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Post by Harrier on Dec 8, 2014 6:51:50 GMT -5
2 things today showed me a glimmer of 'hope' 1)After the opening play pick 6 he came back strong,didn't let it get him down and didn't get rattled....we saw him a few weeks back go into complete meltdown after a similar situation but today he showed some mental strength and character...these are baby steps but they are real and tangible 2)Chewed out TJ Graham late for running the wrong route that was a perfect replica of the Harvin TD had TJ executed the route properly....that was the kind of authoritative Fire that we see from guys P****n and B***y all the time....again it's marginal improvements but encouraging to see. Nobody is suggesting after today that we reevaluate the need to go after another QB but this is exactly why you play Nope the remainder of the season. It's pretty well documented I have supported Nope from the start and always wanted to give him a fair shake, but he lost me in that buffalo game and I don't think he's the answer regardless of yesterday. When protection holds up and he can plant his feet and step into his throws he looks good, although he has that high release issue. My biggest problem with him right now is what he's seeing and how he adapts, I rarely see him slide protection where it's needed or change the play based on what look he is having, what the fuck he was seeing on that INT yesterday I don't know. I know it's a collective redzone issue, but I'm questioning how he plays and what he sees on a short field, he seems to be a terrible redzone QB at goin through his progressions quickly and making the quick strike. He also pisses me off because he seems incapable of getting through a game without throwing an INT, he made a few nice throws to Harvin yesterday including the TD but again rarely comes up with a "wow" QB play that changes games. i still want us to pull the trigger on Mariota or Winston picking this high.
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Post by Fishooked on Dec 8, 2014 7:44:08 GMT -5
Ray, The problem is that Nope played average at best today and people think that is a good game... He did throw a pick 6... He did fail to get the team in the end zone from the Red Zone numerous times... He is a placeholder at best until we find a real QB! He didn't play average at best...
The pick 6 was brutal, but after that first play, he played about as well as he played all year, and probably even last year, it was a big jump for him, to deny this, you only have an agenda and you're seeing what you want to see...
We also lost the game by 6 points. Way to put your team in a hole on the road within the first 15 seconds.
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Post by em31 on Dec 8, 2014 8:47:58 GMT -5
I think the bar for G-Nope is so low at this point that he could quite possibly have a good game (for him), and yet he is still not the future and the team. Plus he does not get the win against one of the worst two or three teams in the league. The G-Nope experiment is done.
<Edited to add> Pretty damned funny that Ray of all people is accusing people of having an agenda and denying what their own eyes are telling them.
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Post by patman on Dec 8, 2014 8:50:58 GMT -5
He didn't suck yesterday, that is an improvement. Sims or Vick will never be the qb for the jets, Geno may be and should be given every opportunity for the rest of the year. However the OP stating he played well is a stretch, him playing better than he has been this year does not equate to playing well.
It was good to see that rex let him to continue to throw the ball more even after the pick 6. Apparently Rex, MM and Idzik must have come to some sort of a consensus.
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Post by rexneffect on Dec 8, 2014 11:31:50 GMT -5
G-Nope absolutely SHOULD be part of any equation at the QB position. I know he took a step back through the first 9 games, but if he finishes strong and plays like he did today the rest of the way, then things are looking up.
That's the same thing people said at the tail end of last season. He was playing better but then look where we are this season. He looks worse even now than he did at his best last season. I don't want to see how much worse he can get. Keep him as a backup because we have him on a cheap contract but there's no reason for that guy to be a starter. If you think the guy just needs time to develop then let him develop on the sidelines like most rookies do.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 8, 2014 11:36:58 GMT -5
G-Nope looked great today, which makes all of his previous games even more baffling. Just goes to show how much of a fucking idiot Rex is. The offensive gameplan against the Dolphins was some of the dumbest shit I've seen and set football back 50 years. Don't care if we almost ended up winning the game. After sitting on the bench for a month, let the kid show if he's learned anything. It's already a lost season. You aren't learning dick about him if you have him hand the ball off 49 times and only put it in the air 8 times through 58 1/2 minutes. Running the ball against the Fins was the game plan and made sense. If folk is feeling good and hits two short FGs the win and no one complains about the GP. What Geno was able to do against a miserable Vikes team has little to do with the fins. Unless youre saying that gameplanning shouldnt take the opposition into acct.
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Post by Touchable on Dec 8, 2014 11:40:20 GMT -5
Just goes to show how much of a fucking idiot Rex is. The offensive gameplan against the Dolphins was some of the dumbest shit I've seen and set football back 50 years. Don't care if we almost ended up winning the game. After sitting on the bench for a month, let the kid show if he's learned anything. It's already a lost season. You aren't learning dick about him if you have him hand the ball off 49 times and only put it in the air 8 times through 58 1/2 minutes. Running the ball against the Fins was the game plan and made sense. If folk is feeling good and hits two short FGs the win and no one complains about the GP. What G-Nope was able to do against a miserable Vikes team has little to do with the fins. Unless youre saying that gameplanning shouldnt take the opposition into acct. Running the ball against the Phins made sense, sure. But not running it 50 fucking times while only throwing it 8 times leading up to the final drive. As others have said, we might as well have trotted out Matt Simms if we were just going to hand the ball off 95% of the time.
