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Post by choon328 on Apr 13, 2015 21:00:41 GMT -5
Making Winston out to be worse than he is bc you have a boner for a project QB doesn't seem right. If you look at all of his transgressions that he has beenfound complicit in scream of an immature kid. Not a thug or a criminal. Are the red flags? Yeah. But are they enough to warrant him dropping? No, not in my opinion. Winston is vastly more pro ready than Mariota. Mariota ran a 1 read spread system in college. Winston ran a pro style offense with NFL philosophies. Of course he threw more picks than Mariota, he was asked to do a lot more. I'm not saying Mariota won't be a good QB in this league eventually but he's going to need a few years. I think Winston can make a more immediate impact. His off toverblown behavior is way overblown. Even Peyton Manning was abused of sexual misconduct in college by a trainer who said he put his ass, dickand balls on her face during a physically exam. He settled with her out of court. Immature decisions don't have to drive a person, people grow up and i think Stone pepper forget we're dealing with 21 year old kids. I did a lot of stupid shit when I was in my 20's.
And the Manziel comparison is weak and lazy. Manziel is an alcoholic and probably had been one since college. Totally different case.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 13, 2015 21:08:06 GMT -5
Making Winston out to be worse than he is bc you have a boner for a project QB doesn't seem right. If you look at all of his transgressions that he has been going complicit of thru scream of an immature kid. Not a thug or a criminal. Are the red flags? Yeah. But are they enough to warrant him dropping? No, not in my opinion. Winston is vastly more pro ready than Mariota. Mariota ran a 1 read spread system in college. Winston ran a pro style offense with NFL philosophies. Of course he threw more picks than Mariota, he was asked to do a lot more. I'm not saying Mariota won't be a good QB in this league eventually but he's going to need a few years. I think Winston can make a more immediate impact. Allegedly raping a chick, stealing, repeatedly bitching at your coach on the sideline and shoving a ref doesn't just reek of immaturity to me...it reeks of a fucking idiot. An idiot that I'd have serious reservations about drafting (especially #1 overall) and making the face of my franchise. Especially when there's another QB prospect who most have ranked neck and neck with Winston, who doesn't have even a hint of off the field troubles or "immaturity" issues.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 13, 2015 21:15:03 GMT -5
Making Winston out to be worse than he is bc you have a boner for a project QB doesn't seem right. If you look at all of his transgressions that he has been going complicit of thru scream of an immature kid. Not a thug or a criminal. Are the red flags? Yeah. But are they enough to warrant him dropping? No, not in my opinion. Winston is vastly more pro ready than Mariota. Mariota ran a 1 read spread system in college. Winston ran a pro style offense with NFL philosophies. Of course he threw more picks than Mariota, he was asked to do a lot more. I'm not saying Mariota won't be a good QB in this league eventually but he's going to need a few years. I think Winston can make a more immediate impact. Allegedly raping a chick, stealing, repeatedly bitching at your coach on the sideline and shoving a ref doesn't just reek of immaturity to me...it reeks of a fucking idiot. An idiot that I'd have serious reservations about drafting (especially #1 overall) and making the face of my franchise. Especially when there's another QB prospect who most have ranked neck and neck with Winston, who doesn't have even a hint of off the field troubles or "immaturity" issues. Two separate investigations into the allegations of rape and they didn't find guilt both times. I edited my post above to add some stuff so you should read it again in regards to Peyton Mr. Forehead. And most have Winston as a better prospect than Marioto with higher upside, I don't know where you've been getting your info from. All QB's bitch at their coaches. And listen you want to slurp Mariota that's fine but don't make up facts when 99% of evaluations have Winston as the better prospect and higher upside. If I'm wrong then prove it with facts, not your opinion. Shoving the ref? Really? The ACC came out and said there was nothing wrong with what he did. But of course that proves Winston is an idiot. You continue to throw shit out there that can easily be refuted. The rape thing, the shoving thing, yelling at his coach. You need better material.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 13, 2015 21:24:42 GMT -5
