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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 14, 2015 19:00:40 GMT -5
Did not know much about him personally. His father was a great defender at Missouri, had a short NFL career, then went bad. Father walked out on Shane and his mother when Shane was one year old, divorce and bankruptcy follow, and the father ends up in jail. Shane makes the effort to try to connect with the father as he gets into his teenage years, visit him in prison, etc. The father does not seem to want much to do with him. The mother says that Shane came home and cried like a baby for hours wondering what he had to do to make his father love him. The mother scrapes some money together to put Shane into a private Catholic high school, keeping him away from a horrible drug infested situation and his Kansas City town. Shane excels, motivated by anger and pain, becoming one of the best high school football players in the state. He then commits to Missouri, where his father attended, not to make his father proud....but to erase his father's records and make the people of Missouri forget his father! Powerful.
This was simply a great 10 minute segment. Ignore talent, position, etc. for a minute, Shane Ray is the kind of person you want on your team! After hearing his story I am a huge fan of this kid now.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 14, 2015 20:00:34 GMT -5
Nice story, but I still don't know about the kid making the transition to OLB.
If it was me, the only passrusher I'd draft at #6 is Fowler if he falls to us.
Otherwise, give me Cooper, Parker or White.
I think ultimately Winston and Mariota are going #1 and #2.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 14, 2015 20:11:10 GMT -5
It's a sad story, and you can see the anger Ray plays with. A lot of these kids have been through so much already. Another one is Josh Robinson out of Miss State.
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Post by RobR on Apr 14, 2015 21:03:04 GMT -5
It's a sad story, and you can see the anger Ray plays with. A lot of these kids have been through so much already. Another one is Josh Robinson out of Miss State. I would love Josh Robinson with our 6th rounder or even a 5th if we end up adding extra picks. He is going too turn into a draft day steal that only fell because of his combine performance. |
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Post by RobR on Apr 14, 2015 21:03:47 GMT -5
Did not know much about him personally. His father was a great defender at Missouri, had a short NFL career, then went bad. Father walked out on Shane and his mother when Shane was one year old, divorce and bankruptcy follow, and the father ends up in jail. Shane makes the effort to try to connect with the father as he gets into his teenage years, visit him in prison, etc. The father does not seem to want much to do with him. The mother says that Shane came home and cried like a baby for hours wondering what he had to do to make his father love him. The mother scrapes some money together to put Shane into a private Catholic high school, keeping him away from a horrible drug infested situation and his Kansas City town. Shane excels, motivated by anger and pain, becoming one of the best high school football players in the state. He then commits to Missouri, where his father attended, not to make his father proud....but to erase his father's records and make the people of Missouri forget his father! Powerful. This was simply a great 10 minute segment. Ignore talent, position, etc. for a minute, Shane Ray is the kind of person you want on your team! After hearing his story I am a huge fan of this kid now. Link, please. |
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on Apr 14, 2015 21:07:05 GMT -5
The ESPN Draft Academy is on ESPN again right now. Here's an E:60 piece on Ray where he talks about it a little. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 14, 2015 22:00:45 GMT -5
Nice story, but I still don't know about the kid making the transition to OLB. i think that's a cop-out answer. Or maybe "narrow minded" is better. I also agree that drafting Ray solely for the purpose of filling a need at OLB is not 100% safe... but so what? He's a playmaker and excels at disrupting the pocket and making plays in the backfield - QB or RB. I trust management to make the right decision... I mean, we didn't have a huge need at DT when we took Richardson and that same to work out OK. BPA. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 14, 2015 22:45:21 GMT -5
Nice story, but I still don't know about the kid making the transition to OLB. i think that's a cop-out answer. Or maybe "narrow minded" is better. I also agree that drafting Ray solely for the purpose of filling a need at OLB is not 100% safe... but so what? He's a playmaker and excels at disrupting the pocket and making plays in the backfield - QB or RB. I trust management to make the right decision... I mean, we didn't have a huge need at DT when we took Richardson and that same to work out OK. BPA. How's it a cop out? One of Ray's biggest strengths is his initial burst off the LOS and ability to bend the corner. You're diminishing that if you ask him to stand up and play 2-3 yards off the LOS. And if you ask him to pack on 10-15 pounds, which he definitely needs to do to be anything more than a situational passrusher, does that negate some of the explosiveness that he's known for? I don't think it's a slam dunk at all that he would be the BPA when we go on the clock at #6 either. I'm not even convinced that he goes in the Top 10 come draft day. Would I be pissed if we took him? Not really. I love his motor and the violence he shows with his hands. But I would definitely have some lingering concerns. |
