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Post by canadasteve on Apr 20, 2015 13:11:30 GMT -5
I would trade down if I were the Jets, and I think Cleveland would be interested.
If Mariota and Fowler were gone, I would also presume Leonard Williams and Winston would be as well.
That would mean at #6, there would be the option of two of the three of Amari Cooper, Devante Parker, and Kevin White. Cleveland needs WR help big time, especially with Gordon suspended for a year. For them to move up from 12 to 6 would be 400 points (according to Jimmie's chart).
What I would consider for the Jets is this: They take Cleveland's #12, their 3rd (77th pick worth 205 points), their 1st #4 (111th pick worth 72 points) and their #5 (147th pick worth 32.6 points). We lose a bit of trade value, but we get an extra 3 and 4, and we replace the 5th we lose for Marshall.
I believe one or both of Shane Ray and Randy Gregory, so we would still get our pass-rusher. The rest could play out as such:
1. Randy Gregory OLB
2. Ereck Flowers RT
3. Benardrick McKinney ILB
3. Devon Funchess WR
4. T.J. Yeldon RB
4. Trey Flowers OLB
5. Brandon Bridge QB
That would not be bad for this year. A RT who could sit and learn for a year, and play if in a pinch; same with an ILB, a depth WR who is 6'5", and a big solid RB. Not to mention a situational OLB to go with a starting OLB, and a developmental QB.
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Post by Touchable on Apr 20, 2015 13:21:04 GMT -5
I'd take Cooper if he's available and not think twice.
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 20, 2015 13:44:04 GMT -5
I'd stay put at #6 in pretty much any scenario. There are about 8 players I think are worthy of a pick at 6. You can always argue things like, "Is Amari Cooper more like a #10 than a #6?" or say "I like Shane Ray at #12 better than at #6" but in my opinion that's where people start to outsmart themselves. If 5 years from now a guy turns out to have been worth it at #12 then he was worth it at #6. We should stay put and take the BPA at #6....it will likely be a guy like Cooper, White, Beasley or Ray.....and all of those guys are Top 10 prospects in my opinion.
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Post by JonEJet on Apr 20, 2015 13:48:54 GMT -5
You're not getting that type of ransom for moving down 6 slots. Look at the most recent drafts, teams moving down aren't getting as much since they changed the pay scale for rookies
Move down 6 spots for their #12 and their 3rd rounder is all we'd probably get
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Post by jetstream23 on Apr 20, 2015 14:25:43 GMT -5
You're not getting that type of ransom for moving down 6 slots. Look at the most recent drafts, teams moving down aren't getting as much since they changed the pay scale for rookies Move down 6 spots for their #12 and their 3rd rounder is all we'd probably get Great point on the role of the new Rookie Cap in trade-down scenarios. And moving down from 6 to 12 for a 3rd rounder just doesn't seem worth it to me right now until we see who is there at #6. If we were going to move down from 6 I'd rather go back further into the teens or early 20's and pick up a good 2nd round pick so that we can have multiple players with potential impact as a rookie. Going back to that area (say 17-24) puts us in position for one of the Top OT's, one of the Top 2 RBs (Gordon, Gurley), or one of the Tier 2 WRs like Jaelen Strong or Perriman. And then having two picks in Round 2 really sets us up with flexibility as we could go with both a QB and OLB if we wanted to. |
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Post by canadasteve on Apr 20, 2015 14:28:12 GMT -5
Its not about us moving down, it is about another team moving up; and history has shown just the opposite.
St. Louis got two first rounders and a second for Washington to move up 4 spots.
Cleveland switched first rounders, and got another first, 2 seconds, and a 4 from Atlanta for Julio Jones.
And we all know about Buffalo and their move for Sammy Watkins.
If teams want to move up, they will pay the price. In Cleveland's case, all three receivers could be gone by the time they pick.