Allegedly raping a chick, stealing, repeatedly bitching at your coach on the sideline and shoving a ref doesn't just reek of immaturity to me...it reeks of a fucking idiot. An idiot that I'd have serious reservations about drafting (especially #1 overall) and making the face of my franchise. Especially when there's another QB prospect who most have ranked neck and neck with Winston, who doesn't have even a hint of off the field troubles or "immaturity" issues. Two separate investigations into the alternative of rape and they didn't find guilt both times. I edited my party above too add some stuff so you should read it again in regards Peyton Mr. Forehead. And most have Winston as a better prospect than Mariota, I don't know where you've been getting your info from. All QB's bitch at their coaches. And listen you want to slurp Mariota Anne that's fine but don't make up facts when 99% of evaluations have Winston as the vet prospect and higher upside. If I'm wrong them prove it with facts, not your opinion. Facts? Being accused of raping a girl, stealing crab legs from a supermarket, yelling at your coach to the point where he literally tells you to "calm the fuck down or I'm gonna bench your ass" and shoving a ref on the field = You're a fucking idiot, not just some innocent "immature" kid. FACT And oh yeah, you mean the investigation where Florida State officials and campus police tampered with the case? FACT And what reports are you looking at where 99% of evaluations have Winston ahead of Mariota? Is Winston ahead of Mariota on most people boards? Sure, but it isn't the kind of runaway that you're making it out to be. And now you have guys like Mayock leaping Mariota ahead of Winston.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 13, 2015 21:38:02 GMT -5
Two separate investigations into the alternative of rape and they didn't find guilt both times. I edited my party above too add some stuff so you should read it again in regards Peyton Mr. Forehead. And most have Winston as a better prospect than Mariota, I don't know where you've been getting your info from. All QB's bitch at their coaches. And listen you want to slurp Mariota Anne that's fine but don't make up facts when 99% of evaluations have Winston as the vet prospect and higher upside. If I'm wrong them prove it with facts, not your opinion. Facts? Being accused of raping a girl, stealing crab legs from a supermarket, yelling at your coach to the point where he literally tells you to "calm the fuck down or I'm gonna bench your ass" and shoving a ref on the field = You're a fucking idiot, not just some innocent "immature" kid. FACT And oh yeah, you mean the investigation where Florida State officials and campus police tampered with the case? FACT And what reports are you looking at where 99% of evaluations have Winston ahead of Mariota? Is Winston ahead of Mariota on most people boards? Sure, but it isn't the kind of runaway that you're making it out to be. And now you have guys like Mayock leaping Mariota ahead of Winston. Accused of rape is not the same thing as raping somebody. The state investigated the case and found no fault at a time where people were pressuring them to make a case. He took $32 worth of crab legs from a store and said he forgot to pay. You're making him out to be an armed robber lol. Tom Sparklepony got into a screaming match with Bill O'Brien on national TV a few years back. Should we be worried about him now? You're naive if you think that most QB's don't have words with the head coach. They have a much different relationship with their qb than any of the other players on the team. Anyone who has played the game knows that. You're talking about mock drafts not scouts grades. Mayock has a higher grade on Winston then he does Mariota. And most people think that Mayock flipped those two to get attention and drum up conversation. Has anyone else of note done that? I doubt it.
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Post by choon328 on Apr 13, 2015 21:50:47 GMT -5
NFL.com Grades
Winston 6.7 Mariota 6.2 Bortles 6.2 Derek Carr 6.1 Bridgewater 6.1 Manziel 6.1
ESPN.com
Winston 97 Mariota 93 Bortles 91 Manziel 90 Bridgewater 89 Carr 68
The difference in scouts grades on those two sites are not minimal between Winston and Mariota.
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Post by rexneffect on Apr 13, 2015 22:03:26 GMT -5
You want a QB who eats, sleeps and breathes football. But what about a QB who eats, sleeps and steals crab legs? Does he casually steal crab legs or is stealing crab legs an integral part of his life.
