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Post by CTJetsFanII on May 2, 2015 18:44:51 GMT -5
Thanks. So this indicates a cap on signing bonuses and *minimum* yearly salaries, not *maximum*. Doesn't seem to say anything about how high an annual contract that can be offered and for how long. Example - can we offer a $10k signing bonus but a 3 year, $12 million dollar contract guaranteed? All UDFAs make the league minimum. The only difference between the offers that teams can make them is the amount of the signing bonus, and teams only have a $90,000 to use on signing bonuses for UDFAs. Gotcha. Thought we might have an opportunity to get creative with our cap room using a high $, longer, guaranteed deal. Sounds like we can't.
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Post by Hollywood Nosebleed on May 3, 2015 16:24:56 GMT -5
La'El Collins is represented by Priority Sports, aka the agency Tannenbaum most recently worked for. The Sun-Sentinel is reporting this morning that the Dolphins will make a run at Collins
This would really suck.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on May 3, 2015 19:56:55 GMT -5
La'El Collins is represented by Priority Sports, aka the agency Tannenbaum most recently worked for. The Sun-Sentinel is reporting this morning that the Dolphins will make a run at Collins This would really suck. they could really use him so it wouldn't surprise
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 4, 2015 2:01:42 GMT -5
Guess the treatment afforded arrests or questioning of a A.Hernandez or R.Lewis isn't an issue when a potential murderer can add to a position of need.
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Post by vicmill on May 4, 2015 7:04:04 GMT -5
Either all these teams know more about the investigation than is being let on or there is some kind of collusion in effect here in which the teams agreed not to draft him. If not, and with the low likelihood that a 7th round pick makes the team, let alone contributes at some point in his career, how could no team risk a 7th round pick and draft this kid? If he's a bad guy and becomes a person of interest in the investigation, you drop him and you've lost the value of a 7th round pick. If not, you have first round value for a seventh round pick. It's risk management 101. What am I missing here?
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Post by joepnyj1 on May 4, 2015 7:26:10 GMT -5
Either all these teams know more about the investigation than is being let on or there is some kind of collusion in effect here in which the teams agreed not to draft him. If not, and with the low likelihood that a 7th round pick makes the team, let alone contributes at some point in his career, how could no team risk a 7th round pick and draft this kid? If he's a bad guy and becomes a person of interest in the investigation, you drop him and you've lost the value of a 7th round pick. If not, you have first round value for a seventh round pick. It's risk management 101. What am I missing here? Agreed...the risk to reward ratio is def good enough to pick Collins in the 7th. But it makes me wonder why everyone passed on him? It has to be something else...
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Post by sec.101row23 on May 4, 2015 7:30:46 GMT -5
Either all these teams know more about the investigation than is being let on or there is some kind of collusion in effect here in which the teams agreed not to draft him. If not, and with the low likelihood that a 7th round pick makes the team, let alone contributes at some point in his career, how could no team risk a 7th round pick and draft this kid? If he's a bad guy and becomes a person of interest in the investigation, you drop him and you've lost the value of a 7th round pick. If not, you have first round value for a seventh round pick. It's risk management 101. What am I missing here? Agreed...the risk to reward ratio is def good enough to pick Collins in the 7th. But it makes me wonder why everyone passed on him? It has to be something else... Why is it such a mystery? His agent said that if he wasn't drafted on Friday night that he wasn't going to sign a contract. Why would any team draft him after his agent said that?
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Post by Lithfan on May 4, 2015 7:41:24 GMT -5
Agreed...the risk to reward ratio is def good enough to pick Collins in the 7th. But it makes me wonder why everyone passed on him? It has to be something else... Why is it such a mystery? His agent said that if he wasn't drafted on Friday night that he wasn't going to sign a contract. Why would any team draft him after his agent said that? yup. Waste a late pick on him and he doesn't sign, he could sit out a year and enter the draft next year for his $10 mil+ in guaranteed money. Only reason I could possibly see to use a late round pick on him is to block him from going to a Division Rival this year. As a Louisiana kid, if you are afraid he will sign with the Saints, maybe a Division rival uses a 7 to force him out for the year and prevent a rival from getting a 1st round talent for next to nothing.
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Post by vicmill on May 4, 2015 7:56:50 GMT -5
Agreed...the risk to reward ratio is def good enough to pick Collins in the 7th. But it makes me wonder why everyone passed on him? It has to be something else... Why is it such a mystery? His agent said that if he wasn't drafted on Friday night that he wasn't going to sign a contract. Why would any team draft him after his agent said that? It's a 7th round pick. Its value is close to zero. The jets forfeited one to move up one spot in the 4th round. Even if you judge the likelihood as 10% his agent is bluffing and he's exonerted (I think it's much higher than that unless the teams know something we don't), it's worth the risk for potential first round value.
