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Post by shootmenow on May 22, 2015 16:15:46 GMT -5
You can merge this with the other Brady threads but I thought it worth it's own headline.
Belidick never believed Brady's Deflategate story, says Boston reporter
All through the Deflategate process, one in which many voices were shouting many different things, there was one group that was conspicuously quiet: NFL quarterbacks, past and present.
Oh, a few would do a demonstration on PSI for television cameras or give a perfunctory quote about their own preference for an ideal football, but no one at all came rushing to Brady’s defense. There were two inferences to make from this: First, everybody was doing the same exact thing, so they hoped Brady’s saga would end quickly so they could get back to tailoring footballs to their specificities. Or, as Boston Herald writer Ron Borges told a Boston sports program this week, nobody besides Don Yee leapt to Brady’s defense because no one believed his story, including Bill Belidick.
“Belidick never believed his story, from what I was told. Because they all know. Why do you think all those retired quarterbacks, the Troy Aikmans of the world — Troy Aikman is about as nice a guy as I’ve ever met in football — nobody’s backed [Brady]. Nobody, not a single guy. Why do you think that is? Because they hate Brady? No. Because they’re not stupid. They know nothing’s done with those balls that the quarterback doesn’t want done.”
Remember Belidick’s bizarre press conference from the height of Deflategate, the one in which it seemed like he was throwing Brady under the bus but was possibly trying to shift blame to the Golden Boy quarterback, someone who would never be sanctioned by the NFL? No one could believe it was the first, so the second made more sense, especially in a “Belidick is crazy like a fox” reading of the situation. Now it looks like it was indeed Belidick hanging his quarterback out to dry. Why else would he have repeatedly invoked Brady’s name at that press conference?
“Tom’s personal preference on his footballs are something he can talk about in much better detail than I can possibly provide,” Belidick said that day, 10 days before the Super Bowl, in a highly damning quote given well before anyone had heard of Ted Wells.
If anyone knows how to manipulate the media, it’s Belidick. That line about Brady wasn’t accidental or given without thought of what it’d mean or how it’d be perceived. Belidick knew what he was doing and, evidently, he knew what his quarterback was doing. And when Brady got caught, it was every man for himself.
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Post by rangerous on May 22, 2015 16:30:25 GMT -5
it's not about who exactly ordered the ball boyz to deflate the footballs or how much to deflate them to. it is all about the suggestion that brady made to the guys and how they tried to do as he wished. the patsie morons all seem to think it wasn't cheating because the ball boys probably didn't use a pressure gage to measure the deflation. they probably asked how soft brady wanted his balls and did their best to comply. bellichicken had to know and so did mcdaniel. mcdaniel was a weasel in denver and he knows everything that's going on. so, imo, bellichicken didn't order it but he let it happen. brady didn't order it but he did empower the ball boys to deflate the his balls. it's pretty pathetic of brady not to realize the influence he had over those guys.
karas and hornung were out for a season. brady needs more than 4 games.
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Post by HawkeyeJet on May 22, 2015 17:45:57 GMT -5
Of course he didn't. That's not convenient at all that now that the investigation is over and he comes out unscathed that this surfaces. Surely this isn't a ploy to distance himself from the fact he most certainly knew all about what was going on.
In other news, he didn't know Aaron Hernandez was a sociopath either.
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Post by JetBidi on May 22, 2015 17:48:57 GMT -5
Of course he didn't. That's not convenient at all that now that the investigation is over and he comes out unscathed that this surfaces. Surely this isn't a ploy to distance himself from the fact he most certainly knew all about what was going on. In other news, he didn't know Aaron Hernandez was a sociopath either. Exactly. Belicheat is one slimy character. Everything just slides right off of that bucket of ooze. |
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Post by Hotman on May 22, 2015 23:01:21 GMT -5
Of course he didn't. That's not convenient at all that now that the investigation is over and he comes out unscathed that this surfaces. Surely this isn't a ploy to distance himself from the fact he most certainly knew all about what was going on. In other news, he didn't know Aaron Hernandez was a sociopath either. Exactly. Belicheat is one slimy character. Everything just slides right off of that bucket of ooze.  |
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Post by cgjet on May 23, 2015 17:02:20 GMT -5
Interesting article about an NFL Official at the Deflate Gate game, with a Jets connection.
