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Post by HawkeyeJet on Sept 3, 2015 11:06:41 GMT -5
We all hate Brady but God damn this is funny.
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Post by rexneffect on Sept 3, 2015 11:08:20 GMT -5
I don't entirely disagree with the opinion but there's a few problems that leaves it exposed for appeal.
The greatest issue that cuts in Brady's favor is the weak wording in the Paul, Weiss report and the NFL's subsequent letters that give birth to the "general awareness" argument. However, Judge Berman is ignoring the rest of the documents by stopping the NFL's argument off at Brady's general awareness. Essentially that reading rewards Brady for destroying the phone and not cooperating. Had the NFL more strongly asserted the failure to cooperate was not just an independent violation but strongly inferred involvement then this argument, like those balls, would have been deflated.
The greatest problem with the opinion is that it deflates the "conduct detrimental" language in the CBA to the point that it's eliminated from the agreement. The judge hinges his opinion here on the law of the shop but takes it to the extreme. It has the conclusion that because no player has been punished under this policy or for this type of infraction that a player could never know what punishments may lie from that policy so the conduct detrimental policy is voided by the law of the shop. Again the NFL could have preempted this argument in earlier documents with more forceful language but like most of its player discipline it did a poor job. The NFL really needs to appeal this issue to preserve the policy. I'm not sure the NFL will. I don't see the NFL wanting to drag out deflategate into the new season.
We may have to take satisfaction in Brady not having his deflated balls to throw and his time as the untouchable QB with the zebra is probably done.
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Post by jetstream23 on Sept 3, 2015 11:09:33 GMT -5
Here come all the appeals now!
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Post by southside on Sept 3, 2015 11:13:02 GMT -5
This judge fucked up but so did the NFL and clearly Brady is guilty just like OJ was guilty.
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Post by jetstream23 on Sept 3, 2015 11:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by frostlich on Sept 3, 2015 11:14:54 GMT -5
I hope the dope "inflator" equipment guy that was fired now extorts the shit out of Brady and Kraft or tells the real story.
Should be open season on the cocksucker Brady but it wont be. I now hate the NFLPA. Dont whine about the owners and CBA until you take a real stand on something like concussions...not bullshit like this.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 3, 2015 11:22:48 GMT -5
I don't entirely disagree with the opinion but there's a few problems that leaves it exposed for appeal. The greatest issue that cuts in Brady's favor is the weak wording in the Paul, Weiss report and the NFL's subsequent letters that give birth to the "general awareness" argument. However, Judge Berman is ignoring the rest of the documents by stopping the NFL's argument off at Brady's general awareness. Essentially that reading rewards Brady for destroying the phone and not cooperating. Had the NFL more strongly asserted the failure to cooperate was not just an independent violation but strongly inferred involvement then this argument, like those balls, would have been deflated. The greatest problem with the opinion is that it deflates the "conduct detrimental" language in the CBA to the point that it's eliminated from the agreement. The judge hinges his opinion here on the law of the shop but takes it to the extreme. It has the conclusion that because no player has been punished under this policy or for this type of infraction that a player could never know what punishments may lie from that policy so the conduct detrimental policy is voided by the law of the shop. Again the NFL could have preempted this argument in earlier documents with more forceful language but like most of its player discipline it did a poor job. The NFL really needs to appeal this issue to preserve the policy. I'm not sure the NFL will. I don't see the NFL wanting to drag out deflategate into the new season. We may have to take satisfaction in Brady not having his deflated balls to throw and his time as the untouchable QB with the zebra is probably done. Like I said elsewhere this whole thing was just Kabuki to make us think something was really gonna happen. Or to keep the NFL in the news all offseason long. Bad publicity is better than no publicity. Tommy's status as the golden boy of the refs would have naturally diminished by now anyway as he ages out of that position with or without this "scandal " to help it along
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2015 11:23:57 GMT -5
Basically, based on past testimonials of older QBs, deflating footballs wasn't penalized until Tom Brady, but the commissioner didn't announce his enforcement of the law until after the Colts told on Tom Brady. A formal announcement to enforce air pressure in balls should have been announced before they decided to enforce it. That's what the judge is saying. It's kind of like if you were to get a ticket for jaywalking or speeding 1 MPH over the limit. It's understandable that the NFL lost this case.
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Post by Can'tGetEnoughJizzInMyMouth on Sept 3, 2015 11:42:13 GMT -5
That will teach Goodell to fuck with with the GOAT. I can't wait for Brady and the Pats scorched earth policy this year. Especially the Colts game. Can you say ass-raped?
Going to be a fun ride......
PS.
Enough with the hate ladies. Sit back and enjoy the greatness of Tom Brady. Someday you'll tell you grand kids that you witnessed the legend....
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Post by JetBidi on Sept 3, 2015 11:42:58 GMT -5
Soo close, but that fucker didn't even get a fine for non-cooperation.
