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Post by Fishooked on Aug 5, 2015 4:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by rexneffect on Aug 5, 2015 9:39:36 GMT -5
There are a few sites out there that have pulled some of the better pieces out of the transcript. 172 pages of transcript is not a very exciting read.
One gets the sense reading parts of the transcript that the NFL was made aware of the ball deflation quite a while ago and kept ignoring the issue until it became public, much in the same way it downplayed the domestic violence charges for various players until it became a public story. Had Indy news not broken the story about deflategate it is probable that Goodell sweeps it under the rug and goes about his business.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 5, 2015 11:01:15 GMT -5
From what his been excerpted on ESPN Tommy sounds like a total whining crybaby. He was asked by Wells to hand over his phone, refused to do so, but wasn't told it would be a problem if he didn't? ? Common, for reals??? Sure Wells would say "oh ok no problem tommy if you don't want to that's fine, just thought I'd ask and see what you'd say" ?? Common, who can take this seriously? We weren't warned of the rules in advance. OMG spaz the disingenuousness. So they could know in advance how to get around them, no doubt. And what rules of its own didn't hte NFL follow? If Goodell isn't the right person to "adjudicate" this, who could possibly be righter? So sick of this Patriot entitlement aura.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 5, 2015 11:03:13 GMT -5
There are a few sites out there that have pulled some of the better pieces out of the transcript. 172 pages of transcript is not a very exciting read. One gets the sense reading parts of the transcript that the NFL was made aware of the ball deflation quite a while ago and kept ignoring the issue until it became public, much in the same way it downplayed the domestic violence charges for various players until it became a public story. Had Indy news not broken the story about deflategate it is probable that Goodell sweeps it under the rug and goes about his business. The NFL/Rog really need to get their act together regarding how they deal with problems in their smelly house. It does give the Brady's et al a leg to stand on saying that their rule enforcement is inconsistent
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Post by rexneffect on Aug 5, 2015 13:03:34 GMT -5
The strength of the NFLPA's position is in the due process arguments that Brady was not made aware of all these rules and policies. The reason why is that if the NFL failed to put Brady on notice that the deflating and refusing to cooperate were violations of some disciplinary policy or rules of the game then it doesn't matter if Brady did all these things or if the punishment was reasonable. Under a CBA an employee cannot suffer disciplinary action for a policy he or she was unaware of or suffer disciplinary action of a type the employee was unaware could occur for such a violation. It's industrial due process.
There are some halfway decent arguments in favor of the NFLPA here. I'm not convinced by their arguments but maybe the NFL bungles this. I think the NFL ought to incorporate Brady's comments after the Ravens game as part of their defense to Brady's constant assertion that he just didn't know the rules:
"Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing..."
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 5, 2015 13:18:33 GMT -5
The strength of the NFLPA's position is in the due process arguments that Brady was not made aware of all these rules and policies. The reason why is that if the NFL failed to put Brady on notice that the deflating and refusing to cooperate were violations of some disciplinary policy or rules of the game then it doesn't matter if Brady did all these things or if the punishment was reasonable. Under a CBA an employee cannot suffer disciplinary action for a policy he or she was unaware of or suffer disciplinary action of a type the employee was unaware could occur for such a violation. It's industrial due process. There are some halfway decent arguments in favor of the NFLPA here. I'm not convinced by their arguments but maybe the NFL bungles this. I think the NFL ought to incorporate Brady's comments after the Ravens game as part of their defense to Brady's constant assertion that he just didn't know the rules: "Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing..." Isn't it the players responsibility to be aware of rules and policies? What's the NFL supposed to do, take all the players into a room and read the entire rule book to them while they prop their eyes open a la Clockwork Orange? Gack, it's actually starting to sound like Brady might get off or at least a penalty reduction due to the minorest quibble of a technicality
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Post by rexneffect on Aug 5, 2015 13:40:01 GMT -5
The strength of the NFLPA's position is in the due process arguments that Brady was not made aware of all these rules and policies. The reason why is that if the NFL failed to put Brady on notice that the deflating and refusing to cooperate were violations of some disciplinary policy or rules of the game then it doesn't matter if Brady did all these things or if the punishment was reasonable. Under a CBA an employee cannot suffer disciplinary action for a policy he or she was unaware of or suffer disciplinary action of a type the employee was unaware could occur for such a violation. It's industrial due process. There are some halfway decent arguments in favor of the NFLPA here. I'm not convinced by their arguments but maybe the NFL bungles this. I think the NFL ought to incorporate Brady's comments after the Ravens game as part of their defense to Brady's constant assertion that he just didn't know the rules: "Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing..." Isn't it the players responsibility to be aware of rules and policies? What's the NFL supposed to do, take all the players into a room and read the entire rule book to them while they prop their eyes open a la Clockwork Orange? Gack, it's actually starting to sound like Brady might get off or at least a penalty reduction due to the minorest quibble of a technicality No, the NFL has an obligation to provide the policies to the players and to prove the policies were provided. Some of the things Brady claims not to have received or been aware of is dubious at best and some of the specifics the NFLPA expects to receive are overly specific in a way no employment disciplinary policy would be. The NFL certainly has its work cut out for it.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 5, 2015 14:38:42 GMT -5
Isn't it the players responsibility to be aware of rules and policies? What's the NFL supposed to do, take all the players into a room and read the entire rule book to them while they prop their eyes open a la Clockwork Orange? Gack, it's actually starting to sound like Brady might get off or at least a penalty reduction due to the minorest quibble of a technicality No, the NFL has an obligation to provide the policies to the players and to prove the policies were provided. Some of the things Brady claims not to have received or been aware of is dubious at best and some of the specifics the NFLPA expects to receive are overly specific in a way no employment disciplinary policy would be. The NFL certainly has its work cut out for it. Of course the NFL has to provide the policies. All they have to do is hand them a binder copy with their contract, email it, or whatever. It's up to the player to read it. given your penultimate sentence I don't see how you can conclude with the NFL having its work cut out for it. It sounds like Brady and the players' assoc do. This is splitting hairs to the thinnest micron.