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Post by canadasteve on Apr 20, 2015 14:31:00 GMT -5
You're not getting that type of ransom for moving down 6 slots. Look at the most recent drafts, teams moving down aren't getting as much since they changed the pay scale for rookies Move down 6 spots for their #12 and their 3rd rounder is all we'd probably get Great point on the role of the new Rookie Cap in trade-down scenarios. And moving down from 6 to 12 for a 3rd rounder just doesn't seem worth it to me right now until we see who is there at #6. If we were going to move down from 6 I'd rather go back further into the teens or early 20's and pick up a good 2nd round pick so that we can multiple players with potential impact as a rookie. Going back to that area (say 17-24) puts in position for a one of the Top OT's, one of the Top 2 RBs (Gordon, Gurley), or one of the Tier 2 WRs like Jaelen Strong or Perriman. And then having two picks in Round 2 really sets us up with flexibility as we could go with both a QB and OLB if we wanted to. Its not for a 3rd; its for a 3, 4 and a 5. To me, that is worth moving down six spots when one of your two targets should be there. |
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Post by Augustiniak on Apr 20, 2015 14:45:35 GMT -5
i think if the jets stay at 6 they will take either mariotta if he's there, or the best edge guy on their board. getting marshall gives them wr leeway, and with geno/fitz at qb any wr they take won't have the impact that an edge rusher will have with the revamped secondary.
that said, i have a hunch the reason the jets are signing lbs and ridley, is b/c they may look to trade up a few spots, either with jax or oakland, to nab mariotta if he falls, and they would give up a few picks in rounds 2-4.
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Post by Hotman on Apr 20, 2015 15:47:34 GMT -5
Its not about us moving down, it is about another team moving up; and history has shown just the opposite. St. Louis got two first rounders and a second for Washington to move up 4 spots. Cleveland switched first rounders, and got another first, 2 seconds, and a 4 from Atlanta for Julio Jones. And we all know about Buffalo and their move for Sammy Watkins. If teams want to move up, they will pay the price. In Cleveland's case, all three receivers could be gone by the time they pick. Well it's a good thing we'll be there to take one of the WR's this year and not get the shaft like last year. Fuck Cleveland and their orange unis. |
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Post by Hotman on Apr 20, 2015 15:50:28 GMT -5
BTW, I'd rather have Cooper than Mariota. Don't want Mariota or Winston. Yeah, I'm crazy. I've also been right about every one of these "sure thing" QB stars, especially the USC ones. I'd be perfectly content if the Jets never draft another player from USC ever again. Fuck those socal pussies.
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Post by rangerous on Apr 20, 2015 19:45:24 GMT -5
BTW, I'd rather have Cooper than Mariota. Don't want Mariota or Winston. Yeah, I'm crazy. I've also been right about every one of these "sure thing" QB stars, especially the USC ones. I'd be perfectly content if the Jets never draft another player from USC ever again. Fuck those socal pussies. i'm okay with dissing the usc qb's. oregon? one up (fouts) and one down (harrington). Mariota has a high enough pre-draft grade and enough separation from the next group to indicate some really high potential. |
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Post by Aussie Jet on Apr 20, 2015 20:34:31 GMT -5
Its not about us moving down, it is about another team moving up; and history has shown just the opposite. St. Louis got two first rounders and a second for Washington to move up 4 spots. Cleveland switched first rounders, and got another first, 2 seconds, and a 4 from Atlanta for Julio Jones. And we all know about Buffalo and their move for Sammy Watkins. If teams want to move up, they will pay the price. In Cleveland's case, all three receivers could be gone by the time they pick. The Redskins paid a ransom to move up to pick #2 to take RGMe. Atlanta did move up to pick #6 to take Jones, but that was in the 2011 draft, so it preceded the new rookie payscale. The Bills moved up to pick #4 to take Sammy Watkins and even at the time a lot of pundits thought they overpaid to get the pick to take Watkins. Unlike the examples you tossed out, I don't see the Jets netting a major haul of picks if they trade out of pick 6 unless one of Winston or Mariota is on the board at 6. If a Winston or Mariota is on the board then I'd rather Maccagnan take the chance on picking a QB who could become the Jets' first real franchise QB since Joe fuckin' Namath then trade down to pick up a pass rusher and then watch the bloke taken at 6 dominate the NFL for the next 10 years. Particularly this season, when the coaching staff and the front office staff are new to the Jets, they have time to put their imprint on the organisation so unless a mega-offer comes in from a particularly stupid or desperate team (like Cleveland) stay at #6 and pick BPA. |