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Post by JetBidi on Sept 3, 2015 11:46:55 GMT -5
That will teach Goodell to fuck with with the GOAT. I can't wait for Brady and the Pats scorched earth policy this year. Especially the Colts game. Can you say ass-raped? Going to be a fun ride...... PS. Enough with the hate ladies. Sit back and enjoy the greatness of Tom Brady. Someday you'll tell you grand kids that you witnessed the legend.... The Flats* are going to burn down opponents stadiums causing them to forfeit now? Wouldn't put it past them at all. Probably doesn't say anything about punishments for doing that in the NFL rule book so they'll probably get away with it too.
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Post by rexneffect on Sept 3, 2015 12:02:30 GMT -5
I don't entirely disagree with the opinion but there's a few problems that leaves it exposed for appeal. The greatest issue that cuts in Brady's favor is the weak wording in the Paul, Weiss report and the NFL's subsequent letters that give birth to the "general awareness" argument. However, Judge Berman is ignoring the rest of the documents by stopping the NFL's argument off at Brady's general awareness. Essentially that reading rewards Brady for destroying the phone and not cooperating. Had the NFL more strongly asserted the failure to cooperate was not just an independent violation but strongly inferred involvement then this argument, like those balls, would have been deflated. The greatest problem with the opinion is that it deflates the "conduct detrimental" language in the CBA to the point that it's eliminated from the agreement. The judge hinges his opinion here on the law of the shop but takes it to the extreme. It has the conclusion that because no player has been punished under this policy or for this type of infraction that a player could never know what punishments may lie from that policy so the conduct detrimental policy is voided by the law of the shop. Again the NFL could have preempted this argument in earlier documents with more forceful language but like most of its player discipline it did a poor job. The NFL really needs to appeal this issue to preserve the policy. I'm not sure the NFL will. I don't see the NFL wanting to drag out deflategate into the new season. We may have to take satisfaction in Brady not having his deflated balls to throw and his time as the untouchable QB with the zebra is probably done. Like I said elsewhere this whole thing was just Kabuki to make us think something was really gonna happen. Or to keep the NFL in the news all offseason long. Bad publicity is better than no publicity. Tommy's status as the golden boy of the refs would have naturally diminished by now anyway as he ages out of that position with or without this "scandal " to help it along Not sure I agree. The NFL could have easily given us another summer of Tebow. After Ray Rice the league needs some positive coverage. This wasn't it. Most people outside of NE think the last super bowl was tainted. If anything I think the NFL sunk itself to keep the impact of the deflating to the colts game where it had no discernable impact rather than the apparent multiple season scheme.
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Post by JetBidi on Sept 3, 2015 12:04:13 GMT -5
This article sums it up correctly.
Judge's ruling doesn't mean Tom Brady is innocent, it means the NFL failed in Deflategate USA Today Sports Chris Chase 2 hrs ago
Judge Richard Berman officially caved Thursday morning when he nullified the NFL’s four-game suspension of Tom Brady, giving into legalese and semantics and proving that the sun always shines on the Golden Boy, now matter how tarnished that image may now be.
Just because one thing is true doesn’t mean another isn’t, which is a good rule to remember when looking at Deflategate. Everything the NFL did in this controversy was a mess. It started with the leaked and erroneous reports to ESPN about the massive deflation of 11 of the 12 AFC footballs, then to the poor handling of the Wells Report that ensured it would never be viewed as independent and was capped by Roger Goodell’s cocksure demeanor and his projected belief that his word was etched into stone, unable to be overturned by any entity.
But just because the NFL office is a circus set inside a skyscraper doesn’t obstruct from the larger point: Tom Brady either tried to cheat, did cheat or covered up information about his attempts to cheat. It’s likely the first one happened, you can debate the second and the third is undeniable — even Brady’s lawyer said so. Throw out all the lawyer-speak and that’s what it boils down to. At worst, Brady’s four-game suspension should have been upheld. At best, he destroyed evidence and still deserved one game or two.
Now, because common sense plays no part in the judicial system or in the NFL’s way of conducting business, Brady is off the hook for something he likely did. He got off on technicalities and the NFL’s incompetence, not because he’s innocent. And now, the NFL, through large fault of its own, is stuck between appealing a decision that benefits one of its greatest stars or dragging out a story that’s been dragged out enough.
Brady cheated. He deserved four games. But it’s time to let it go, NFL.
You lost. He won.
Again.
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Post by southside on Sept 3, 2015 12:20:04 GMT -5
It's sad but it's true. In America, cheaters will always prosper.
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Post by The Tax Returns Are in Kenya on Sept 3, 2015 12:20:05 GMT -5
That will teach Goodell to fuck with with the GOAT. I can't wait for Brady and the Pats scorched earth policy this year. Especially the Colts game. Can you say ass-raped? Going to be a fun ride...... PS. Enough with the hate ladies. Sit back and enjoy the greatness of Tom Brady. Someday you'll tell you grand kids that you witnessed the legend.... The Flats* are going to burn down opponents stadiums causing them to forfeit now? Wouldn't put it past them at all. Probably doesn't say anything about punishments for doing that in the NFL rule book so they'll probably get away with it too. is there a rule anywhere that says you can't kidnap the opposing team's coach on Saturday night, get him drunk then drive him out to the middle of the desert blindfolded and hogtied? No? OK maybe there is, but it doesn't say what the punishment is, right? Or what about flooding the other team's locker room with tear gas at half time? Or, or or
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