The New England Patriots and owner Robert Kraft are reportedly furious over what they consider to be key details that were omitted from the Deflategate report.
NFL vice president of game operations Mike Kensil was very involved with the Deflategate investigation from the start. He was present during the AFC Championship Game between the Patriots and Indianapolis Colts, and he was one of the people who received an email from Colts GM Ryan Grigson before the game informing him about the Patriots’ alleged tampering with game balls.
Shortly after the Deflategate scandal erupted, a report indicated that Kensil — who worked for the New York Jets for 20 years until 2006 — was the driving force behind the investigation. According to Greg Bedard of Sports Illustrated, Patriots officials claim Kensil walked up to equipment manager Dave Schoenfield at halftime and said, “We weighed the balls. You are in big f—ing trouble.”
Page 71 of the Wells report alludes to the conversation between Kensil and Schoenfield, though only to say that the two men have “different recollections of the precise sequence and content of the conversation.” Patriots officials basically feel that the exact content was important in showing that Kensil took joy in trying to catch them in the act.
Many of you likely view the exact language of the conversation as irrelevant, and that’s fine. Robert Kraft and the Patriots, however, insist that there were numerous details that would have shown bias from the league that were left out of the Wells report.
There is little arguing that the NFL owes an explanation for why the exact PSI of each ball wasn’t recorded before the game, especially since we now know that league officials were alerted before the game. Had the officials been ordered to log the exact PSI of each game ball, there would be all of this confusion about how much air pressure each ball lost.
Even if Tom Brady and the Patriots are guilty (and some of these text messages make it seem like they are), it’s hard to escape the feeling that the NFL chose to catch them in the act rather than warning New England and assuring a level playing field in a conference title game.
What people need to understand is that not all of the theories about Deflategate have to contradict each other. The Patriots could have cheated, the NFL could have run a sting operation to catch them, a former Jets employee (and others) could have had an axe to grind with them and Roger Goodell could have completely overreacted with his disciplinary action. That doesn’t make any of the aforementioned scenarios “right.”
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Post by TheMo on May 24, 2015 1:27:58 GMT -5
You know this whole idea that the patriots should have been warned is really fucking annoying. If the nfl thought they were cheating and wanted to randomly check in on them how is that any different than a random drug check. Cheating whores were caught in the act and all these media shits can talk about is why they should have been given an opportunity to cover it the fuck up. Here's a big shut you fat fucking pie whole to that bitch Peter King on si. Guy has been crying a fucking river ever since his butt buddies Kraft and Brady have been taking out back for their deserved ass kicking.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 24, 2015 12:43:50 GMT -5
it's not about who exactly ordered the ball boyz to deflate the footballs or how much to deflate them to. it is all about the suggestion that brady made to the guys and how they tried to do as he wished. the patsie morons all seem to think it wasn't cheating because the ball boys probably didn't use a pressure gage to measure the deflation. they probably asked how soft brady wanted his balls and did their best to comply. bellichicken had to know and so did mcdaniel. mcdaniel was a weasel in denver and he knows everything that's going on. so, imo, bellichicken didn't order it but he let it happen. brady didn't order it but he did empower the ball boys to deflate the his balls. it's pretty pathetic of brady not to realize the influence he had over those guys. karas and hornung were out for a season. brady needs more than 4 games. Only problem with that fucking stupid line of thinking is that the balls were up to NFL regulations at the start of the game when the refs initially check them. So why on earth if they played by the rules would two flunkies be allowed by the all knowing Patriots to take the approved balls into a bathroom and make changes? With or without a pressure gauge? |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 24, 2015 12:45:49 GMT -5
