass on him in Round 3.
3 - M. Mariota; for the right team (system, or a veteran to learn behind) he may blossum into a franchise QB
4 - B. Bridge; Cam Newton upside if he gets the right development
5 - B. Hundley; needs time, and if he gets it, should get a fair crack at leading a team.
TEs
1 - W. Saxton; has all the tools to be "the guy" at Tight End. As a round 3-4 TE he's a steal.
2 - M. Pruitt; Much like Saxton, he's got all makings of a playmaker, and will probably come even cheaper.
3 - N. Boyle; doesn't get much better than a complete inline TE like Boyle in the later rounds
4 - B. Bell; a convert who at 6'6 260 is worth a tickle if we acquire a 5th via trade.
5 -P. Brown; another big dude (6'6 250) who would be available in the 4th. Very productive at ORE before his knee injury.
Oline
1 - C. Erving; Love Cam as someone who can step and play guard now, right tackle if need be, and eventually replace Mangold at center.
2 - DJ Humphries; worth looking at the top of the 2nd. Could be groomed as D'Brick successor.
3 - L. Collins; Love him in a trade back scenario. super versatile lineman who plug and play across the line.
4 - D. Smith; As a 3rd round tackle I think there's lots of value as possible future RT.
5 - T. Jackson; great value in the 3rd as a future Guard to snowman tackles for our running game.
Defense
Dline
1 - E. Harold (DE/OLB); as a potential target in round 2, he comes with almost all the bells and whistles of the round 1 guys and at half the price. If we go O in round 1, this guy would be an ideal selection.
2 - S. Ray (DE); the only elite front seven guy in my eyes worth looking at #6. If we use a lot 40 fronts, Ray is the most disruptive attacker in the draft.
3 - D. Fowler (DE/OLB); a complete prospect who will likely have a long career playing where you need him.
4 - Z. Smith (DE/OLB); as a round 3 guy, Smith has a lot of the upside of his counter part Dupree, but will need some development to find out where his ceiling is.
5 - T. Williams (NT); Plays like a damn horse and should be on our radar if he's there in rnd 7.
ILB (cause we need some)
1 - P. Dawson; ya i'm a sucker for production. If he's still there in round 3, you gotta think about it. Burfict didn't exactly have a great draft off season, but has since proven to be a difference maker.
2 - S. Anthony; again, in round 3 - value
3 - T. Jones; i'd grab him in round 4 in a heartbeat. Violent thumper.
4 - T. Plummer; perfect candidate for rnd 7 seleciton
5 - D. Perryman; If we traded back in round 2, or acquired an extra pick in the middle, then i wouldn't complain if we took him. Problem is, he won't start over Harris or Davis (i'd speculate).
Secondary (all late round guys since we have no immediate need)
1 - B. McClain (CB)...rnd 5-7
2 - C. Mager (CB)... rnd 5-7
3 - J. Shaw (S)... see a lot of upside if we develop him as a future FS
4 - T. Smith (CB)... rnd 5-7
5 - T. Walker (CB)... Don't know where we'd get him as he's a big sleeper candidate, but his measurables are inspiring.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 12, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5
For the Jets?
WR
1. Amari Cooper
2. DeVante Parker
3. Kevin White
4. Jaelen Strong
5. Phillip Dorsett
RB
1. Todd Gurley
2. Melvin Gordon
3. Tevin Coleman
4. Duke Johnson
5. Ameer Abdullah
QB
1. Marcus Mariota
2. Jameis Winston
3. Garrett Grayson
4. Brett Hundley
5. Bryce Petty
OL
1. Brandon Scherff
2. Ereck Flowers
3. La'el Collins
4. Andrus Peat
5. Jake Fisher
TE
1. Jeff Heuerman
2. Ben Koyack
3. Tyler Kroft
4. Jesse James
5. Nick Boyle/Nick O'Leary
OLB
1. Dante Fowler
2. Vic Beasley
3. Bud Dupree
4. Eli Harold
5. Shane Ray (I seriously question if he can play OLB)
ILB
1. Denzell Perryman
2. Eric Kendricks
3. Benardrick McKinney
4. Stephone Anthony
5. Paul Dawson
Secondary
1. Marcus Peters
2. Byron Jones
3. Cody Prewitt
4. Josh Shaw
5. Anthony Harris
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Post by Paradis on Apr 12, 2015 13:36:12 GMT -5
I don't know if i agree with this if you're following my "concept" for ranking. Perryman is the number ILB for the Jets? so you're saying we definitely should spend our 1st or 2nd round pick on him?
same with Peters? I pretty sure people would have issues with the Jets brass if we took Peters at the top of 2 over Harold, or Strong, etc.
Get what I mean?
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 12, 2015 16:43:48 GMT -5
QB
1) Jameis Winston - It's not going to happen, but it would be nice.