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 14, 2015 23:43:01 GMT -5
Here you go... The ESPN Draft Academy is on ESPN again right now. Here's an E:60 piece on Ray where he talks about it a little.  Thanks hollywood. That was slightly different but largely the same footage from the piece on Draft Academy today. And I agree, as a pure standup OLB I think Ray isn't as valuable. We'd miss out on what makes him the special player that he is, but I'm still not 100% sure what we'll see from Bowles this year. If we're in a 4-3 for a good chunk of the time and Ray can play DE with his hand in the dirt for 150+ snaps this year then he could really be worth it. But I don't think we want to end up with two guys (Coples, Ray) who are a bit miscast in a 3-4 defense. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 14, 2015 23:45:35 GMT -5
i think that's a cop-out answer. Or maybe "narrow minded" is better. I also agree that drafting Ray solely for the purpose of filling a need at OLB is not 100% safe... but so what? He's a playmaker and excels at disrupting the pocket and making plays in the backfield - QB or RB. I trust management to make the right decision... I mean, we didn't have a huge need at DT when we took Richardson and that same to work out OK. BPA. How's it a cop out? One of Ray's biggest strengths is his initial burst off the LOS and ability to bend the corner. You're diminishing that if you ask him to stand up and play 2-3 yards off the LOS. And if you ask him to pack on 10-15 pounds, which he definitely needs to do to be anything more than a situational passrusher, does that negate some of the explosiveness that he's known for? I don't think it's a slam dunk at all that he would be the BPA when we go on the clock at #6 either. I'm not even convinced that he goes in the Top 10 come draft day. Would I be pissed if we took him? Not really. I love his motor and the violence he shows with his hands. But I would definitely have some lingering concerns. But why (in god's name) does he need to play OLB?? why do people keep talking about it like well i don't know what's going to happen when he plays 2-3 yards -- fuck off with that already! I don't want him playing 2-3 yards of LOS. I want him right where he belongs, hand in the dirt, on the end. Did we not learn anything by wasting 3 years of Coples's time?? Who's to say we're going to line up in 30 fronts next year?? Bowles plays to the strength of the roster. If we took Ray, clearly that means we would be better served in base 40s, 46s , etc etc. I myself am giving zero fucks about the size/weight thing. For me, that is of no concern. I'd accept that as a concern for others, but not me... but i can't believe how narrow minded people are being what kind of front the Jets should be running next year... lets see, Ray/Richardson/Wilkerson/Coples, or Wikerson/Harrison/Richardson... hmmm i know which one i'll be fielding. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 15, 2015 7:32:23 GMT -5
How's it a cop out? One of Ray's biggest strengths is his initial burst off the LOS and ability to bend the corner. You're diminishing that if you ask him to stand up and play 2-3 yards off the LOS. And if you ask him to pack on 10-15 pounds, which he definitely needs to do to be anything more than a situational passrusher, does that negate some of the explosiveness that he's known for? I don't think it's a slam dunk at all that he would be the BPA when we go on the clock at #6 either. I'm not even convinced that he goes in the Top 10 come draft day. Would I be pissed if we took him? Not really. I love his motor and the violence he shows with his hands. But I would definitely have some lingering concerns. But why (in god's name) does he need to play OLB?? why do people keep talking about it like well i don't know what's going to happen when he plays 2-3 yards -- fuck off with that already! I don't want him playing 2-3 yards of LOS. I want him right where he belongs, hand in the dirt, on the end. Did we not learn anything by wasting 3 years of Coples's time?? Who's to say we're going to line up in 30 fronts next year?? Bowles plays to the strength of the roster. If we took Ray, clearly that means we would be better served in base 40s, 46s , etc etc. I myself am giving zero fucks about the size/weight thing. For me, that is of no concern. I'd accept that as a concern for others, but not me... but i can't believe how narrow minded people are being what kind of front the Jets should be running next year... lets see, Ray/Richardson/Wilkerson/Coples, or Wikerson/Harrison/Richardson... hmmm i know which one i'll be fielding. We aren't running base 4-3 fronts. That shit went out the window as soon as we re-signed Harris for $7 million a year. The Jets are going to be a base 3-4 team, just as the Cardinals were under Bowles. So why the hell would we draft what basically amounts to a situational passrusher with the 6th overall pick? Give me one of the top wideouts so maybe this team can average more than 16 fucking points a game for a change. I'd much rather go after Harold, Mauldin, or the kid from UCLA in Round 2 over taking Ray at #6. Hell, Ray's teammate Markus Golden is a better fit if you ask me and he could be avilable in the 3rd. |
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 15, 2015 8:07:59 GMT -5