Of course he didn't. That's not convenient at all that now that the investigation is over and he comes out unscathed that this surfaces. Surely this isn't a ploy to distance himself from the fact he most certainly knew all about what was going on. In other news, he didn't know Aaron Hernandez was a sociopath either. Exactly. Belicheat is one slimy character. Everything just slides right off of that bucket of ooze. Gets and takes credit for being a HC who has his finger in every aspect of the team and game. Nothing good gets by him. When it comes to cheating and knowing the rules that have been broken by the Pats he either misunderstood them or wasnt aware. Great being Bill |
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on May 24, 2015 12:48:37 GMT -5
You know this whole idea that the patriots should have been warned is really fucking annoying. If the nfl thought they were cheating and wanted to randomly check in on them how is that any different than a random drug check. Cheating whores were caught in the act and all these media shits can talk about is why they should have been given an opportunity to cover it the fuck up. Here's a big shut you fat fucking pie whole to that bitch Peter King on si. Guy has been crying a fucking river ever since his butt buddies Kraft and Brady have been taking out back for their deserved ass kicking. Always keep in mind that the media, especially today with the overflow of 24/7 sports rely more than ever on players and coaches and teams for access. They need the programing help more than every and have to have a cool working relationship. If ESPN rips too hard into the Pats, Brady and Crazy Bill they'll put themselves in a rough spot when they want a Brady or any Pat interview. Its in their best interest to suggest they cheated, give the facts of how they cheated without actually going 100% in on the theory. And of course NFLN is a shill for the all perfect league. |
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Post by shootmenow on May 25, 2015 9:32:55 GMT -5
Why would Feely lie? He probably know Brady was treated special back then and couldn't do anything about it.
Tom Brady Cheating for 11 Years? A.J. Feeley Accuses Pats QB of Using 'Beat-Up' Ball in 2004 [VIDEO]
Greg Archuleta
By Greg Archuleta @geigasr
on May 14, 2015 08:01 AM EDT
Tom Brady
Tom Brady has been accused of using a broken-in football in 2004, before the NFL allowed teams to supply their own balls. (Photo : Getty Images)
Former NFL quarterback A.J. Feeley has a good memory.
Profootballtalk.nbcsports.com is reporting that Feeley, a six-year NFL veteran whose career spanned 2001-11, has accused New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady of doctoring footballs as long as 11 years ago.
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Feeley was a member of the Miami Dolphins in 2004 when he told 97.5 FM The Fanatic in Philadelphia that he saw Brady using an old, broken-in football when he was on the field. In 2004, the NFL mandated that teams had to use new balls provided by the league. It was two years later that the league allowed teams to provide their own footballs for use during games.
Brady and Peyton Manning were instrumental in getting the rule changed in 2006.
Bill Belidick somehow escapes punishment the Patriots and Tom Brady received over Deflategate
"Prior to Tommy and Peyton Manning going to the league and saying, 'Let us doctor our balls' we used to all play with the same balls," Feeley said. "Somehow this beat-up ball from the ball boy was getting thrown in on offense for New England, yet when we were on offense this orange brand new ball was getting thrown in."
Feeley felt that the doctored footballs gave Brady and advantage and admitting to being bothered by the discrepancy of the balls used.
"He's getting his own balls thrown in on offense," Feeley said. "That was an issue to me at the time. ... We saw it then."
Feeley said he told his defensive coaches but they said that the condition of the football "didn't really matter," which could explain why he didn't alert the officials when he saw it happen.
Profootballtalk.com talked about the convenient timing of Feeley's accusations only after Brady received a four-game suspension for his role in Deflategate -- the Patriots using underinflated balls during the first half of the AFC Championship Game against the Indianapolis Colts.
The Patriots won the game 45-7.
"If the Patriots were cheating to gain an advantage over the Dolphins in 2004, it's odd that no one said anything about it until 2015," profootballtalk.com reported. "Maybe no one said anything because they didn't think it was a big deal. This week the NFL showed that it thinks tampering with the footballs is a very big deal."
CBSSports.com also acknowledged the coincidental timing of Feeley's comments but noted that accusations of the Patriots cheating now has more than a decade-long shelf life.
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