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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 21, 2015 8:57:26 GMT -5
I'd stay put at #6 in pretty much any scenario. There are about 8 players I think are worthy of a pick at 6. You can always argue things like, "Is Amari Cooper more like a #10 than a #6?" or say "I like Shane Ray at #12 better than at #6" but in my opinion that's where people start to outsmart themselves. If 5 years from now a guy turns out to have been worth it at #12 then he was worth it at #6. We should stay put and take the BPA at #6....it will likely be a guy like Cooper, White, Beasley or Ray.....and all of those guys are Top 10 prospects in my opinion. I agree with this entire post except picking Ray at 6. I love his motor but I think he is a little smallish and may get swallowed at the line a bit... |
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Post by jets.penguin on Apr 21, 2015 9:07:20 GMT -5
Its not about us moving down, it is about another team moving up; and history has shown just the opposite. St. Louis got two first rounders and a second for Washington to move up 4 spots. Cleveland switched first rounders, and got another first, 2 seconds, and a 4 from Atlanta for Julio Jones. And we all know about Buffalo and their move for Sammy Watkins. If teams want to move up, they will pay the price. In Cleveland's case, all three receivers could be gone by the time they pick. The Redskins paid a ransom to move up to pick #2 to take RGMe. Atlanta did move up to pick #6 to take Jones, but that was in the 2011 draft, so it preceded the new rookie payscale. The Bills moved up to pick #4 to take Sammy Watkins and even at the time a lot of pundits thought they overpaid to get the pick to take Watkins. Unlike the examples you tossed out, I don't see the Jets netting a major haul of picks if they trade out of pick 6 unless one of Winston or Mariota is on the board at 6. If a Winston or Mariota is on the board then I'd rather Maccagnan take the chance on picking a QB who could become the Jets' first real franchise QB since Joe fuckin' Namath then trade down to pick up a pass rusher and then watch the bloke taken at 6 dominate the NFL for the next 10 years. Particularly this season, when the coaching staff and the front office staff are new to the Jets, they have time to put their imprint on the organisation so unless a mega-offer comes in from a particularly stupid or desperate team (like Cleveland) stay at #6 and pick BPA.This more than anything else is what makes me believe we may be gunning for a QB. When a new regime takes over they want a fresh start unless there is an established QB already there. It isnt like other positions, a franchise QB can make the difference between a long run while they adjust to the learning curve in their new jobs and a short run where people question if it was a mistake to hire them. |
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Post by Augustiniak on Apr 21, 2015 9:23:54 GMT -5
The Redskins paid a ransom to move up to pick #2 to take RGMe. Atlanta did move up to pick #6 to take Jones, but that was in the 2011 draft, so it preceded the new rookie payscale. The Bills moved up to pick #4 to take Sammy Watkins and even at the time a lot of pundits thought they overpaid to get the pick to take Watkins. Unlike the examples you tossed out, I don't see the Jets netting a major haul of picks if they trade out of pick 6 unless one of Winston or Mariota is on the board at 6. If a Winston or Mariota is on the board then I'd rather Maccagnan take the chance on picking a QB who could become the Jets' first real franchise QB since Joe fuckin' Namath then trade down to pick up a pass rusher and then watch the bloke taken at 6 dominate the NFL for the next 10 years. Particularly this season, when the coaching staff and the front office staff are new to the Jets, they have time to put their imprint on the organisation so unless a mega-offer comes in from a particularly stupid or desperate team (like Cleveland) stay at #6 and pick BPA.This more than anything else is what makes me believe we may be gunning for a QB. When a new regime takes over they want a fresh start unless there is an established QB already there. It isnt like other positions, a franchise QB can make the difference between a long run while they adjust to the learning curve in their new jobs and a short run where people question if it was a mistake to hire them. they don't have the draft ammo to trade up to #2, but i wouldn't be surprised if they swing a deal with jax or oak to land mariotta. if not, i think it will come down to beasley or cooper. |
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