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Post by Slackjaw on Aug 5, 2015 16:46:27 GMT -5
The strength of the NFLPA's position is in the due process arguments that Brady was not made aware of all these rules and policies. The reason why is that if the NFL failed to put Brady on notice that the deflating and refusing to cooperate were violations of some disciplinary policy or rules of the game then it doesn't matter if Brady did all these things or if the punishment was reasonable. Under a CBA an employee cannot suffer disciplinary action for a policy he or she was unaware of or suffer disciplinary action of a type the employee was unaware could occur for such a violation. It's industrial due process. There are some halfway decent arguments in favor of the NFLPA here. I'm not convinced by their arguments but maybe the NFL bungles this. I think the NFL ought to incorporate Brady's comments after the Ravens game as part of their defense to Brady's constant assertion that he just didn't know the rules: "Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing..." The fact that sprakle peeny signed signed the angreement to have the CBA at all deems that he knew WTF he was signing. He is full o' crap.
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Post by Hotman on Aug 5, 2015 17:12:17 GMT -5
If he didn't know the rules, then why was HE the one who advocated for the rule changes years ago.
Fuck this punk ass. Just fuckin Ban him, Belicheat, Kraft and vacate those fucking losers.
So glad the refs will not be holding their hands anymore tho. Gotta think those days are over. That ALONE will go a LONG way in bringing them to .500 and below, Brady or not.
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Post by JetBidi on Aug 5, 2015 17:44:34 GMT -5
I can shorten the transcript for everyone here
Pg. 1 - 172: Lies, lies, more lies.
The End.
Conclusion: Brady is a LYING, CHEATING SACK OF SHIT
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Post by Hotman on Aug 5, 2015 17:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Aug 5, 2015 18:35:42 GMT -5
This is what I found about the restaurant he wanted to go to: "High-concept sushi & other Japanese plates crafted in swish, dramatically lit environs." TotalL LOLZZZ!!!
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Post by rexneffect on Aug 5, 2015 18:58:12 GMT -5
No, the NFL has an obligation to provide the policies to the players and to prove the policies were provided. Some of the things Brady claims not to have received or been aware of is dubious at best and some of the specifics the NFLPA expects to receive are overly specific in a way no employment disciplinary policy would be. The NFL certainly has its work cut out for it. Of course the NFL has to provide the policies. All they have to do is hand them a binder copy with their contract, email it, or whatever. It's up to the player to read it. given your penultimate sentence I don't see how you can conclude with the NFL having its work cut out for it. It sounds like Brady and the players' assoc do. This is splitting hairs to the thinnest micron. The problem is that the NFL didn't hand out all of the policies and what was handed out doesn't expressly address these circumstances. So it's up to the NFL to take what was given to the players and show that Brady was put on notice that deflating the balls and not complying with the investigation were violations of NFL rules that could make Brady subject to a suspension. The NFLPA has taken the position that everything that has happened was beyond the rules and punishment schedules provided. Some of it is outlandish. Some of it has a legitimate argument. All it really takes is for the judge to agree with one or two of those arguments and the suspension is at least cut down to a fine.
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Post by rangerous on Aug 5, 2015 20:11:56 GMT -5
The strength of the NFLPA's position is in the due process arguments that Brady was not made aware of all these rules and policies. The reason why is that if the NFL failed to put Brady on notice that the deflating and refusing to cooperate were violations of some disciplinary policy or rules of the game then it doesn't matter if Brady did all these things or if the punishment was reasonable. Under a CBA an employee cannot suffer disciplinary action for a policy he or she was unaware of or suffer disciplinary action of a type the employee was unaware could occur for such a violation. It's industrial due process. There are some halfway decent arguments in favor of the NFLPA here. I'm not convinced by their arguments but maybe the NFL bungles this. I think the NFL ought to incorporate Brady's comments after the Ravens game as part of their defense to Brady's constant assertion that he just didn't know the rules: "Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing..." bellichicken knows the rules. parcells knew the rules. brady knew the rules too. wasn't it the patsies who advocated for having teams supply their own game balls? what gets me is the patsies trolls are all over nfl initiating some kind of sting on the patsies and brady. the patsies, of course, ignore the simple fact that the balls in their possession were somehow deflated (and deflated beyond what the temperature change would have caused) and that the ball boys in question probably turned over. all brady has been doing is digging himself deeper and deeper. patsie conspiracy? is there a vast hillary type nfl conspiracy to get the patsies? hardly think so. the patsies may be hated for being successful but they are also respected (or were prior to spygate and now this). now they are just a bunch of hacks who have been cheating their way to the top. screw them and screw brady. they need to stop crying and [ut some big boy pants on. kraft especially.
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