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Post by Hotman on Dec 11, 2014 20:12:37 GMT -5
Hello everyone. First post here and I've noticed a lot of others from the JI message board which is nice to see. As far as this article and situation with Woody, it's scary to think there is a real possibility that he doesn't know what to do at the end of the year. IMO, I believe that HE thinks in his own perfect world, he'd prefer to keep Rex again and try another GM. I think when the dust settles, he'll clean house simply because of the fan reaction for this past month or so, but it's really out of his comfort zone to do something like this. He prefers the one scapegoat at a time method when things don't go well.Yes. He does. The half measures approach. And it doesn't work. It delays and delays and we end up with assholes like Bradway who seem to be able to keep their jobs with the horrific drafting of the past decade. Someone posted all the picks here recently, or maybe on JI. It was staggering. Gotta be some of the worst drafting in the NFL. Everything must go! Welcome to the raft bud
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Dec 11, 2014 20:18:31 GMT -5
Hello everyone. First post here and I've noticed a lot of others from the JI message board which is nice to see. As far as this article and situation with Woody, it's scary to think there is a real possibility that he doesn't know what to do at the end of the year. IMO, I believe that HE thinks in his own perfect world, he'd prefer to keep Rex again and try another GM. I think when the dust settles, he'll clean house simply because of the fan reaction for this past month or so, but it's really out of his comfort zone to do something like this. He prefers the one scapegoat at a time method when things don't go well. Welcome to the board
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Post by chrisjets23 on Dec 11, 2014 23:34:44 GMT -5
Hello everyone. First post here and I've noticed a lot of others from the JI message board which is nice to see. As far as this article and situation with Woody, it's scary to think there is a real possibility that he doesn't know what to do at the end of the year. IMO, I believe that HE thinks in his own perfect world, he'd prefer to keep Rex again and try another GM. I think when the dust settles, he'll clean house simply because of the fan reaction for this past month or so, but it's really out of his comfort zone to do something like this. He prefers the one scapegoat at a time method when things don't go well. Welcome to the board Thank you
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Post by chrisjets23 on Dec 11, 2014 23:37:52 GMT -5
Hello everyone. First post here and I've noticed a lot of others from the JI message board which is nice to see. As far as this article and situation with Woody, it's scary to think there is a real possibility that he doesn't know what to do at the end of the year. IMO, I believe that HE thinks in his own perfect world, he'd prefer to keep Rex again and try another GM. I think when the dust settles, he'll clean house simply because of the fan reaction for this past month or so, but it's really out of his comfort zone to do something like this. He prefers the one scapegoat at a time method when things don't go well.Yes. He does. The half measures approach. And it doesn't work. It delays and delays and we end up with assholes like Bradway who seem to be able to keep their jobs with the horrific drafting of the past decade. Someone posted all the picks here recently, or maybe on JI. It was staggering. Gotta be some of the worst drafting in the NFL. Everything must go! Welcome to the raft bud I appreciate it. I look forward to talking a lot of Jets and there will be a lot to talk about too in the upcoming weeks.
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Post by ftljetfan on Dec 12, 2014 13:34:35 GMT -5
Money and power talk. Wasn't Lazor gettin shit this year for offensive problems in Miami? Im against Woody giving anyone their 1st HC gig outside of Pep Hamilton, he needs to get his hand in his pocket and give a football man control to build aswell as coach. No one really knows how good Pep Hamilton really is. He had Luck in college and now has him in the pros. Same could be said about Gase in Denver. Any of us could be an OC with Peyton at QB. Look at what Lazor did with Tannehill this year. He was Nick Foles QB coach last year. Before that, he was at OR with Mariota. From what I have heard about him is that he is incredibly intelligent and detailed. He is one of the up and comers that is an offensive genius. We can go the retread route but it will all come down to what our offense looks like. With a distinct possibility of having a top 3 pick and it being a QB, we better have a staff that knows how to develop him.
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Post by ftljetfan on Dec 12, 2014 13:37:45 GMT -5
No one really knows how good Pep Hamilton really is. He had Luck in college and now has him in the pros. Same could be said about Gase in Denver. Any of us could be an OC with Peyton at QB. Look at what Lazor did with Tannehill this year. He was Nick Foles QB coach last year. Before that, he was at OR with Mariota. From what I have heard about him is that he is incredibly intelligent and detailed. He is one of the up and comers that is an offensive genius. We can go the retread route but it will all come down to what our offense looks like. With a distinct possibility of having a top 3 pick and it being a QB, we better have a staff that knows how to develop him.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 12, 2014 15:32:56 GMT -5
Better to sit on that money and play for the top pick, right? Look, it wasn't a matter of simply throwing money at players for the sake of doing so. John needed to fill holes and he didn't. Multiple holes. Simply waiting for next year doesn't cut it. Not when you have such a wide talent void and so much money that he did a great job in freeing. BTW, did you happen to notice some of the teams that were aggressive in FA? Patriots, Lions, Broncos, Eagles - all in first. Coincidence? They filled needs THIS year.
The point lost on many of you are these claims of his being "patient" when it doesn't accurately depict what happened. This word was carefully placed by some media sources (and quite possibly, Jets execs) as a so-called "strategy" when it was clear he couldn't sign anyone other than the husband of a country singer who desperately wanted to be in NY and a RT he had inside contact with. Again, it wasn't that John waited for prospects, it was that he swung and missed on them. Vontae Davis, Munnerlyn (waited too long), Donald Brown, Pettigrew, DRC, Jared Allen, Brandon Lefell (another he waited too long on), McCown - all of these players we later learn the Jets were coveting and were either stared down or not contacted until it was too late. We know that he refused to up his offer on Pettigrew when it was virtually the same as what the Lions offered (and subsequently forced his hand in the draft in the 2nd round), and either waited or likely low-balled the others to gain some sort of "value" that you speak of. I'm not hammering him on Revis as I believe this was owner-driven which is another topic.
Sorry, I just don't agree with the cases made by the Idzik apologists. John simply did not adapt to the speed of FA and was quite possibly disillusioned by the value of the Decker signing although that went deep into the night of his 2nd day visiting, not unlike CJ's deal. At this current rate of strategic efficiency, he will never attain a stocked roster. He's too obsessed with value. And this misses the mark entirely as FA's by definition are above market value when the reach FA. This is the one moment they have 32 teams vying for their employment and have their highest monetary leverage. Good luck "waiting" them out.
That anonymous GM hit the nail on the head. John doesn't have the balls for this job.
I think it's worth noting that the other ny team spent like crazy and solved nothing. I think if we weren't gonna spend big in free agency we should have been resigning our own players for the future. This isn't about the Giants. And I pointed to four division leading teams in my argument. And you make it sound like we lost players that should've been retained. If so, who? I don't believe this has happened and in fact, some re-treads that have been long-in-the-tooth are overdue for unloading as follows:
David Harris Calvin Pace Dawan Landry Willie Colon
Had John been more aggressive towards infusing new talent, some of these listed could've been replaced this past offseason.
Understand, your message isn't lost on me...I just don't agree that it was the correct approach for a team that first of all had to wait an entire season (Idzik's 1st year) due to being in cap hell from Tanny's bad contracts and once money had been freed, why would he simply wait? For what? Another year? And again for what? Basement bargains? Very often you get what you pay for - see Dmitri Patterson, see Cumberland, see Colon, see David Nelson. Mediocre talent, mediocre results.
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