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Post by BEAC0NJET on May 4, 2015 8:27:14 GMT -5
Why is it such a mystery? His agent said that if he wasn't drafted on Friday night that he wasn't going to sign a contract. Why would any team draft him after his agent said that? It's a 7th round pick. Its value is close to zero. The jets forfeited one to move up one spot in the 4th round. Even if you judge the likelihood as 10% his agent is bluffing and he's exonerted (I think it's much higher than that unless the teams know something we don't), it's worth the risk for potential first round value. I thought I read, and even saw here earlier in this thread, that any team that spent any pick on him would NOT be allowed to draft him again if he didnt sign. In that regard its not worth the risk.
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Post by vicmill on May 4, 2015 8:35:24 GMT -5
It's a 7th round pick. Its value is close to zero. The jets forfeited one to move up one spot in the 4th round. Even if you judge the likelihood as 10% his agent is bluffing and he's exonerted (I think it's much higher than that unless the teams know something we don't), it's worth the risk for potential first round value. I thought I read, and even saw here earlier in this thread, that any team that spent any pick on him would NOT be allowed to draft him again if he didnt sign. In that regard its not worth the risk. You're worried about next year's draft? Coming off a year in which he didn't play any football, can't believe his draft stock will be very high. And they'll be plenty of other options. That doesn't affect the risk assessment at all.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on May 4, 2015 9:13:30 GMT -5
Why is it such a mystery? His agent said that if he wasn't drafted on Friday night that he wasn't going to sign a contract. Why would any team draft him after his agent said that? It's a 7th round pick. Its value is close to zero. The jets forfeited one to move up one spot in the 4th round. Even if you judge the likelihood as 10% his agent is bluffing and he's exonerted (I think it's much higher than that unless the teams know something we don't), it's worth the risk for potential first round value. The player would still have the option to not sign. A 7th round deal (whose salary is determined by the CBA) is worth a lot less than a 1st or 2nd round deal. It would be worth it for the kid to wait a year so why would a team waste the pick, especially after being told by the agent he wouldn't sign.
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Post by vicmill on May 4, 2015 9:22:46 GMT -5
It's a 7th round pick. Its value is close to zero. The jets forfeited one to move up one spot in the 4th round. Even if you judge the likelihood as 10% his agent is bluffing and he's exonerted (I think it's much higher than that unless the teams know something we don't), it's worth the risk for potential first round value. The player would still have the option to not sign. A 7th round deal (whose salary is determined by the CBA) is worth a lot less than a 1st or 2nd round deal. It would be worth it for the kid to wait a year so why would a team waste the pick, especially after being told by the agent he wouldn't sign. I don't know. Seems like a big risk for a kid who hasn't proven anything yet to sit out a year. Sounds like the kid also hangs around in an environment where people get killed. With a lot of free time on his hands for a year, no telling what kind of trouble he could get into. Also a first or second round pick needs to wait 4-5 years until free agency where the real money is. I assume that a 7th round pick is less plus the lost year for sitting out a year. I bet if he's exonerated, he signs as a free agent with some team to start to accrue time towards free agency and real money. That's what I'd advise the kid to do if I was advising him and also have h take out major insurance policies for injury.
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Post by vicmill on May 4, 2015 9:23:45 GMT -5
The player would still have the option to not sign. A 7th round deal (whose salary is determined by the CBA) is worth a lot less than a 1st or 2nd round deal. It would be worth it for the kid to wait a year so why would a team waste the pick, especially after being told by the agent he wouldn't sign. I don't know. Seems like a big risk for a kid who hasn't proven anything yet to sit out a year. Sounds like the kid also hangs around in an environment where people get killed. With a lot of free time on his hands for a year, no telling what kind of trouble he could get into. Also a first or second round pick needs to wait 4-5 years until free agency where the real money is. I assume that a 7th round pick is less plus the lost year for sitting out a year. I bet if he's exonerated, he signs as a free agent with some team to start to accrue time towards free agency and real money. That's what I'd advise the kid to do if I was advising him and also have him take out major insurance policies for injury.
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Post by CTJetsFanII on May 4, 2015 9:57:40 GMT -5
The player would still have the option to not sign. A 7th round deal (whose salary is determined by the CBA) is worth a lot less than a 1st or 2nd round deal. It would be worth it for the kid to wait a year so why would a team waste the pick, especially after being told by the agent he wouldn't sign. I don't know. Seems like a big risk for a kid who hasn't proven anything yet to sit out a year. Sounds like the kid also hangs around in an environment where people get killed. With a lot of free time on his hands for a year, no telling what kind of trouble he could get into. Also a first or second round pick needs to wait 4-5 years until free agency where the real money is. I assume that a 7th round pick is less plus the lost year for sitting out a year. I bet if he's exonerated, he signs as a free agent with some team to start to accrue time towards free agency and real money. That's what I'd advise the kid to do if I was advising him and also have h take out major insurance policies for injury. It's a highly unusual situation where all sides are gambling and taking a risk. It's terrible that someone died, but it's also terrible (assuming no involvement) if this kids career is damaged because of something he had nothing to do with.
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