2) Brett Hundley - He should be available at the top of round 3. He has all the tools to be a great QB, but needs to sit his fist year. There would be no pressure to start him an he could take his time to develop.
3) Marcus Mariota - I don't want him at 6, but if we trade back and he's still there I wouldn't hate it.
4) Garrett Grayson - Solid value and upside if he's still there in the 3rd round.
5) Bryce Petty - Another QB who should be available in the 3rd and possibly even the 4th round. He throws a nice ball and would be decent competition for Geno and Fitz.
RB
1) Melvin Gordon - Everything you want in a back. He doesn't have elite speed, but has enough to take it the distance every time he touches it.
2) Todd Gurley - All pro if healthy. If he's there in the 2nd round I'd sprint to the podium.
3) Duke Johnson - He's the perfect complement to Chris Ivory and can carry the load if needed
4) Buck Allen - Very underrated and should be available in the 4th.
5a) Josh Robinson - Another underrated back that will be available in the later rounds. He's like a bowling ball covered in Vaseline. Very hard to bring down.
5b) - Corey Grant - I would love to take a flier on him in the 7th. He has elite speed.
WR
1) DaVante Parker - We'd have our own version of the Bears "Marshall and Jeffery." Great size, speed, hands, and leaping ability.
2) Amari Cooper - Can play outside and inside and will be a great WR for the next decade.
3) Dorial Green Beckham -Elite talent that could be available in the 2nd round and we have a perfect mention in Marshall for him.
4) Jaelen Strong - 1st round talent that might be available in the 2nd.
5) Justin Hardy - Another guy who can play outside, inside, and would be a good pick up if we don't take a WR in round 1.
TE
1) Jesse James - Big body that could develop into a starting TE. He should be available in the 4-5th rounds.
2) MyCole Pruitt - Very productive in college, and could be a steal later in the draft.
3) Wes Saxton - Like Paradis said he has all the tools, but he's going to cost more which is why I have him under Pruitt.
4) Ben Koyack - He has great size, pretty good blocker, and has the tools to become a weapon in the passing game.
5) Clive Warford - He's better than most on this list, and will probably be drafted higher than I'd want to take him. I wouldn't hate the pick if we drop back in the 3rd and also depending who is on left the board.
OT
1) TJ Clemmings - I wouldn't take him in the 1st, but if he's available in the second I'd consider him. Has a elite tools, but is still very raw. With the right coaching he could develop into an All Pro.
2) Andrus Peat - Another kid with All Pro potential. He's raw, but not as Clemmings. If we drop back I'd love to take him.
3) Donovan Smith - Should be available in rounds 3-4. If he keeps his weight down he could be a steal.
4) Daryl Williams - He has long arms and he is powerful, but he lacks athleticism. He would be a decent pick if we grab a 5th.
5) Rob Havenstein - Solid run blocker and could probably kick inside and play guard too.
OG
1) AJ Cann - He can come in and start day one. We'd have to take him in the 2nd tho.
2) Laken Tomlinson - Very strong, but he's inconsistent. I wouldn't take him with our second, but if we trade back to the middle/end of round 2 I'd take him.
3) Jamil Douglas - He excels at pass protection, but needs to work on his run blocking. He should be available in rounds 4-6.
4) Mitch Morse - Played tackle in college, but will be a guard in the NFL. Might be available in the 4th.
5) Adam Shead - Huge frame and powerful blocker. Relies too much on his size and needs to work on his technique. He'll come dirt cheap 7th or UDFA.
C
1) Cameron Erving - If he's there in the 2nd I'd consider taking him. His versatility is a huge asset. He play every position and take over for Mangold eventually.
2) B.J Finney - He can be had in rounds 4-5. He was also a wrestler in HS and knows how to use his hands.
3) Chad Hamilton - He could be a steal and will be available in the later rounds.
4) Andy Gallik - Plays hard and has a mean streak. Should be available in the 5-6th round.
5) Shaq Mason - Powerful run blocker and decent in pass protection.
DT
1) Ellis McCarthy - He should come pretty cheap, and would be worth a shot if his knees check out. He's a former 5 star recuit, and we have the DL coach to get the most of out him.
2) Terry Williams - Another huge guy who will come super cheap.
3) Tyeler Davison - He doesn't have the ideal size at 6'2 316, but he's strong as an ox and gets a good push up the middle. He'll cost more than the others tho.
4) Darius Kilgore - Another DT that doesn't have the ideal size at 6'3 219, but he's also strong and rarely gets pushed around. He'll probably be available in the 7th.
5) Xavier Williams - Underrated player who's a decent pass rusher. He'll probably be there in the 6th and would play when we're in a 4-3.
3-4 DE
1) Xavier Cooper - Has great agility for his size, can rush the passer, and play the run. Might be available in the 4th
2) Ray Drew - He's very versatile and should come super cheap. He never lived up to expectations at Georgia, but could be a steal.
