Post by kentuckyjet on Dec 16, 2014 5:41:23 GMT -5
Winston & Mariota- No Sure Things- NY DAILY NEWS
NY Jets may miss out on Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston, but they're no sure things
Right now, with the April 30 draft 135 days away, Mariota and Winston would go to the first two teams needing quarterbacks, which means they’d be taken by the Bucs and Titans without the Jets getting near them.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, December 15, 2014, 11:19 PM
Even when the Jets win, they lose. Their victory over the Titans on Sunday improved their record to 3-11 and with the Bucs, Titans, Jaguars and Raiders at 2-12 and at the moment owning the first four picks in the 2015 draft with Washington (3-11) holding the tiebreaker over the Jets for the fifth spot, the Jets chance of getting Oregon’s Heisman winner Marcus Mariota or Florida State’s Jameis Winston at No. 6 is a real longshot.
The order at the top of the draft can change in the last two weeks of the season – the Titans play a huge game at the Jaguars on Thursday night – but it looks like Rex Ryan’s going-away/holiday present to Jets fans will be the victory in Nashville that ensures the team continues to suffer at quarterback.
There is one bit of good news to the Jets winning on Sunday: Mariota and Winston are not can’t-miss prospects. There are questions how Mariota’s skill set in Oregon’s spread offense will translate into the NFL.
One scout compared him to Robert Griffin III and Johnny Manziel, which he did not intend as a compliment.
Winston has had all kinds of off-field problems and one scout said Monday, “He doesn’t have the character to make it in New York.” On the field, one source compared him to Ben Roethlisberger.
Right now, with the April 30 draft 135 days away, Mariota and Winston would go to the first two teams needing quarterbacks, which means they’d be taken by the Bucs and Titans without the Jets getting near them.
But if the Jaguars, who drafted Blake Bortles in the first round this year, or the Raiders, who drafted Derek Carr in the second round this year, finish with the first or second pick, it would give the Jets an opportunity to make a trade to move up. It’s hard to imagine Washington taking a QB in the first round, despite RG III’s struggles, just three years after giving up three first-round picks and a second-round pick to move up to get him.
There’s the possibility Mariota or Winston can fall to the Jets. But if they were to get past the Bucs and Titans, who are desperate for an elite quarterback, that would signal red flags that might make the Jets pass on them, too.
Remember, a lot can change between now and the draft. Two years ago at this time, it was expected that Geno Smith was going to be the overall first pick. By the time NFL teams had finished evaluating him at the combine, working him out and interviewing him, he slipped to the seventh pick in the second round, with the Jets taking him No. 39 overall.
Here’s the definition of luck: In 1996, the Colts made the playoffs. In 1997, they were 3-13, giving them the first pick in the ’98 draft. They took Peyton Manning. He was nine-for-nine making the playoffs in his last nine seasons in Indy, never winning fewer than 10 games and making it to two Super Bowls and winning one.
He missed the entire 2011 season after his fourth neck surgery and the Colts were 2-14. They cut Manning after the season and drafted Andrew Luck with the overall No. 1 pick. He was the best QB prospect since Manning and is three-for-three making the playoffs.
Think about it: The Colts are bad for one year and they transition right from Manning to Luck.
Jameis Winston always seems to have controversy following him, making the 2013 Heisman Trophy winner a risky pick.
The Jets had the No. 1 pick in 1996 and took wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson. No QBs were taken in the first round. In ’97, the Jets had the first pick again, but Manning elected to stay at Tennessee for his final season and Bill Parcells traded down.
The history of Heisman winning QBs in the Super Bowl era has been miserable. Roger Staubach and Jim Plunkett are the only two to win titles and Vinny Testaverde made it to the AFC Championship Game. Most of the others had disappointing pro careers.
Heisman trophies don’t go to the best NFL prospect. They go to the best college player. Mariota has been sensational, but he plays out of the shotgun in Oregon’s spread offense. “No quarterback fails in that system,” one scout said.
He is concerned how Mariota would perform in a pro style offense, where he’d have to drop back.
One scout considers Winston the better pro prospect.
“It’s not even close,” he said.
Winston is going to have to answer a lot of questions before any team is comfortable making the investment in him. “If you divorce from the off the field stuff, Jameis is pretty damn good,” another scout said. “He’s got great football instincts.”
It’s the Jets luck, of course, that they’re having what could tie for the second worst season in franchise history, but still not be bad enough to get one of the two best quarterbacks.