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Post by crossfire on Apr 13, 2015 22:32:24 GMT -5
========================================== I call bull shit. You win the Internet for today.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Apr 14, 2015 4:53:15 GMT -5
BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I hate the off season. What's so funny? Mariota is a pretty talented kid and not the type you bet against. And if a guy that is known for being a QB guru says that then you should take it seriously. I honestly don't think Jaws is messing around here. There have been other reports that the bucs are weary of Winston's off the field stuff anyway. Because to say this, today is idiotic. You pray he's anywhere near the player Marino or Fouts was and they won 0 championships. Championships are hard to win and take a whole lot more than just being a good or great QB, you still need a team and the right situation. To predict not one but multiple championships is a moron at work trying to make himself look smarter than others
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Apr 14, 2015 6:54:34 GMT -5
Making Winston out to be worse than he is bc you have a boner for a project QB doesn't seem right. If you look at all of his transgressions that he has been going complicit of thru scream of an immature kid. Not a thug or a criminal. Are the red flags? Yeah. But are they enough to warrant him dropping? No, not in my opinion. Winston is vastly more pro ready than Mariota. Mariota ran a 1 read spread system in college. Winston ran a pro style offense with NFL philosophies. Of course he threw more picks than Mariota, he was asked to do a lot more. I'm not saying Mariota won't be a good QB in this league eventually but he's going to need a few years. I think Winston can make a more immediate impact. Allegedly raping a chick, stealing, repeatedly bitching at your coach on the sideline and shoving a ref doesn't just reek of immaturity to me...it reeks of a fucking idiot. An idiot that I'd have serious reservations about drafting (especially #1 overall) and making the face of my franchise. Especially when there's another QB prospect who most have ranked neck and neck with Winston, who doesn't have even a hint of off the field troubles or "immaturity" issues. For all the talk about the chick, he's been cleared twice and if you read the allegations you would drop it too. Bitching his coach out on the sideline? Did you ever hear the two talk about their relationship and how they approached the sideline? Only those who are looking for issues bring their relationship up, there were no issues. At all. As far as the guy who studies the play book and watches video, no one is more of a football geek than Winston. As much as those who don't like him want to claim he isn't, he is that guy. However it pans out, he won't fail because he doesn't take the game seriously enough. Mariota on the other hand has never called his own number, follows a script yet we know he's a playbook guy or video guy? Based on what? And I want him. But he's the biggest question mark. Everything about him is he should be able to Now he's an idiot? That part we don't know.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on Apr 14, 2015 7:19:13 GMT -5
I guess once I hear that the Bucs have opened contract talks with his agent will I finally believe it. I have seen this written before and it's false. There is no reason for teams to open up contract talks with a player anymore bc of the rookie wage scale. It has already been determined how much each player will make depending on where they get selected. The money is already set, the only thing agents have been negotiating AFTER the draft is off-set language. So you won't know who they pick till they make the pick. Which is a good thing. Good point. I forgot about that. I knew that the rookie wage scale was in place but thought they still negotiated how the contract was structured (signing bonus, guaranteed money, etc).
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Post by 2milehighJet on Apr 14, 2015 9:29:22 GMT -5
What's so funny? Mariota is a pretty talented kid and not the type you bet against. And if a guy that is known for being a QB guru says that then you should take it seriously. I honestly don't think Jaws is messing around here. There have been other reports that the bucs are weary of Winston's off the field stuff anyway. Because to say this, today is idiotic. Y ou pray he's anywhere near the player Marino or Fouts was and they won 0 championships. Championships are hard to win and take a whole lot more than just being a good or great QB, you still need a team and the right situation. To predict not one but multiple championships is a moron at work trying to make himself look smarter than others Exactly, Brad johnson and Dilfer come to mind.
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Post by Harrier on Apr 14, 2015 11:39:24 GMT -5
Let's say Winston and Mariota are gone.
Cooper at 6.
Eli Harold in second.
Give Bucs a 4th for Glennon
Self facial, what say you?
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 14, 2015 11:59:24 GMT -5
Let's say Winston and Mariota are gone. Cooper at 6. Eli Harold in second. Give Bucs a 4th and and next years 3rd for Glennon Self facial, what say you? What about the 3rd rounder? lol
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Post by Harrier on Apr 14, 2015 12:05:53 GMT -5
Let's say Winston and Mariota are gone. Cooper at 6. Eli Harold in second. Give Bucs a 4th and and next years 3rd for Glennon Self facial, what say you? What about the 3rd rounder? lol I've not settled on my 3rd rounder yet, but that would be WR, pass rusher, and QB in one hit. I'd take any fucker in the 3rd if we haul those 3.
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