3) Corey Crawford - Has great size and should be available in the later rounds or UDFA. If our DL coach can get anything out of him he could be a steal.
4) We really don't need a 3-4 end.
5) We really don't need a 3-4 end.
OLB
1) Dante Fowler Jr - Very versatile and only scratching his potential at 20 years old.
2) Bud Dupree - His stat are impressive when you realize Kentucky asked him to drop into coverage or be a decoy a lot more than any of the other edge rushers in this draft.
3) Vic Beasley - Elite athlete
4) Owamagbe Odighizuwa - Can play at OLB and 4-3 DE. If we went WR in round 1 and he's there in the 2nd it would be a steal. Needs to work on his pass rushing moves.
5) Shane Ray - Explosive off the snap and has violent hands.
ILB
1) Stephone Anthony - Would be great value if he's there in the 3rd, and could eventually take over for Harris.
2) Paul Dawson - If he could fix his attitude he could be a steal. Idc what he did at the combine his tape shows a great player.
3) Ben Heeney - He's a little undersized, but was very productive at Kansas. If our DL could keep him clean he might be a nice player for us.
4) Jordan Hick - Very productive at Texas and has pretty good instincts. Should be available in the 4-5th round.
5) Jeff Luc - Has good speed and is an effective blitzer. Should be available in the 6-7th round.
CB
1) Ronald Darby - Elite athlete and wasn't thrown at a lot. He can play inside and outside. If he drops to the 4th or if we pick up a second 3rd I'd consider taking him.
2) Senquez Golson - He lacks ideal size, but has enough talent to make up for it. He also has elite ball skills, and can probably play a little at FS. He was drafted in the 8th round of the MLB draft as a Center Fielder so he can track the ball well in the air.
3) Ladarius Gunter - Will probably come super cheap and can develop into a #2 CB.
4) Josh Shaw - Can play both the S and CB position.
5) Donald Celiscar - Another player who can play both the CB and S positions. He has good ball skills too, and will come cheap.
S
1) Damarious Randall - One of the better FS in a weak class. Will probably be available in the middle rounds.
2) Chris Hackett - Should come cheap. He had a terrible combine, but his game tape was good.
3) Donald Celiscar - I listed him at CB, but this is a really weak safety class.
4) Senquez Golson - Same as Celiscar
5) Clayton Geathers - Big hitter who won't cost us a 1st and can probably be had in the 7th or UDFA. Like Pryor miss tackles can be an issue.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 12, 2015 19:24:16 GMT -5
I don't know if i agree with this if you're following my "concept" for ranking. Perryman is the number ILB for the Jets? so you're saying we definitely should spend our 1st or 2nd round pick on him? same with Peters? I pretty sure people would have issues with the Jets brass if we took Peters at the top of 2 over Harold, or Strong, etc. Get what I mean? I wouldn't take an ILB, period. Harris is essentially guaranteed to be here for the next two years, Davis is ascending and we just signed Henderson, Mays and Lattimore. And I wouldn't draft another CB either. Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, Milliner, McDougle, Williams, Walls...and you also have Gilchrist who can play the slot if need be. So what's really the point? If it was up to me, we'd only take an OLB and maybe another DL later in the draft and go offense with every other pick. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 12, 2015 19:35:02 GMT -5
Late round DL I would love to throw into the mix with Douzable/Bowen/Vickerson
1. Derrick Lott - Tennessee Chattanooga
2. Ellis McCarthy - UCLA
3. Cameron Botticelli - Minnesota
4. Chucky Hunter - TCU
5. James Castleman - Oklahoma State
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 12, 2015 19:37:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't take an ILB, period. Harris is essentially guaranteed to be here for the next two years, Davis is ascending and we just signed Henderson, Mays and Lattimore. And I wouldn't draft another CB either. Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, Milliner, McDougle, Williams, Walls...and you also have Gilchrist who can play the slot if need be. So what's really the point? Cutting Cro next year saves 8mil with out any dead money. Cutting Gilchrist next year would save 5.375mil with only 1.25mil dead. Revis is essentially a two year rental until we have to redo his deal. Millner who knows if he ever recovers from his achilles injury. Henderson is one strike from being out of the league. Lattimore is good depth, but not a starter. Even tho Harris is here for 2 years I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in some young blood that can cover someone. We spent a lot of money this year, but we're not tied to most of these players. Our team could look VERY different in 2016. There are plenty of reasons to still look at these positions if the player is best available. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 12, 2015 19:38:21 GMT -5
Late round DL I would love to throw into the mix with Douzable/Bowen/Vickerson 1. Derrick Lott - Tennessee Chattanooga 2. Ellis McCarthy - UCLA 3. Cameron Botticelli - Minnesota 4. Chucky Hunter - TCU 5. James Castleman - Oklahoma State Good call on Chucky Hunter. I'm watching the Peach Bowl right now and he keeps flashing. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 12, 2015 19:38:59 GMT -5