But why (in god's name) does he need to play OLB?? why do people keep talking about it like well i don't know what's going to happen when he plays 2-3 yards -- fuck off with that already! I don't want him playing 2-3 yards of LOS. I want him right where he belongs, hand in the dirt, on the end. Did we not learn anything by wasting 3 years of Coples's time?? Who's to say we're going to line up in 30 fronts next year?? Bowles plays to the strength of the roster. If we took Ray, clearly that means we would be better served in base 40s, 46s , etc etc. I myself am giving zero fucks about the size/weight thing. For me, that is of no concern. I'd accept that as a concern for others, but not me... but i can't believe how narrow minded people are being what kind of front the Jets should be running next year... lets see, Ray/Richardson/Wilkerson/Coples, or Wikerson/Harrison/Richardson... hmmm i know which one i'll be fielding. We aren't running base 4-3 fronts. That shit went out the window as soon as we re-signed Harris for $7 million a year. The Jets are going to be a base 3-4 team, just as the Cardinals were under Bowles. So why the hell would we draft what basically amounts to a situational passrusher with the 6th overall pick? Give me one of the top wideouts so maybe this team can average more than 16 fucking points a game for a change. I'd much rather go after Harold, Mauldin, or the kid from UCLA in Round 2 over taking Ray at #6. Hell, Ray's teammate Markus Golden is a better fit if you ask me and he could be avilable in the 3rd. I agree...scouts have already questioned Ray's ability to play OLB in a 3-4. But if Fowler is there at 6, I would go Fowler then pick up a guy like Agholor or Dorsett or Smith in the second. |
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Post by Touchable on Apr 15, 2015 8:09:46 GMT -5
We aren't running base 4-3 fronts. That shit went out the window as soon as we re-signed Harris for $7 million a year. The Jets are going to be a base 3-4 team, just as the Cardinals were under Bowles. So why the hell would we draft what basically amounts to a situational passrusher with the 6th overall pick? Give me one of the top wideouts so maybe this team can average more than 16 fucking points a game for a change. I'd much rather go after Harold, Mauldin, or the kid from UCLA in Round 2 over taking Ray at #6. Hell, Ray's teammate Markus Golden is a better fit if you ask me and he could be avilable in the 3rd. I agree...scouts have already questioned Ray's ability to play OLB in a 3-4. But if Fowler is there at 6, I would go Fowler then pick up a guy like Agholor or Dorsett or Smith in the second. Agreed on Fowler I just can't see him making it to us. The lowest I see him falling is #5 to Washington. |
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Post by joepnyj1 on Apr 15, 2015 8:40:55 GMT -5
I agree...scouts have already questioned Ray's ability to play OLB in a 3-4. But if Fowler is there at 6, I would go Fowler then pick up a guy like Agholor or Dorsett or Smith in the second. Agreed on Fowler I just can't see him making it to us. The lowest I see him falling is #5 to Washington. Right. The odds are small. The only scenario that I see it happening is that if TB takes Winston, another team trades up with Tennessee to pick up Mariota, Jacksonville goes with Williams at 3, Raiders take either Cooper or White at 4 and the Redskins opt to take Beasley at 5. I really like Beasley too. Unlike Ray he can play OLB in a 34 and he can probably play at around 250-255lbs and not lose his speed and explosiveness. He is also incredibly strong in the upper body, he put up 35 reps on the bench. Like you, I definitely would like to upgrade the offense and I think we can def do that between 2-4 rounds, this draft is pretty deep especially at RB and WR which is exactly what we need. Now lets hope Mac takes advantage of it. |
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Post by Paradis on Apr 15, 2015 11:02:58 GMT -5
But why (in god's name) does he need to play OLB?? why do people keep talking about it like well i don't know what's going to happen when he plays 2-3 yards -- fuck off with that already! I don't want him playing 2-3 yards of LOS. I want him right where he belongs, hand in the dirt, on the end. Did we not learn anything by wasting 3 years of Coples's time?? Who's to say we're going to line up in 30 fronts next year?? Bowles plays to the strength of the roster. If we took Ray, clearly that means we would be better served in base 40s, 46s , etc etc. I myself am giving zero fucks about the size/weight thing. For me, that is of no concern. I'd accept that as a concern for others, but not me... but i can't believe how narrow minded people are being what kind of front the Jets should be running next year... lets see, Ray/Richardson/Wilkerson/Coples, or Wikerson/Harrison/Richardson... hmmm i know which one i'll be fielding. We aren't running base 4-3 fronts. That shit went out the window as soon as we re-signed Harris for $7 million a year. The Jets are going to be a base 3-4 team, just as the Cardinals were under Bowles. So why the hell would we draft what basically amounts to a situational passrusher with the 6th overall pick? Give me one of the top wideouts so maybe this team can average more than 16 fucking points a game for a change. I'd much rather go after Harold, Mauldin, or the kid from UCLA in Round 2 over taking Ray at #6. Hell, Ray's teammate Markus Golden is a better fit if you ask me and he could be avilable in the 3rd. Bowles is not a strict 3-4 guy and I don't think signing means anything more than we value him as a run stuffer. In done arguing about this. You'll see. |
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