NY Jets may miss out on Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston, but they're no sure things
Right now, with the April 30 draft 135 days away, Mariota and Winston would go to the first two teams needing quarterbacks, which means they’d be taken by the Bucs and Titans without the Jets getting near them.
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Monday, December 15, 2014, 11:19 PM
Even when the Jets win, they lose. Their victory over the Titans on Sunday improved their record to 3-11 and with the Bucs, Titans, Jaguars and Raiders at 2-12 and at the moment owning the first four picks in the 2015 draft with Washington (3-11) holding the tiebreaker over the Jets for the fifth spot, the Jets chance of getting Oregon’s Heisman winner Marcus Mariota or Florida State’s Jameis Winston at No. 6 is a real longshot.
The order at the top of the draft can change in the last two weeks of the season – the Titans play a huge game at the Jaguars on Thursday night – but it looks like Rex Ryan’s going-away/holiday present to Jets fans will be the victory in Nashville that ensures the team continues to suffer at quarterback.
There is one bit of good news to the Jets winning on Sunday: Mariota and Winston are not can’t-miss prospects. There are questions how Mariota’s skill set in Oregon’s spread offense will translate into the NFL.
One scout compared him to Robert Griffin III and Johnny Manziel, which he did not intend as a compliment.
Winston has had all kinds of off-field problems and one scout said Monday, “He doesn’t have the character to make it in New York.” On the field, one source compared him to Ben Roethlisberger.
Right now, with the April 30 draft 135 days away, Mariota and Winston would go to the first two teams needing quarterbacks, which means they’d be taken by the Bucs and Titans without the Jets getting near them.
But if the Jaguars, who drafted Blake Bortles in the first round this year, or the Raiders, who drafted Derek Carr in the second round this year, finish with the first or second pick, it would give the Jets an opportunity to make a trade to move up. It’s hard to imagine Washington taking a QB in the first round, despite RG III’s struggles, just three years after giving up three first-round picks and a second-round pick to move up to get him.
There’s the possibility Mariota or Winston can fall to the Jets. But if they were to get past the Bucs and Titans, who are desperate for an elite quarterback, that would signal red flags that might make the Jets pass on them, too.
Remember, a lot can change between now and the draft. Two years ago at this time, it was expected that Geno Smith was going to be the overall first pick. By the time NFL teams had finished evaluating him at the combine, working him out and interviewing him, he slipped to the seventh pick in the second round, with the Jets taking him No. 39 overall.
Here’s the definition of luck: In 1996, the Colts made the playoffs. In 1997, they were 3-13, giving them the first pick in the ’98 draft. They took Peyton Manning. He was nine-for-nine making the playoffs in his last nine seasons in Indy, never winning fewer than 10 games and making it to two Super Bowls and winning one.
He missed the entire 2011 season after his fourth neck surgery and the Colts were 2-14. They cut Manning after the season and drafted Andrew Luck with the overall No. 1 pick. He was the best QB prospect since Manning and is three-for-three making the playoffs.
Think about it: The Colts are bad for one year and they transition right from Manning to Luck.
Jameis Winston always seems to have controversy following him, making the 2013 Heisman Trophy winner a risky pick.
The Jets had the No. 1 pick in 1996 and took wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson. No QBs were taken in the first round. In ’97, the Jets had the first pick again, but Manning elected to stay at Tennessee for his final season and Bill Parcells traded down.
The history of Heisman winning QBs in the Super Bowl era has been miserable. Roger Staubach and Jim Plunkett are the only two to win titles and Vinny Testaverde made it to the AFC Championship Game. Most of the others had disappointing pro careers.
Heisman trophies don’t go to the best NFL prospect. They go to the best college player. Mariota has been sensational, but he plays out of the shotgun in Oregon’s spread offense. “No quarterback fails in that system,” one scout said.
He is concerned how Mariota would perform in a pro style offense, where he’d have to drop back.
One scout considers Winston the better pro prospect.
“It’s not even close,” he said.
Winston is going to have to answer a lot of questions before any team is comfortable making the investment in him. “If you divorce from the off the field stuff, Jameis is pretty damn good,” another scout said. “He’s got great football instincts.”
It’s the Jets luck, of course, that they’re having what could tie for the second worst season in franchise history, but still not be bad enough to get one of the two best quarterbacks.
