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Post by Bavarian on Dec 15, 2014 0:20:08 GMT -5
It's fantastic that he's playing well in Week 15. But then it makes you wonder why he wasn't playing at all in Weeks 1-14. Especially when he had a very good preseason. I suppose we are evaluating Calvin Pace to see what we have. Jason Babin is another young player I'm glad we are taking an extended look at. That's a good point. Don't we see "promise" from Coples every year at this time? It's what led the Jets to selecting Richardson. A new regime will cut him if he doesn't produce early next season but alas, it will be a contract year, no?
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 15, 2014 0:20:28 GMT -5
It's fantastic that he's playing well in Week 15. But then it makes you wonder why he wasn't playing at all in Weeks 1-14. Especially when he had a very good preseason. I suppose we are evaluating Calvin Pace to see what we have. Jason Babin is another young player I'm glad we are taking an extended look at. Double post.
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Post by vin on Dec 15, 2014 0:24:18 GMT -5
Screw them! Both IK and Coples played major roles in the Jets losing out on Mariotta. bah.
Where was this performance when the games mattered? (I'm looking more at Coples than IK)
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Post by chrisjets23 on Dec 15, 2014 0:42:56 GMT -5
Yup, because Rex tried to copycat Coples to what he did with Adelius Thomas back in Balt. Square pegs into round holes type of head coach. Yeah, well I can't blame him. If anyone saw Coples in the Senior Bowl he was a man among boys and was getting sacks very easily playing DE. This just hasn't translated at the 3-4 OLB position. I think yesterday showed us he's better at 3-4 DE even at his diminished playing weight (I'm not sure why). That could make Mo expendable if the 3-4 is retained with the new regime and give that new staff some options with Mo being trade bait. Of course, Mo could also be out if a 4-3 were in place as well with Coples obviously being a better fit at 4-3 DE and Harrison/Richardson being the DT's (you want one run-stuffer). And I've heard the argument that Mo could play 4-3 DE but I don't buy that at all.
I mention this all because the onus will now be on improving the team across the board. It's a very unbalanced team lacking in talent overall at many positions. It's in need of an overhaul and without having a chance to get one of the 2 QB's, it's time to strengthen the team for the next one that comes along in 2016 perhaps. Harris is old, Pace is old and if Coples isn't a LB, we are woefully short at that position and overloaded on the DLine. Seems to me that a switch to a 4-3 is in order to fit the talent.
Bottom line: the Jets need players and that should be the focus before we are able to get a QB. Like it or not, the Geno experiment has set the team back years and they can no longer place band-aids in place and win in spite of him. This means trying to trade back with our 1st rounder if there are takers and trade any assets you can afford to. The Titan game clearly illustrates that this team needs more young playmakers before we compete for the playoffs.
I've seen a lot of pained posts fearing we can't now get Amari Cooper. He's a good WR but I really don't see that much of a dropoff from the next tier of WR's in this draft. Trade back, Jets, if you can. We need more than just Cooper. That's my mantra from here on out.
Yup, it will now all depend on the new regime coming in and how they'll look to build the team. There is no doubt that this team has more holes than strengths. It's amazing how they've put so many resources on building the secondary over the past couple of years and yet still it needs to be blown up and started from scratch. As far as the D-Line goes, I do think it's more suited now for a 4-3. Coples has shown flashes when he's a down lineman. He's actually better on the inside for some reason, from what I've noticed. I don't disagree with your point about Mo, a possible sign and trade. Whoever comes in has got to keep an open mind, and our owner does too.
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Post by suprjet on Dec 15, 2014 16:46:49 GMT -5
Coples was impressive yesterday on the edge. He took Locker out of the game likely for the remainder season. He's had some plays this year that wade me say wow he's a beast like almost killing MJD. I think he's playing out of position -- DE in a 4-3 alignment is his best position in the pros. This is why he will be a building block next to Sheldon when we have a new coaching staff.
If Idzik stays I'm pretty certain he'll bring a coach that runs the 4-3. That explains the Sheldon pick to me. He never took him to play DE in 3-4. He's a pure inside pass rusher 3-tech DT.
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Post by Jet Nut Sauce on Dec 15, 2014 16:52:43 GMT -5
Same thing every year. No matter what position he's used in he flashes and experts bash Rwx and the coaching staff for miss using him. It's just a different group of Internet defensive geniuses who know why he sucked as a OLB than the ones who knew why he sucked as a lineman.
It's never the players fault around here, it's always a coach or coordinator.
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Post by Bavarian on Dec 15, 2014 17:01:11 GMT -5
Coples was impressive yesterday on the edge. He took Locker out of the game likely for the remainder season. He's had some plays this year that wade me say wow he's a beast like almost killing MJD. I think he's playing out of position -- DE in a 4-3 alignment is his best position in the pros. This is why he will be a building block next to Sheldon when we have a new coaching staff. If Idzik stays I'm pretty certain he'll bring a coach that runs the 4-3. That explains the Sheldon pick to me. He never took him to play DE in 3-4. He's a pure inside pass rusher 3-tech DT. I don't think he selected Sheldon to run a 4-3 three years later. He already had Mo to play the DT position opposite the NT (Richardson) if he really wanted to run a 4-3 several years later, which sounds like a real stretch to me. If you recall, the pick was explained (whether you believe it or not) as the team felt Coples was playing so well after switching to 3-4 OLB the last 4 games that they needed someone new to play Coples original position of 3-4 DE. Beyond that, people tend to forget about the fact that we had just lost DeVito to FA not to mention Pouha - there was a true need for another DLineman. But no one saw it coming. They should have. Ever since that pick was made, fans were suspicious. And everyone concluded that John and this pick were all about BPA, BPA! Not the case. It was a need. There are no BPA picks in the 1st. Sorry, kids. That's a myth.
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Post by RobR on Dec 15, 2014 18:12:01 GMT -5
Same thing every year. No matter what position he's used in he flashes and experts bash Rwx and the coaching staff for miss using him. It's just a different group of Internet defensive geniuses who know why he sucked as a OLB than the ones who knew why he sucked as a lineman. It's never the players fault around here, it's always a coach or coordinator. Maybe you could be so kind and let us know what YOU think of Coples? Is he a complete bust, can he play at different compete levels if used at different positions? Please enlighten us Internet defensive geniuses with your thoughts.
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Post by kentuckyjet on Dec 16, 2014 14:11:31 GMT -5
not playing kids like Ik is a very disturbing characteristic of WRECKS. I thought the guy showed quite well vs The Titans. I am tired of Pace. I'd also love to see what Dozier has for us. Colon is a penalty waiting to happen.
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Post by woody56 on Dec 18, 2014 16:24:23 GMT -5
Really like IK Enemkpali. One thing I hate about Rex is his stubbornness of playing his guys, Pace and Babin are both at the end of their careers and have no future here and IK showed more in 12 snaps last week, then they have for most of the season. Had 2 PD's and a sack that was taken away by another waste of space, Kyle Burnt Toast Wilson. PFF had him as our second highest ranked player vs the Titans. Here he is just annihilating Chance Warmack on a bullrush. gfycat.com/PrestigiousValuableBlackmamba Dude is a powerhouse.
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