I don't know if i agree with this if you're following my "concept" for ranking. Perryman is the number ILB for the Jets? so you're saying we definitely should spend our 1st or 2nd round pick on him? same with Peters? I pretty sure people would have issues with the Jets brass if we took Peters at the top of 2 over Harold, or Strong, etc. Get what I mean? I wouldn't take an ILB, period. Harris is essentially guaranteed to be here for the next two years, Davis is ascending and we just signed Henderson, Mays and Lattimore. And I wouldn't draft another CB either. Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, Milliner, McDougle, Williams, Walls...and you also have Gilchrist who can play the slot if need be. So what's really the point? If it was up to me, we'd only take an OLB and maybe another DL later in the draft and go offense with every other pick. If you don't think the Jets should take Peters, then why do you have him number 1? The point of this is what the top 5 options for the jets should be, as i outlined with a number of late flyer CBs for the Jets. You don't HAVE to do it this way, but that's what this was about. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 12, 2015 19:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by Touchable on Apr 12, 2015 19:43:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't take an ILB, period. Harris is essentially guaranteed to be here for the next two years, Davis is ascending and we just signed Henderson, Mays and Lattimore. And I wouldn't draft another CB either. Revis, Cromartie, Skrine, Milliner, McDougle, Williams, Walls...and you also have Gilchrist who can play the slot if need be. So what's really the point? Cutting Cro next year saves 8mil with out any dead money. Cutting Gilchrist next year would save 5.375mil with only 1.25mil dead. Revis is essentially a two year rental until we have to redo his deal. Millner who knows if he ever recovers from his achilles injury. Henderson is one strike from being out of the league. Lattimore is good depth, but not a starter. Even tho Harris is here for 2 years I wouldn't be opposed to bringing in some young blood that can cover someone. We spent a lot of money this year, but we're not tied to most of these players. Our team could look VERY different in 2016. There are plenty of reasons to still look at these positions if the player is best available. If a Paul Dawson is still hanging around in the 4th round, then sure. By all means. Or if we want to take a late round flier on a guy like Luc or Hager, then I'm fine with that. But I'm certainly prioritizing positions like WR, OLB, RB, OL and even QB over taking an ILB within the first 3 rounds. CB I could accept before ILB. At least it's a premium position. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 12, 2015 19:48:02 GMT -5
If a Paul Dawson or Stephone Anthony is still hanging around in the 4th round, then sure. By all means. Or if we want to take a late round flier on a guy like Luc or Hager, then I'm fine with that. But I'm certainly prioritizing positions like WR, OLB, RB, OL and even QB over taking an ILB within the first 3 rounds. Well that's what Paradis was saying in his post. A lot of the players he and I listed at those positions aren't the best at their position. It's just when we'd start considering taking one if we were the Jets GM. Like I'd love to have Denzel Perryman, but I didn't list him because we'd have to grab him in the second. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 12, 2015 19:48:21 GMT -5
Late round DL I would love to throw into the mix with Douzable/Bowen/Vickerson 1. Derrick Lott - Tennessee Chattanooga 2. Ellis McCarthy - UCLA 3. Cameron Botticelli - Minnesota 4. Chucky Hunter - TCU 5. James Castleman - Oklahoma State Good call on Chucky Hunter. I'm watching the Peach Bowl right now and he keeps flashing. Been high on him for a long time. Great hustle player with smarts who already knows how to use his hands well to disengage. Could turn into a longtime rotational guy with Wilk/Sheldon. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 12, 2015 19:52:27 GMT -5
If a Paul Dawson or Stephone Anthony is still hanging around in the 4th round, then sure. By all means. Or if we want to take a late round flier on a guy like Luc or Hager, then I'm fine with that. But I'm certainly prioritizing positions like WR, OLB, RB, OL and even QB over taking an ILB within the first 3 rounds. Well that's what Paradis was saying in his post. A lot of the players he and I listed at those positions aren't the best at their position. It's just when we'd start considering taking one if we were the Jets GM. Like I'd love to have Denzel Perryman, but I didn't list him because we'd have to grab him in the second. Ah, misunderstood ILB 1. Paul Dawson 2. Ben Heeney 3. Ramik Wilson 4. Bryce Hager 5. Jeff Luc CB 1. Quinten Rollins 2. Josh Shaw 3. Quandre Diggs 4. Merrill Noel 5. Ladarius Gunter |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 12, 2015 19:58:20 GMT -5
Watching the Peach Bowl game makes me want to draft Paul Dawson even more. I hope he drops so we can take him. I'll pay for a babysitter myself if I have to. This kid can ball.
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