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Post by Harrier on Dec 8, 2014 11:42:02 GMT -5
Just goes to show how much of a fucking idiot Rex is. The offensive gameplan against the Dolphins was some of the dumbest shit I've seen and set football back 50 years. Don't care if we almost ended up winning the game. After sitting on the bench for a month, let the kid show if he's learned anything. It's already a lost season. You aren't learning dick about him if you have him hand the ball off 49 times and only put it in the air 8 times through 58 1/2 minutes. Running the ball against the Fins was the game plan and made sense. If folk is feeling good and hits two short FGs the win and no one complains about the GP. What G-Nope was able to do against a miserable Vikes team has little to do with the fins. Unless youre saying that gameplanning shouldnt take the opposition into acct. No one is questioning a run heavy game plan against the fins, people are questioning the extremism of it, it's wrong to try and effectively play without a QB. If the Jets had won the ratio was still laughable.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 8, 2014 11:47:22 GMT -5
Running the ball against the Fins was the game plan and made sense. If folk is feeling good and hits two short FGs the win and no one complains about the GP. What G-Nope was able to do against a miserable Vikes team has little to do with the fins. Unless youre saying that gameplanning shouldnt take the opposition into acct. No one is questioning a run heavy game plan against the fins, people are questioning the extremism of it, it's wrong to try and effectively play without a QB. If the Jets had won the ratio was still laughable. My real point was that what they were able to do against the horrible Vikes has nothing to do with what they should have done against the fins. Running game was piling up yardage. Real problem was they should have used the first half success to open up play action when the fish countered with 9 in the box.
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Post by Harrier on Dec 8, 2014 11:53:46 GMT -5
No one is questioning a run heavy game plan against the fins, people are questioning the extremism of it, it's wrong to try and effectively play without a QB. If the Jets had won the ratio was still laughable. My real point was that what they were able to do against the horrible Vikes has nothing to do with what they should have done against the fins. Running game was piling up yardage. Real problem was they should have used the first half success to open up play action when the fish countered with 9 in the box. Exactly, so everyone is in agreement that the success of running the ball against the fins should have opened up more opportunities to pass the ball, yet terrible coaching made them persist running the ball into a loaded box. To be honest I think this is valid criticism of Rex and his staff, they set out a game plan yet never make in game alterations and adapt to what's happening right in front of them.
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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 8, 2014 12:00:11 GMT -5
FTR I like Rex but he has to go. It's time for a change but he gets way to much blame. There's this misconception that he ruined two QBs when really they just weren't any good. He has a lot of flaws that can't be overlooked but some of the shit he gets accused of here is laughable This is not chicken or the egg. Both parties are guilty here IMO. Sanchez/Geno just aren't that good, and Rex ruined them. Sanchez playing respectable enough kind of proves that we could have developed him into a somewhat decent starter if we didn't hand him over to a rookie DC/HC. Let's see how Geno looks next year in a new system(people will be upset but he will be on this roster next season, no doubt about it).
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Post by carlito1171 on Dec 8, 2014 12:02:17 GMT -5
Running the ball against the Fins was the game plan and made sense. If folk is feeling good and hits two short FGs the win and no one complains about the GP. What G-Nope was able to do against a miserable Vikes team has little to do with the fins. Unless youre saying that gameplanning shouldnt take the opposition into acct. Running the ball against the Phins made sense, sure. But not running it 50 fucking times while only throwing it 8 times leading up to the final drive. As others have said, we might as well have trotted out Matt Simms if we were just going to hand the ball off 95% of the time. That's the point people are missing when they point to Geno's putrid play as a result of the gameplan. Why trot him out there if that's the case?
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Post by thshadow on Dec 8, 2014 14:38:50 GMT -5
Turn the damn "Nope" filter off... No. If he plays like this the rest of the year? Maybe we will, but we make the rules here. No one thinks name calling is rather childish? Sheesh. It's one thing if individual posters want to mock players. At least you know where they stand. But for the board to require *everyone* to make fun of his name? I guess this is what it's like in a frat house? I was always a geek. I don't know how "cool" people act...
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Post by Jetworks on Dec 8, 2014 14:51:29 GMT -5
G-Nope absolutely SHOULD be part of any equation at the QB position. I know he took a step back through the first 9 games, but if he finishes strong and plays like he did today the rest of the way, then things are looking up.
That's the same thing people said at the tail end of last season. He was playing better but then look where we are this season. He looks worse even now than he did at his best last season. I don't want to see how much worse he can get. Keep him as a backup because we have him on a cheap contract but there's no reason for that guy to be a starter. If you think the guy just needs time to develop then let him develop on the sidelines like most rookies do. I still maintain that Vick was a negative influence on any development. No. If he plays like this the rest of the year? Maybe we will, but we make the rules here. No one thinks name calling is rather childish? Sheesh. It's one thing if individual posters want to mock players. At least you know where they stand. But for the board to require *everyone* to make fun of his name? I guess this is what it's like in a frat house? I was always a geek. I don't know how "cool" people act... If you meant "humorless geek" then I can see your point. I hardly think some light-hearted fun at the expense of a QB's name qualifies as "frat house", but whatever you say, Judge Smalls. Stick around long enough, maybe we'll let you sit at our table, too.
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Post by Fishooked on Dec 8, 2014 15:53:30 GMT -5
No. If he plays like this the rest of the year? Maybe we will, but we make the rules here. No one thinks name calling is rather childish? Sheesh. It's one thing if individual posters want to mock players. At least you know where they stand. But for the board to require *everyone* to make fun of his name? I guess this is what it's like in a frat house? I was always a geek. I don't know how "cool" people act... Of course it's childish, no one is disputing that. But this forum was not meant as a replacement for JI, far from it. If he plays as well as he the next remaining games, maybe we'll change it back. Until then, lighten up.
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